(OG Anunoby trade) - Who do the NOP value more: Herb Jones or Trey Murphy

[MessiahUjiri]

We’ve had a few different threads on Anunoby to the Pelicans. It would indeed be a great boost if NOP thinks they want to go in for a championship, given how open the west looks this year, and with Zion being healthy.


Who do they value more? Herb Jones or Trey Murphy?


A deal I keep coming back to is this framework:

Dyson Daniels
Trey Murphy or Herb Jones (NOP choice)
Devonte Graham
Jaxson Hayes

for

OG Anunoby
Khem Birch or Thad Young or Otto Porter (NOP choice)
Juancho Hernangomez or Malachi Flynn


Trey Murphy is a better shooter, Herb Jones a better defender. OG Anunoby is better at offense and defense than both of them, and comes with proven playoff experience. And there’s likely a bidding war where they are competing against other teams.



From a Raps pov, I think we prefer Trey Murphy, cause we need shooters. But what do you guys think? Would love to hear the NOP and the unbiased views.

[Colbinii]

This has been beaten to death. New Orleans isn't trading 2 rotation players [two of which are extremely young] for OG when they can offer a platter of picks.

This is not something New Orleans considers. Instead, they will offer 2-3 1sts [including Lakers picks].

[ADMVP]

You aren't getting both Dyson and Trey or Herb. I wouldn't trade one for OG right now. I don't believe we're a move away from a ring yet and we already have defensive wings on rookie deals.

[Texas Chuck]

This has been beaten to death. New Orleans isn't trading 2 rotation players [two of which are extremely young] for OG when they can offer a platter of picks.

This is not something New Orleans considers. Instead, they will offer 2-3 1sts [including Lakers picks].

This might be the path the Pels would prefer. But I'm not sure they could sell the Raptors on that. And if I'm the Pels and I'm adding OG, I would rather give up a young wing whose role just got reduced over the future Lakers pick I think. And who knows by the deadline, maybe this year Lakers' pick as well.

Not sure I'd agree its as simple as just offer picks and get OG.

[Helsbyte]

I don't see how you would be able to get OG without one of Jones, Murphy, or Daniels not added to the deal.

[Duffman100]

I don't see how you would be able to get OG without one of Jones, Murphy, or Daniels not added to the deal.

Yeah you really wouldn't be able to.

[Wolveswin]

I think the deal is:

A) Choose one of Daniels (least likely), Murphy or Jones
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B) Draft Capital depending on who is chosen above (less sexy for Daniels more sexy for Murphy or Jones (mainly because they are OG-lite))
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C) Choose 1 or both flyer (change of scenery) guys Hayes or KLJ
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D) Salary filler as needed

[Thaddy]

How does Herb Jones get All defense 1st team over OG Anunoby? These awards seem like they weigh the national narrative pretty heavily. OG was getting screwed in Toronto because the "analysts" don't watch the Raptors. I bet a bunch of posters will say "Herb is better! He got All Defense FIRST team." The awards don't mean much anymore, just look at who has the vote. A majority of those guys are glorified fans that shouldn't be anywhere near the front office.

[Godaddycurse]

How does Herb Jones get All defense 1st team over OG Anunoby? These awards seem like they weigh the national narrative pretty heavily. OG was getting screwed in Toronto because the "analysts" don't watch the Raptors. I bet a bunch of posters will say "Herb is better! He got All Defense FIRST team." The awards don't mean much anymore, just look at who has the vote. A majority of those guys are glorified fans that shouldn't be anywhere near the front office.

OG didnt play 65 games last year

[Thaddy]

How does Herb Jones get All defense 1st team over OG Anunoby? These awards seem like they weigh the national narrative pretty heavily. OG was getting screwed in Toronto because the "analysts" don't watch the Raptors. I bet a bunch of posters will say "Herb is better! He got All Defense FIRST team." The awards don't mean much anymore, just look at who has the vote. A majority of those guys are glorified fans that shouldn't be anywhere near the front office.

OG didnt play 65 games last year

The year before that you have Mobley, Caruso, and JJJ over him for the first team.

[Colbinii]

How does Herb Jones get All defense 1st team over OG Anunoby? These awards seem like they weigh the national narrative pretty heavily. OG was getting screwed in Toronto because the "analysts" don't watch the Raptors. I bet a bunch of posters will say "Herb is better! He got All Defense FIRST team." The awards don't mean much anymore, just look at who has the vote. A majority of those guys are glorified fans that shouldn't be anywhere near the front office.

OG didnt play 65 games last year

The year before that you have Mobley, Caruso, and JJJ over him for the first team.

That's because 2023 was the last year they did positions for All-Defensive NBA.

In 2024 they started doing position less, which is why 4 C/PF are on the team.

It knows to know

[Thaddy]

OG didnt play 65 games last year

The year before that you have Mobley, Caruso, and JJJ over him for the first team.

That's because 2023 was the last year they did positions for All-Defensive NBA.

In 2024 they started doing position less, which is why 4 C/PF are on the team.

It knows to know

Players that make all star games due to injuries to those picked before them are viewed as undeserving. The same applies here.

[Scoot McGroot]

How does Herb Jones get All defense 1st team over OG Anunoby? These awards seem like they weigh the national narrative pretty heavily. OG was getting screwed in Toronto because the "analysts" don't watch the Raptors. I bet a bunch of posters will say "Herb is better! He got All Defense FIRST team." The awards don't mean much anymore, just look at who has the vote. A majority of those guys are glorified fans that shouldn't be anywhere near the front office.

Wild to see the complaint that Toronto is an unnoticed city/team or small market but imply that New Orleans is something massive.

[Colbinii]

The year before that you have Mobley, Caruso, and JJJ over him for the first team.

That's because 2023 was the last year they did positions for All-Defensive NBA.

In 2024 they started doing position less, which is why 4 C/PF are on the team.

It knows to know

Players that make all star games due to injuries to those picked before them are viewed as undeserving. The same applies here.

Okay, but what exactly is the point you are presenting here?

Herb Jones is an excellent defensive player. Is he as good as OG Anunoby? Probably not, but both are in the upper-echelon of perimeter defenders in the NBA. Herb Jones can switch 1-4, he has a strong lower-body and uses it well to get into the space of the opponent and does so without fouling. He has incredible anticipation, he moves his feet, he navigates screens well and utilizes his length to disrupt ball-handlers.

So where are you trying to bring this conversation? I am assuming why people value Herb Jones?

Well, for starters, most teams who win a championship have defensive glue guys. Jrue Holiday, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Derrick White, Danny Green, Andrew Wiggins, P.J. Tucker, Mikal Bridges. All of these players are different caliber but the archetype of Defensive Glue Piece with some sort of offensive game [typically a basic 3P shot like Herb Jones possesses] is enough to make an impact on a title contender. Herb Jones fits this archetype, which means teams trying to win a championship value the player more than a team like Charlotte or Brooklyn who is in a talent acquisition phase.

A team like the New York Knicks paid a premium price for Mikal Bridges because they feel like they are this one piece away. A team could see themselves as a Herb Jones away and pay a premium price [Not Mikal Bridges price, but OG Price] for him. Take this in comparison to Cameron Johnson. He is a good shooter, he moves well offensively, he is a High IQ guy and fits into most systems offensively. He provides a lot of lift to a team looking to compete in the Regular Season, and that has value. But, Cam Johnson has some defensive weaknesses. A team who wants to win a championship likely has better offensive pieces than him, and is instead looking to finalize the roster with a 3+D type in Herb Jones rather than Cam Johnson. What does that mean? It may mean more teams value Cam over Herb in terms of a VORP, regular season approach. But a team who is on the brink of a championship could pony up more for Herb Jones than they would Cam Johnson.

Another feather in the cap of Herb Jones is his salary. He is paid MLE level for 3 seasons [2025, 2026, 2027]. Apron teams can more easily acquire and match for him given this number. This is important because Apron teams are more likely to be title contenders.

[psman2]

How does Herb Jones get All defense 1st team over OG Anunoby? These awards seem like they weigh the national narrative pretty heavily. OG was getting screwed in Toronto because the "analysts" don't watch the Raptors. I bet a bunch of posters will say "Herb is better! He got All Defense FIRST team." The awards don't mean much anymore, just look at who has the vote. A majority of those guys are glorified fans that shouldn't be anywhere near the front office.

OG didnt play 65 games last year

The year before that you have Mobley, Caruso, and JJJ over him for the first team.

So OG should have made the 1st team over the DPOY?