The Rob Dillingham Thread

[BlacJacMac]

So Ant isn't an elite playmaker?

No.

At least not as far as "for others". He's become a much better passer, but definitely not "elite" (yet).

Is Mike Conley?

What’s “elite” to you?

10 assists? 9?

Its not the number of assists as much as the quality.

For "elite" I want a guy that sees everything on the floor and can make every pass. And knows when to make them. And hits his guys in the best position for them to score (on the move, in their shooting pocket, whatever).

Ant has become tremendous at finding open 3 point shooters. But he still struggles with throwing lobs, he's often late making reads and he still doesn't get guys really easy looks based off of his gravity.

"Elite" is a very high bar.

[thinktank]

No.

At least not as far as "for others". He's become a much better passer, but definitely not "elite" (yet).

Is Mike Conley?

What’s “elite” to you?

10 assists? 9?

Its not the number of assists as much as the quality.

For "elite" I want a guy that sees everything on the floor and can make every pass. And knows when to make them. And hits his guys in the best position for them to score (on the move, in their shooting pocket, whatever).

Ant has become tremendous at finding open 3 point shooters. But he still struggles with throwing lobs, he's often late making reads and he still doesn't get guys really easy looks based off of his gravity.

"Elite" is a very high bar.

And not quantifiable!

Only 7 players averaged 8 or more assists last year. I’d say that’s elite.

[Klomp]

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[minimus]

Tray Young was 19PPG, 42%FG, 32% 3PT, 8.1 APG, 3.8 TO in his rookie year, but most importantly he showed ability to be a lead guard. After first year, he has improved a lot during his NBA career. I see a lot of similarities because of size and electric playing style, but I am not sure if it is the closest comparison

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[KGdaBom]

Tray Young was 19PPG, 42%FG, 32% 3PT, 8.1 APG, 3.8 TO in his rookie year, but most importantly he showed ability to be a lead guard. After first year, he has improved a lot during his NBA career. I see a lot of similarities because of size and electric playing style, but I am not sure if it is the closest comparison

Watch on YouTube

Best comparison I can come up with.

[thinktank]

Tray Young was 19PPG, 42%FG, 32% 3PT, 8.1 APG, 3.8 TO in his rookie year, but most importantly he showed ability to be a lead guard. After first year, he has improved a lot during his NBA career. I see a lot of similarities because of size and electric playing style, but I am not sure if it is the closest comparison

Watch on YouTube

Best comparison I can come up with.

Darius Garland.

Was almost identical size and style in college.

[KGdaBom]

Tray Young was 19PPG, 42%FG, 32% 3PT, 8.1 APG, 3.8 TO in his rookie year, but most importantly he showed ability to be a lead guard. After first year, he has improved a lot during his NBA career. I see a lot of similarities because of size and electric playing style, but I am not sure if it is the closest comparison

Watch on YouTube

Best comparison I can come up with.

Darius Garland.

Was almost identical size and style in college.

That one is fine too.

[Colbinii]

I don't really see the Trae comparisons. He was super ball-dominant in college. His style of player was already apparent, and it has translated well to the Pros.

Dilly is more electric off the pull-up and has a bit more bounce to his game. Both have flare and both are unselfish. I like Dilly better as a pure shooter and mid-range guy, Trae better as an overall scorer given his incredible ability to draw contact.

[Colbinii]

Jalen Brunson could be a super high-end outcome.

[thinktank]

Jalen Brunson could be a super high-end outcome.

He’s got much more bulk and uses his body a lot more. I don’t see that at all.

[thinktank]

I don't really see the Trae comparisons. He was super ball-dominant in college. His style of player was already apparent, and it has translated well to the Pros.

Dilly is more electric off the pull-up and has a bit more bounce to his game. Both have flare and both are unselfish. I like Dilly better as a pure shooter and mid-range guy, Trae better as an overall scorer given his incredible ability to draw contact.

If Dilly is a better pure shooter than Trae then we’re for sure winning multiple titles.

I don’t see that either.



I think we need to remember that Dilly went 8th in a weak draft.

[minimus]

Darius Garland.

Was almost identical size and style in college.

Garland is 192lb on basketball-reference. He was listed at 173lbs during draft. He put 19lbs since then. Impressive.

[BlacJacMac]

I don't really see the Trae comparisons. He was super ball-dominant in college. His style of player was already apparent, and it has translated well to the Pros.

Dilly is more electric off the pull-up and has a bit more bounce to his game. Both have flare and both are unselfish. I like Dilly better as a pure shooter and mid-range guy, Trae better as an overall scorer given his incredible ability to draw contact.

If Dilly is a better pure shooter than Trae then we’re for sure winning multiple titles.

I don’t see that either.



I think we need to remember that Dilly went 8th in a weak draft.

Is Trae that "pure" of a shooter? He's a career 35% from 3 with wild swings year to year. 32, 36, 34, 38, 34, 37.

[thinktank]

I don't really see the Trae comparisons. He was super ball-dominant in college. His style of player was already apparent, and it has translated well to the Pros.

Dilly is more electric off the pull-up and has a bit more bounce to his game. Both have flare and both are unselfish. I like Dilly better as a pure shooter and mid-range guy, Trae better as an overall scorer given his incredible ability to draw contact.

If Dilly is a better pure shooter than Trae then we’re for sure winning multiple titles.

I don’t see that either.



I think we need to remember that Dilly went 8th in a weak draft.

Is Trae that "pure" of a shooter? He's a career 35% from 3 with wild swings year to year. 32, 36, 34, 38, 34, 37.

We’re getting into a definition of what “pure” is and I think we shouldn’t.

To your point, Trae will launch waaaaay more volume of threes than Dilly ever will. I bet you agree.

My guess is Trae shoots more FTs than Dilly too.

They’re just two different styles.

Dilly is closer to Kyrie than Trae, stylistically.

[BlacJacMac]

If Dilly is a better pure shooter than Trae then we’re for sure winning multiple titles.

I don’t see that either.



I think we need to remember that Dilly went 8th in a weak draft.

Is Trae that "pure" of a shooter? He's a career 35% from 3 with wild swings year to year. 32, 36, 34, 38, 34, 37.

We’re getting into a definition of what “pure” is and I think we shouldn’t.

To your point, Trae will launch waaaaay more volume of threes than Dilly ever will. I bet you agree.

My guess is Trae shoots more FTs than Dilly too.

They’re just two different styles.

Dilly is closer to Kyrie than Trae, stylistically.

Its mostly because I really don't like Trae. And the only reason he's not just "some guy" is the ridiculous whistle that he gets.

[Colbinii]

Is Trae that "pure" of a shooter? He's a career 35% from 3 with wild swings year to year. 32, 36, 34, 38, 34, 37.

We’re getting into a definition of what “pure” is and I think we shouldn’t.

To your point, Trae will launch waaaaay more volume of threes than Dilly ever will. I bet you agree.

My guess is Trae shoots more FTs than Dilly too.

They’re just two different styles.

Dilly is closer to Kyrie than Trae, stylistically.

Its mostly because I really don't like Trae. And the only reason he's not just "some guy" is the ridiculous whistle that he gets.

He doesn't 'just get a whistle'. He purposely draws and sells contact.

[Note30]

Is Trae that "pure" of a shooter? He's a career 35% from 3 with wild swings year to year. 32, 36, 34, 38, 34, 37.

We’re getting into a definition of what “pure” is and I think we shouldn’t.

To your point, Trae will launch waaaaay more volume of threes than Dilly ever will. I bet you agree.

My guess is Trae shoots more FTs than Dilly too.

They’re just two different styles.

Dilly is closer to Kyrie than Trae, stylistically.

Its mostly because I really don't like Trae. And the only reason he's not just "some guy" is the ridiculous whistle that he gets.

Takes a lot of skill and grit to draw those whistles. You have to follow rules, but also take a look at their arms/backs/shoulders some time.

Harden in 2016-2018 would have massive welts on his arms after games because he dropped his arms lower on the drive to catch a defenders arms.

Traes back is probably **** especially when gets older because he keeps all of his defenders on his hip.

Russ's MVP seasons take a look at his shoulders, they were and I think still are COVERED in scars. They get hit man and it leaves a mark.

Takes a lot of grit, and skill to buy those free throws.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Is Mike Conley?

What’s “elite” to you?

10 assists? 9?

Its not the number of assists as much as the quality.

For "elite" I want a guy that sees everything on the floor and can make every pass. And knows when to make them. And hits his guys in the best position for them to score (on the move, in their shooting pocket, whatever).

Ant has become tremendous at finding open 3 point shooters. But he still struggles with throwing lobs, he's often late making reads and he still doesn't get guys really easy looks based off of his gravity.

"Elite" is a very high bar.

And not quantifiable!

Only 7 players averaged 8 or more assists last year. I’d say that’s elite.

Number of assists is just a number. If you make 8 and have 5 TO giving easy points it’s not that goods . Another reason why I love Mike play. His ratio/To is elite and he make the best decision on his play making most of the times. This is something you learn by experience as well and I see no reason Ant and Rob not becoming too players on that part.

[minimus]

Watch on YouTube

Two months before season starts, I am watching this video and wondering how Rob will be looking running these actions in MIN uniform.

[thinktank]

Its not the number of assists as much as the quality.

For "elite" I want a guy that sees everything on the floor and can make every pass. And knows when to make them. And hits his guys in the best position for them to score (on the move, in their shooting pocket, whatever).

Ant has become tremendous at finding open 3 point shooters. But he still struggles with throwing lobs, he's often late making reads and he still doesn't get guys really easy looks based off of his gravity.

"Elite" is a very high bar.

And not quantifiable!

Only 7 players averaged 8 or more assists last year. I’d say that’s elite.

Number of assists is just a number. If you make 8 and have 5 TO giving easy points it’s not that goods . Another reason why I love Mike play. His ratio/To is elite and he make the best decision on his play making most of the times. This is something you learn by experience as well and I see no reason Ant and Rob not becoming too players on that part.

All the players who averaged 8 assists or more had at least a 2:1 ratio. That’s good right?