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Post#61 » by Jikkle » Mon Aug 12, 2024 6:39 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:I'm not watching, but looks like it took precisely one kickoff for the new rules to bite us in the ass. Absolutely no surprise. That could be our Achilles heel this season. Very easy to imagine us dropping one or two games purely because we can't cover kicks.

How does our special teams coach still have a job???


Feels like the ST unit has always been below-average under Shanahan and it doesn't seem like it's going to change this season despite it being Schneider's 3rd year here.

Would love to see some stats and how many yards the ST gives up vs how much it gains because it feels like we give up big returns while rarely having any ourselves.

To be fair it feels like Mitch Wishnowsky and the punt unit has been pretty good under Schneider and Wishnowsky who kinda had a slow start to his career has really developed into one of the best P in the league so credit due there.

But on the flipside he was also the guy that really wanted Moody and while Moody has been far from a bust he's hardly been remotely close to be worth a 3rd rounder because you expect a Kicker drafted that high to have a crazy powerful leg and to be nearly automatic but Moody hasn't been that guy. Maybe Moody will be a bit of a late bloomer like Mitch but right now he's gotta a pretty good leg but nobody feels comfortable when he kicks a FG.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#62 » by Jikkle » Mon Aug 12, 2024 6:44 am

Samurai wrote:Ambry Thomas has a broken forearm and will be out for some time. Time to find out which of the newcomers will take a step forward and move up on the depth chart while Thomas is mending.


Thomas looks like he might've been a fringe player on the roster this season as it seems like the new additions to the team had leapfrogged him at this point so his injury really isn't much of a loss to me.

The team currently has a large number of injuries but so far at least none of them have been major issues that will cause guys to miss any significant season time if any at all.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#63 » by Big J » Mon Aug 12, 2024 3:43 pm

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Lol @ objective. Cohn says stupid crap all the time and he is the.most mocked person out there for the stupid crap he posts like that moronic thing you copied


He's mocked because he actually critiques the team and asks Kyle difficult questions.


He is mocked because he says stupid crap and makes a fool of himself often


Ahh got it. Anyone you disagree with is an idiot. You sound like Trump.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#64 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Aug 12, 2024 4:26 pm

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He's mocked because he actually critiques the team and asks Kyle difficult questions.


He is mocked because he says stupid crap and makes a fool of himself often


Ahh got it. Anyone you disagree with is an idiot. You sound like Trump.


LOL, he is well known as a clown. And it isn't just me. You seem like the one person that buys into his nonsense because he spouts what you support. Even Shanahan gave him a nice dig the other day, well deserved.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#65 » by RIPskaterdude » Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:54 pm

arich35 wrote:Didn't get to really watch the first drive but I see a lot of people saying how good Puni looked. Really hoping he can take that RG job and run with it
Agreed, hopefully he is the starter
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Post#66 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Aug 12, 2024 11:24 pm

Man. Two days after looking pretty good in the run-stuffing DT role, Kalia Davis is set for surgery and will miss half the season. Brutal. Starting to feel a bit snakebit, and our run D is a major concern this season.
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Post#67 » by arich35 » Mon Aug 12, 2024 11:25 pm

Man we have so many injuries going on. Kalia Davis now has a knee injury and will miss half the year, Yiadom has an ankle injury and will be out for at least another week. Felicanio's knee soreness is a week to week issue, Burford broke his hand over a week ago, CMC is hurt, seems like every WR we have is going through something.
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Post#69 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Aug 14, 2024 7:02 pm

Not a big news item, but Niners cut LB Ezekiel Turner.

Only reason that occasioned any notice for me is because Barrows put out his 53-man projection this morning and listed Turner as making the active roster. I was pretty shocked by that (biggest surprise on the roster, for me), especially as Barrows had us cutting Curtis Robinson, whom the FO seems to really like. I figured maybe Barrows knew something I had missed, but seemingly not.
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Post#70 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Aug 14, 2024 11:25 pm

Not sure how I never noticed this, but Curtis Robinson on paper is basically Fred Warner. They are a 96.9% match on mockdraftable. Almost identical height, weight, arm length, and every single one of their athleticism scores is incredibly similar. Definitely not expecting him to ever be Warner or even particularly close, but it makes sense why they keep hanging onto him.
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Post#71 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Aug 15, 2024 9:06 pm

Not Niners news, but in case anyone is jonesing for a Trey Lance update, JT still doesn't like what he sees. LOOOOONG video.

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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#72 » by Pattersonca65 » Thu Aug 15, 2024 9:21 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Not Niners news, but in case anyone is jonesing for a Trey Lance update, JT still doesn't like what he sees. LOOOOONG video.



It isn't just JT, the news out of Dallas is mostly bad. McCarthy did not really have anything positive to say about his preseason performance. The reports of his performance coming out of training camp was mostly negative. He looked lost trying to executive the offense. And then his preaseason performance. Talk is Cooper Rush is beating Lance for the second string role and speculation about trading or waiving Lance. The only positive stories about Lance is a few nice throws he made in practice. That was supposed to be some sort of improvement as if he never threw a few nice downfield passes as a 49er. I guess he has a couple of preseason games to try and turn things around.
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Post#73 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Aug 15, 2024 9:37 pm

"Just like a cruel twist of fate here. We continue to throw flats." Hahaha.

Truly, I feel kind of sorry for Lance, even though he's a Cowboy. Everything that has ever been put out about the guy is that he's just a really good person. But man, what a colossal miss as a draft pick. It was clear to me from his college tape that he was always going to have accuracy issues. But he also shows no ability to grasp an NFL offense and read the defense. He routinely fails to see the open guy, or even really understand where the open guy should be based on the play design and defense he sees. Purdy is miles ahead of him in that area.
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Post#74 » by Pattersonca65 » Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:33 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:"Just like a cruel twist of fate here. We continue to throw flats." Hahaha.

Truly, I feel kind of sorry for Lance, even though he's a Cowboy. Everything that has ever been put out about the guy is that he's just a really good person. But man, what a colossal miss as a draft pick. It was clear to me from his college tape that he was always going to have accuracy issues. But he also shows no ability to grasp an NFL offense and read the defense. He routinely fails to see the open guy, or even really understand where the open guy should be based on the play design and defense he sees. Purdy is miles ahead of him in that area.


Alot of Dallas fans have been upset that the team gave up a fourth round pick for him. That didn't seem to bad a trade, only a forth. The 49ers blew three firsts. A major blunder that could have ended up dooming Shanahan/Lynch if the team did not continue to be successful
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Post#75 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Aug 16, 2024 5:53 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:"Just like a cruel twist of fate here. We continue to throw flats." Hahaha.

Truly, I feel kind of sorry for Lance, even though he's a Cowboy. Everything that has ever been put out about the guy is that he's just a really good person. But man, what a colossal miss as a draft pick. It was clear to me from his college tape that he was always going to have accuracy issues. But he also shows no ability to grasp an NFL offense and read the defense. He routinely fails to see the open guy, or even really understand where the open guy should be based on the play design and defense he sees. Purdy is miles ahead of him in that area.


Alot of Dallas fans have been upset that the team gave up a fourth round pick for him. That didn't seem to bad a trade, only a forth. The 49ers blew three firsts. A major blunder that could have ended up dooming Shanahan/Lynch if the team did not continue to be successful


Easily one of the truly bad draft picks ever made. The only saving grace is that Fields and Jones also busted, so they didn't miss out on a game-changer on top of flushing four quality picks down the toilet. And again, no disrespect meant to Lance. It's not his fault they completely botched scouting him. But if I could see that he was a longshot in the NFL (I posted on this forum that I didn't see a first-round pick), how did they miss it? And I didn't even have the chance to run film with him, which should have tipped them off to his shortcomings in recognition.
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Post#76 » by Pattersonca65 » Fri Aug 16, 2024 6:51 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:"Just like a cruel twist of fate here. We continue to throw flats." Hahaha.

Truly, I feel kind of sorry for Lance, even though he's a Cowboy. Everything that has ever been put out about the guy is that he's just a really good person. But man, what a colossal miss as a draft pick. It was clear to me from his college tape that he was always going to have accuracy issues. But he also shows no ability to grasp an NFL offense and read the defense. He routinely fails to see the open guy, or even really understand where the open guy should be based on the play design and defense he sees. Purdy is miles ahead of him in that area.


Alot of Dallas fans have been upset that the team gave up a fourth round pick for him. That didn't seem to bad a trade, only a forth. The 49ers blew three firsts. A major blunder that could have ended up dooming Shanahan/Lynch if the team did not continue to be successful


Easily one of the truly bad draft picks ever made. The only saving grace is that Fields and Jones also busted, so they didn't miss out on a game-changer on top of flushing four quality picks down the toilet. And again, no disrespect meant to Lance. It's not his fault they completely botched scouting him. But if I could see that he was a longshot in the NFL (I posted on this forum that I didn't see a first-round pick), how did they miss it? And I didn't even have the chance to run film with him, which should have tipped them off to his shortcomings in recognition.


I did watch about half of the video you linked. Looks like the still raw prospect that came into the league. One thing I was not aware of from the video were the issues with his footwork and how that affected his timing and throws. At the time of the trade, a Dallas beat writer claimed Dallas had a second round grade on Lance. That makes more sense.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#77 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Aug 16, 2024 6:58 pm

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Alot of Dallas fans have been upset that the team gave up a fourth round pick for him. That didn't seem to bad a trade, only a forth. The 49ers blew three firsts. A major blunder that could have ended up dooming Shanahan/Lynch if the team did not continue to be successful


Easily one of the truly bad draft picks ever made. The only saving grace is that Fields and Jones also busted, so they didn't miss out on a game-changer on top of flushing four quality picks down the toilet. And again, no disrespect meant to Lance. It's not his fault they completely botched scouting him. But if I could see that he was a longshot in the NFL (I posted on this forum that I didn't see a first-round pick), how did they miss it? And I didn't even have the chance to run film with him, which should have tipped them off to his shortcomings in recognition.


I did watch about half of the video you linked. Looks like the still raw prospect that came into the league. One thing I was not aware of from the video were the issues with his footwork and how that affected his timing and throws. At the time of the trade, a Dallas beat writer claimed Dallas had a second round grade on Lance. That makes more sense.


Often, footwork is more important for accuracy and timing than what goes on above the waist. So no surprise that Lance is struggling in that area. The area that really shocks me is that he just doesn't seem to understand the structure and intent of the offense. That's something that some former players observed after his preseason games last year, too. Someone did a mini breakdown of the Raiders game, and it was brutal. Honestly, that was the video that reconciled me to the fact that he was probably going to get traded. He seemingly couldn't make pre-snap reads at all, and as a result often wouldn't look at the open guy.

Again, everything we've ever heard about Lance is that he's smart, a hard worker, he logged tons of time on his tablet going over the playbook and film. But he's facing relatively vanilla defenses in preseason games, and he's not understanding how the play is structured to get guys open. He just doesn't see it. Kaepernick had some of the same issues. Very smart, very hard worker, but just couldn't see it. Now, Kaepernick was a lot better than anything Lance has shown to date, but I think a lot of that was raw talent combined with an offense that didn't ask as much from the QB mentally. His limitations in processing the game of football in real-time would have held him back even if he wasn't blackballed.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#78 » by Harry Palmer » Fri Aug 16, 2024 7:34 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:"Just like a cruel twist of fate here. We continue to throw flats." Hahaha.

Truly, I feel kind of sorry for Lance, even though he's a Cowboy. Everything that has ever been put out about the guy is that he's just a really good person. But man, what a colossal miss as a draft pick. It was clear to me from his college tape that he was always going to have accuracy issues. But he also shows no ability to grasp an NFL offense and read the defense. He routinely fails to see the open guy, or even really understand where the open guy should be based on the play design and defense he sees. Purdy is miles ahead of him in that area.


Alot of Dallas fans have been upset that the team gave up a fourth round pick for him. That didn't seem to bad a trade, only a forth. The 49ers blew three firsts. A major blunder that could have ended up dooming Shanahan/Lynch if the team did not continue to be successful


Easily one of the truly bad draft picks ever made. The only saving grace is that Fields and Jones also busted, so they didn't miss out on a game-changer on top of flushing four quality picks down the toilet. And again, no disrespect meant to Lance. It's not his fault they completely botched scouting him. But if I could see that he was a longshot in the NFL (I posted on this forum that I didn't see a first-round pick), how did they miss it? And I didn't even have the chance to run film with him, which should have tipped them off to his shortcomings in recognition.



As horrible a move as it seems to have been, I still prefer my teams willing to take big swings rather than play it safe. I think there are issues with their approach, mainly I think Kyle has blind spots, almost intentionally, but I still think the reasoning was sound, just that the execution (particularly trading up that early and then figuring out who to take) was poor and to be fair it did seem like everything that could go wrong did.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#79 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Aug 16, 2024 8:30 pm

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Alot of Dallas fans have been upset that the team gave up a fourth round pick for him. That didn't seem to bad a trade, only a forth. The 49ers blew three firsts. A major blunder that could have ended up dooming Shanahan/Lynch if the team did not continue to be successful


Easily one of the truly bad draft picks ever made. The only saving grace is that Fields and Jones also busted, so they didn't miss out on a game-changer on top of flushing four quality picks down the toilet. And again, no disrespect meant to Lance. It's not his fault they completely botched scouting him. But if I could see that he was a longshot in the NFL (I posted on this forum that I didn't see a first-round pick), how did they miss it? And I didn't even have the chance to run film with him, which should have tipped them off to his shortcomings in recognition.



As horrible a move as it seems to have been, I still prefer my teams willing to take big swings rather than play it safe. I think there are issues with their approach, mainly I think Kyle has blind spots, almost intentionally, but I still think the reasoning was sound, just that the execution (particularly trading up that early and then figuring out who to take) was poor and to be fair it did seem like everything that could go wrong did.


I agreed with the decision to be aggressive in pursuing an elite QB rather than overpaying a mediocre starter (anyone who isn't a top-10 or maybe 12 QB is grossly overpaid, IMO). That said, there were so many flaws in the implementation of that generally sound approach. They traded up months before the draft, paying a premium to do so, when they hadn't even fully evaluated the players. They tried to sell that as they wanted to be able to scout these guys without tipping their hands. But that's just asinine. You just paid absolute max value for a pick when the downside of tipping your hand would be...paying max value for a pick. And they did so with a guy (Jones) in mind who almost certainly couldn't justify the talent they would have to give up to bring him in.

Once they had paid that premium for the pick and decided to do some serious scouting, they just did a **** job of it. And sure, Lance checked plenty of boxes off the field. And again, it's not like Jones and Fields set the world on fire themselves. But they were in much worse situations. Lance was awful on the most talented roster in the league led by a widely acknowledged offensive genius. Fields and Jones were muddling through with bad coaching staffs (not overall for Jones, but take away Brady and Bellichick's offensive bona fides are pretty weak) and bad supporting casts. I don't know that Fields ever would have worked in our system, but he was very obviously physically superior to Lance in every way. And Lance is still so bad at any sort of recognition and processing that you've just got to question how they evaluated that part of his game.

So yeah, totally defensible big-picture plan, but the implementation of it was frankly pretty appalling.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

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