Does CP3 have any argument as being better than Durant all time?

[Impuniti]

All PGs make everyone better, that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Nah he made bum teams appear as contenders that's different level ****.

CP3 has never made a team a contender outside of 1 season in Phoenix during a 15 year run. What are you even talking about? The man was a conference finals virgin until he turned 36 years old.

[Saberestar]

I was thinking about this, depending on how you view Durant, is it possible that CP3 is ranked higher all time?

Big fan of both players and I can say NO WAY.

KD is at least a full tier higher than CP3 as an ATG.

[iggymcfrack]

All PGs make everyone better, that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Nah he made bum teams appear as contenders that's different level ****.

CP3 has never made a team a contender outside of 1 season in Phoenix during a 15 year run. What are you even talking about? The man was a conference finals virgin until he turned 36 years old.

It’s not his fault the West was stacked. In 2014, he carried the Clippers to 57 wins, and in the second round they outscored KD’s Thunder by 47 points when he was on the floor, but they lost the bench minutes so badly that the Thunder still won in 6. He badly outplayed KD and Westbrook that series though and could have easily won a ring with a little bit of help.

[fuller4379]

Nope

[JKiddy]

Very simple and faily easy answer, NO.

[Lost92Bricks]

CP3 has never made a team a contender outside of 1 season in Phoenix during a 15 year run. What are you even talking about? The man was a conference finals virgin until he turned 36 years old.

I said appear.

They looked like contenders until they inevitably lost.

When it was just his impact making them look way better than they were.

He did it with a bunch of teams.

[Lost92Bricks]

The narrative is Chris Paul played with stacked teams and did nothing.

How come there are no top 75 players on these "stacked teams"? Aside from Harden of course.

What did these players do when he wasn't there spoonfeeding them. They did nothing to prove that he was the problem all along.

[Lost92Bricks]

I'm supposed to believe him losing with David West, Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan is a big deal lmao.

When Chris left the Clippers, Jordan and Griffin led the Clippers back to the lottery with .500 record and got traded because of it. Nobody remembers that though.

[jfs1000d]

At the moment on RealGM TOP100 2023

20th Paul
22th Durant

so there are planty of arguments Paul>Durant

None are legitimate.

Durant can score at an extreme level and CP3 isnt that type of player.

There is no universe where Cp3 is better than Durant. not in basketball at least.


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[JDR720]

Yes, CP3 has consistently elevated teams without elite talent into being good teams. He also played a key role in turning the Clippers into a good/very good team a few years. He consistently makes teams better, if not for injuries the Suns probably would've won a title.

Meanwhile KD, outside of his titles with GS, he hasn't done that at all. He hasn't done anything without Steph despite having multiple star/superstar teammates.

[MavsDirk41]

I mean, he doesn't to these eyes, but I have KD as borderline top 10 if not in the top 10. CP3 is more like 15ish; above guys like Kobe and Barkley, but maybe not quite the same impact as KD.

[DoItALL9]

Nah he made bum teams appear as contenders that's different level ****.

CP3 has never made a team a contender outside of 1 season in Phoenix during a 15 year run. What are you even talking about? The man was a conference finals virgin until he turned 36 years old.

It’s not his fault the West was stacked. In 2014, he carried the Clippers to 57 wins, and in the second round they outscored KD’s Thunder by 47 points when he was on the floor, but they lost the bench minutes so badly that the Thunder still won in 6. He badly outplayed KD and Westbrook that series though and could have easily won a ring with a little bit of help.

Don't let introspective stats/truth/facts ruin this thread for folks. KD is a better scorer and won rings. You're going much too deep.

[DoItALL9]

I'm supposed to believe him losing with David West, Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan is a big deal lmao.

When Chris left the Clippers, Jordan and Griffin led the Clippers back to the lottery with .500 record and got traded because of it. Nobody remembers that though.

The narrative is Chris Paul played with stacked teams and did nothing.

How come there are no top 75 players on these "stacked teams"? Aside from Harden of course.

What did these players do when he wasn't there spoonfeeding them. They did nothing to prove that he was the problem all along.

Chris Paul made guys get All-NBA & All-star recognition. He made the general public believe he was playing on stacked teams. It's actually amazing.

[LaLover11]

CP3 #2 PG of all time
Durant greatest scorer of all time

[MavsDirk41]

I think people look at Kobe's numbers and say 'wow, 28ppg, he must have been better offensively than CP3'. But here's another simplistic way of showing why that's not true. So let's say Paul has 21ppg and 12apg, and Kobe has 28ppg and 5apg. Then let's be charitable to Kobe and assume each assist only led to a 2 point bucket. That would suggest Paul was producing 45 points for his team compared to 38 points for Kobe.

Of course, that's just a simplistic assessment, because it's actually so much worse for Kobe. CP3 is also more efficient, and he's turning it over less, and the other guys on his team are more efficient because he's setting them up so well, and this doesn't include all the hockey assists Paul creates by managing the offense so well, and on and on. But even this simplistic approach shows us Paul is better on O, and he's better on D too. Wait, what is Kobe's argument again?

What is hilarious is you turning this into a “im gonna bash Kobe” thread. Kobe was the best player on 2 championship teams. Chris Paul has not and will not ever accomplish a feat nearly as impressive as that. Who cares if he was more efficient shooting the ball? The only advantage Paul has over Kobe is playmaking/leadership. Those are important but Kobe was a more explosive and skillled offensive player. Better individual defender. Kobe also spent his 20 playing for one organization while Paul has bounced around.

[One_and_Done]

It's about context. If CP3 had the context of a Kobe, he'd have 6 rings probably.

[MavsDirk41]

CP3 #2 PG of all time
Durant greatest scorer of all time

Neither of those are correct. Magic, Curry, and Thomas are the greatest point guards of all time. Jordan and Wilt are the greatest scorers of all time.

[MavsDirk41]

It's about context. If CP3 had the context of a Kobe, he'd have 6 rings probably.

What are you talking about lol?

[Impuniti]

CP3 has never made a team a contender outside of 1 season in Phoenix during a 15 year run. What are you even talking about? The man was a conference finals virgin until he turned 36 years old.

I said appear.

They looked like contenders until they inevitably lost.

When it was just his impact making them look way better than they were.

He did it with a bunch of teams.

So in other words, nothing particularly special. It's easier to make bad teams look solid than it is to raise the ceiling of actual contenders. So in that respect, congratulations to CP3.

Nah he made bum teams appear as contenders that's different level ****.

CP3 has never made a team a contender outside of 1 season in Phoenix during a 15 year run. What are you even talking about? The man was a conference finals virgin until he turned 36 years old.

It’s not his fault the West was stacked. In 2014, he carried the Clippers to 57 wins, and in the second round they outscored KD’s Thunder by 47 points when he was on the floor, but they lost the bench minutes so badly that the Thunder still won in 6. He badly outplayed KD and Westbrook that series though and could have easily won a ring with a little bit of help.

Winners win and losers make excuses. The conference being too hard is not a good defense if your argument is that CP3 is as good as some folks him to be. What happened in other playoff series where CP3 was outscored when he was on the floor?

[iggymcfrack]

CP3 has never made a team a contender outside of 1 season in Phoenix during a 15 year run. What are you even talking about? The man was a conference finals virgin until he turned 36 years old.

I said appear.

They looked like contenders until they inevitably lost.

When it was just his impact making them look way better than they were.

He did it with a bunch of teams.

So in other words, nothing particularly special. It's easier to make bad teams look solid than it is to raise the ceiling of actual contenders. So in that respect, congratulations to CP3.

CP3 has never made a team a contender outside of 1 season in Phoenix during a 15 year run. What are you even talking about? The man was a conference finals virgin until he turned 36 years old.

It’s not his fault the West was stacked. In 2014, he carried the Clippers to 57 wins, and in the second round they outscored KD’s Thunder by 47 points when he was on the floor, but they lost the bench minutes so badly that the Thunder still won in 6. He badly outplayed KD and Westbrook that series though and could have easily won a ring with a little bit of help.

Winners win and losers make excuses. The conference being too hard is not a good defense if your argument is that CP3 is as good as some folks him to be. What happened in other playoff series where CP3 was outscored when he was on the floor?

For his career, CP3 has made his teams 6.2 points better when he’s on the floor in the playoffs. KD has only made his teams 2.4 points better. The only reason KD “has more playoff success” is that he jumped on board a 73-win team to be the 3rd wheel. You’re literally just rewarding the weakest move of all-time if you give KD credit for being a “winner” for joining the Warriors. Without that, they each have 0 rings and 1 Finals trip.