Randle's Future

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The blatant lack of effort is one thing, but it’s the throwing his hands up at the end blaming his own teammates lack of rim protection that really does it for me.

It's almost as bad as Peter Thiel saying he didn't know JD Vance was a dipchit and blaming Trump for choosing him

[Clyde_Style]

As the thread starter, I expect a little kickback.

Line item 85.b(i) of purchase memorandum states:

"OP shall be entitled to gratis three month subscription to Netflix and one Randle's Future paraphernalia item of their choosing."

Throw in a pair of mid-tier MSG playoff tickets for each round the Knicks play in over the next three years and you got yourself a deal.

Sorry, but too late for that. RealGM fine print clearly states:

"By registering for an account to post on the RealGM.com website you consent to said website's ability to monetize your contributions to said website while surrendering all claims to ownership rights of said content. In perpetuity. Suck it."

[3toheadmelo]

Except this

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I think he fits

The bad fit was RJ.

This. The choice between Randle and RJ was crystal clear and yet, much as with so many other things, people kept wanting to make it complicated. And years later we're still at the "why can't Randle lead the Knicks to anything when it was just him and a bunch of misfitting poop, let's get rid of him cause hes crap."

Getting rid of RJ brought the best out of Randle and the team. Had us looking like championship contenders. Can’t wait to see us in the finals this year.

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[spree2kawhi]

If everybody stays put, I‘d love to see us meet Minnesota in the Finals only to find out. I’d just love to see it. I’m not convinced that Towns is better. Personally I think he should be… but I’d just love to find out.

[Iron Mantis]

[Nazrmohamed]

Randle gets crap a lot because he takes plays off here and there. But in bulk, his DBPM is 0.0 as a Knick, meaning he is an average defender overall -- and that includes his rough first and third seasons where he actually wasn't playing defense. So, logically, a motivated Randle is potentially a + defender.

But does he want be?

Would love to see consistent effort on that end.

For a big who finds himself hanging around the paint a lot looking for rebounds, you'd like to see him at least get in front of guys driving or try to block a shot or two.

Fun trivia question

Who averaged more blocks per game last season: Julius Randle or Steph Curry?

His defensive rating is 113. Not great, but it's far from a concern that his critics paint. You can hide a 113 defensive rating amongst a great defense especially when ones offensive responsibility is as great as his is. You know who else has that same rating? Jalen Brunson. You know who isolates allot? Jalen Brunson. In fact Julius is a better passer than Jalen Brunson as well.

My point is critics will point to a series of behaviors they don't like but only apply it to him. They don't mind when Jalen does it. Iso is ok when Jalen does it. Lack of defense is ok when Jalen does it. Just be fair. At the end of the day Julius has failed us in the playoffs. Every issue Julius has is backfilled after that failure. There is no regular season issue with Julius is my point. For 82 games over the course of the last 5 seasons, Julius Randle has been nothing short of an excellent player, save for maybe that one yr. His 3rd yr here where we won 37 games and missed it. And statistically it was still more of a good player/ bad team situation.


EVERYTHING EVERONE HATES ABOUT JULIUS HAPPENS WITHIN THE LAST 2 WEEKS. And that's an important 2 weeks for sure. If that's what you wanna reference and that's it, then reference it and that's it. Just be fair about it. Julius isn't a bad fit with every player because of his last 2 weeks. He isn't a horrible defender because if his last 2 weeks. He isn't selfish because of those last two weeks. Dies anyone know his Stateline during even those last 2 weeks. Cause the last time I saw him fail the dude scored like 13 on some abysmal shooting, grabbed double digit boards and had like 6 assists.

It's more of a shame that only in that moment does his shot totally fail him than anything else. He IS doing the little things. Nobody GAF, he's supposed to be carrying the offense at that time. He could've played the best defense of his life. In the playoffs scoring stars need to be scoring. All I'm saying is just let that be your arguments instead of backfilling some fake horrible season that was never horrible for Julius. I expect Julius to come in, fit with everybody assuming the annoying media stop pushing this Villanova agenda. And I expect him to dominate as he always does save for his annual 6 game slump somewhere. Then in the playoffs I have no idea.

[3toheadmelo]

Randle gets crap a lot because he takes plays off here and there. But in bulk, his DBPM is 0.0 as a Knick, meaning he is an average defender overall -- and that includes his rough first and third seasons where he actually wasn't playing defense. So, logically, a motivated Randle is potentially a + defender.

But does he want be?

Would love to see consistent effort on that end.

For a big who finds himself hanging around the paint a lot looking for rebounds, you'd like to see him at least get in front of guys driving or try to block a shot or two.

Fun trivia question

Who averaged more blocks per game last season: Julius Randle or Steph Curry?

His defensive rating is 113. Not great, but it's far from a concern that his critics paint. You can hide a 113 defensive rating amongst a great defense especially when ones offensive responsibility is as great as his is. You know who else has that same rating? Jalen Brunson. You know who isolates allot? Jalen Brunson. In fact Julius is a better passer than Jalen Brunson as well.

My point is critics will point to a series of behaviors they don't like but only apply it to him. They don't mind when Jalen does it. Iso is ok when Jalen does it. Lack of defense is ok when Jalen does it. Just be fair. At the end of the day Julius has failed us in the playoffs. Every issue Julius has is backfilled after that failure. There is no regular season issue with Julius is my point. For 82 games over the course of the last 5 seasons, Julius Randle has been nothing short of an excellent player, save for maybe that one yr. His 3rd yr here where we won 37 games and missed it. And statistically it was still more of a good player/ bad team situation.


EVERYTHING EVERONE HATES ABOUT JULIUS HAPPENS WITHIN THE LAST 2 WEEKS. And that's an important 2 weeks for sure. If that's what you wanna reference and that's it, then reference it and that's it. Just be fair about it. Julius isn't a bad fit with every player because of his last 2 weeks. He isn't a horrible defender because if his last 2 weeks. He isn't selfish because of those last two weeks. Dies anyone know his Stateline during even those last 2 weeks. Cause the last time I saw him fail the dude scored like 13 on some abysmal shooting, grabbed double digit boards and had like 6 assists.

It's more of a shame that only in that moment does his shot totally fail him than anything else. He IS doing the little things. Nobody GAF, he's supposed to be carrying the offense at that time. He could've played the best defense of his life. In the playoffs scoring stars need to be scoring. All I'm saying is just let that be your arguments instead of backfilling some fake horrible season that was never horrible for Julius. I expect Julius to come in, fit with everybody assuming the annoying media stop pushing this Villanova agenda. And I expect him to dominate as he always does save for his annual 6 game slump somewhere. Then in the playoffs I have no idea.

[Iron Mantis]

Randle gets crap a lot because he takes plays off here and there. But in bulk, his DBPM is 0.0 as a Knick, meaning he is an average defender overall -- and that includes his rough first and third seasons where he actually wasn't playing defense. So, logically, a motivated Randle is potentially a + defender.

But does he want be?

Would love to see consistent effort on that end.

For a big who finds himself hanging around the paint a lot looking for rebounds, you'd like to see him at least get in front of guys driving or try to block a shot or two.

Fun trivia question

Who averaged more blocks per game last season: Julius Randle or Steph Curry?

His defensive rating is 113. Not great, but it's far from a concern that his critics paint. You can hide a 113 defensive rating amongst a great defense especially when ones offensive responsibility is as great as his is. You know who else has that same rating? Jalen Brunson. You know who isolates allot? Jalen Brunson. In fact Julius is a better passer than Jalen Brunson as well.

My point is critics will point to a series of behaviors they don't like but only apply it to him. They don't mind when Jalen does it. Iso is ok when Jalen does it. Lack of defense is ok when Jalen does it. Just be fair. At the end of the day Julius has failed us in the playoffs. Every issue Julius has is backfilled after that failure. There is no regular season issue with Julius is my point. For 82 games over the course of the last 5 seasons, Julius Randle has been nothing short of an excellent player, save for maybe that one yr. His 3rd yr here where we won 37 games and missed it. And statistically it was still more of a good player/ bad team situation.


EVERYTHING EVERONE HATES ABOUT JULIUS HAPPENS WITHIN THE LAST 2 WEEKS. And that's an important 2 weeks for sure. If that's what you wanna reference and that's it, then reference it and that's it. Just be fair about it. Julius isn't a bad fit with every player because of his last 2 weeks. He isn't a horrible defender because if his last 2 weeks. He isn't selfish because of those last two weeks. Dies anyone know his Stateline during even those last 2 weeks. Cause the last time I saw him fail the dude scored like 13 on some abysmal shooting, grabbed double digit boards and had like 6 assists.

It's more of a shame that only in that moment does his shot totally fail him than anything else. He IS doing the little things. Nobody GAF, he's supposed to be carrying the offense at that time. He could've played the best defense of his life. In the playoffs scoring stars need to be scoring. All I'm saying is just let that be your arguments instead of backfilling some fake horrible season that was never horrible for Julius. I expect Julius to come in, fit with everybody assuming the annoying media stop pushing this Villanova agenda. And I expect him to dominate as he always does save for his annual 6 game slump somewhere. Then in the playoffs I have no idea.

Julius is a better passer than Brunson? Better in what way? Brunson averages more assists and has a better assist to turnover ratio.

Brunson tries on defense..he's just not good at it. Randle has the ability to play defense..we've seen it...but he rarely gives effort as we've all seen during games and we have all the tape. Effort is important...

Can you just tell me: Who averages more blocks per game?

Your 29 year old 7 foot wingspan PF??.....

Or a 35 year old 6'-2" PG who has a rep of being a poor defender???....

And then tell me why...


No offense but I stopped reading after your 1st paragraph.

[Im Coming Home]

Warming up the Randle/Anti-Randle wars early this year huh boys?

[3toheadmelo]

Warming up the Randle/Anti-Randle wars early this year huh boys?

There is no war because we already won. Knicks chose Randle over yall favorite RJ which turned us into championship contenders. It’s a great time to be alive. Thanks Leon!

[Nazrmohamed]

The bad fit was RJ.

This. The choice between Randle and RJ was crystal clear and yet, much as with so many other things, people kept wanting to make it complicated. And years later we're still at the "why can't Randle lead the Knicks to anything when it was just him and a bunch of misfitting poop, let's get rid of him cause hes crap."

Nah...I actually didn't want to bring up Randle's record, but it only started when nazr started spouting fake news about Randle and telling us that Randle's record with the Knicks spoke for itself. So then I looked up Randle's impact on the Knicks and lo and behold, Randle has a 166-164. So, like I said, if you're gonna defend Randle, bring the arguments. Check the facts.

Truth be told, I don't use Randle's record to justify anything. I don't use the booing thing...anyone caught up on that is dumb. I think there's a bigger issue with Randle, that has to do entirely with basketball. I'd just like to summarize some of the points Randle supporters are making in this thread.

Randle can be a good defender...when he's motivated.

This is so damning. We've had a lot of excuses for Randle over the years. We blamed the fans (although I tend to think the fans boo because of poor effort first, and even then, it's so stupid if an athlete stops playing defense over booing). We blamed Randle having a child. Guess we're blaming RJ. Blamed the work load he was taking on. Lots of excuses. What are we making excuses for? Lack of effort. It's extremely frustrating during the regular season. If that happened in the postseason? Man...if Josh Hart was playing 48 minutes and getting triple doubles and OG was hobbling and Brunson came back from injury and Randle was still not doing his best?

We are now a team that wants a championship. We are trying to rely on a guy who can be a good defender...if he's motivated...and apparently, there have only been 2 times in the past 5 years he's been really motivated. Once, when he was in the bubble, fighting for a contract, and the team had drafted his replacement. Once, for a short span of 14 games, when we traded for an all NBA defender who we then had to pay 212 million to.

Let's get back on track and make this thread about motivation. Let's talk about motivation. Leave behind the booing. Leave behind RJ. Leave behind his record, even. Tell me I can have a motivated Randle, right now, for the next few years, and let's get that contract signed. I'll support it wholeheartedly. Or have you all given up on that Randle...the Randle we saw in 2020-2021?

A record argument still isn't a bad argument. You're still referencing a .500 plus record on a team that was in the lottery when he got here. There are coaches in the HOF with a record like that. You go to a trash team you buukd up the culture from scratch and then the winning comes later. Randle came to a team that won 17 games the yr before. It's why we got RJ in the first place. RJ matters because we were in this wierd " do we actually wanna win?" mentality around here. I remember when the dig on Randle was that he was just good enough to keep us out of the lottery and we'd rather lose. Just think about that for a second. His critics were critics, because he stopped us from losing. The following yr people were angry we made that play-in. The 37win yr was just a bad yr all around. Julius was surely part of it but it was just universally bad. Everyone got hurt but just at wierd times and I'd like to give a bunch of excuses but my only point is it was enough factors not to blame it all on Randle.

And then the next two seasons we've had Jalen and won games. First though I have a question. Why is it in this town and this town only does a player have to prove he's a good player in the ABSENCE of other good player. I call it the highlander effect. " There can only be one" I watched it with Melo. Literally his who existence was supposed to be spent with a dominant Amare and critics alnost won't even allow you to reference it. Nope, if he was good enough he should do everything we expected with Amare.......without Amare.

So you tell me why Jalens presence becomes something Julius has to feel worse about his success for. It's like this little trump card that people believe they sound wise by spouting. Yes, our mist recent success has allot to do with Jalen. What is Jalen?

- he's an adequate PG. Julius is a power forward. Throughout history the best pairing of players when one of them is a PF is when he has a good PG to make things easy in him. Forget the fact that Jalen is a stud which I'll get to next. We actually go get Julius a competent PG and should feel less of him. It's some sort of handicap. What, should we go back to Payton to prove that he is indeed good. I mean, we did and won 41 games. Was that good enough for you?

- he's a stud player, seperate from his position. So wait, for Julius to gain any respect he must accomplish it without any other good players? This is my highlander effect ail talking about. Why can't we be spoiled. Why can't we be stacked. It's funny, Kevin Durant isn't any less a player because Devin Booker is on his team. Tatum isn't less of a player because he's got Brown

So when I reference his record speaking for himself, I'm just gonna have to double down on that Gadfly. Since Jukius arrived we've had a great culture, we expect to win games and success is measured by how deep we get in the playoffs. He isn't untouchable but the way you describe him makes it sound like some addition by subtraction trades are in order. That he's some detriment. And I just don't believe that. In fact, I think the truth is he's an excellent player save for that last two weeks and ehat we or he needs to fix is " the last two weeks"


The last 2 weeks. It is surprising to me. There are no precursors and funny enough the things that people complain about with Julius aren't even the things that come up. You're complaining about defense and effort and his ancillary stats are great in the playoffs, he just can't hit the side of a barn. And when you expect your star to perform on the biggest stage there aren't any moral victories when it comes to an all NBA player going 7 for 15 or whatever that mess is. I get annoyed too but I'm direct to what it is. You're a star. You gotta score over double teams. You gotta make it happen. In the playoffs Julius doesn't SCORE as he typically SCORES. THATS the problem. It ain't his defense

[Clyde_Style]

Inexcusable

[thebuzzardman]

Damb. Brunson just like Randle. Need to start the trade Brunson rumors

[aggo]

Damb. Brunson just like Randle. Need to start the trade Brunson rumors

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[3toheadmelo]

Damb. Brunson just like Randle. Need to start the trade Brunson rumors

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[Im Coming Home]

Warming up the Randle/Anti-Randle wars early this year huh boys?

There is no war because we already won. Knicks chose Randle over yall favorite RJ which turned us into championship contenders. It’s a great time to be alive. Thanks Leon!

That wasn't ever what the war was about.

People liked RJ, and people disliked Randle, and vice versa, those things aren't mutually exclusive.

You are the only one who made it about RJ because you took offense to people attacking Randle for his poor play and poor defense, etc or whatever other reason people were disliking his play at that current time. You would attack RJ as a defense mechanism in an attempt to deflect attention away from Randle. But those two things could very easily be separate.

As I said, the Pro-Randle/Anti-Randle war is still going on, doesn't matter if RJ is here or not, which is now isn't.

[3toheadmelo]

Warming up the Randle/Anti-Randle wars early this year huh boys?

There is no war because we already won. Knicks chose Randle over yall favorite RJ which turned us into championship contenders. It’s a great time to be alive. Thanks Leon!

That wasn't ever what the war was about.

People liked RJ, and people disliked Randle, and vice versa, those things aren't mutually exclusive.

You are the only one who made it about RJ because you took offense to people attacking Randle for his poor play and poor defense, etc or whatever other reason people were disliking his play at that current time. You would attack RJ as a defense mechanism in an attempt to deflect attention away from Randle. But those two things could very easily be separate.

As I said, the Pro-Randle/Anti-Randle war is still going on, doesn't matter if RJ is here or not, which is now isn't.

You were one of the biggest RJ fans and tried to pit him against Randle. You and others. Being in denial about it is hilarious. You was rocking a Randle in a Phx jersey avi on some really weird schit.

Anyways like us and other people have mentioned, yall are still butthurt about us trading ya mans. No need to beat the bush around it. Now you trying to use Randle as your punching bag since the Knicks have been much more successful in the post RJ era because you were wrong about RJ holding us back. I love it man. Keep it up. Thanks leon!

[Iron Mantis]

Thankfully this didn't happen after Randle found his defensive spiritual awakening upon OG joining the team.....right???

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[3toheadmelo]

11-1 with Randle,Brunson, OG with the best defense and net rating in the league. Facts are facts. Random clips don't change that. Cope