The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[sunsbg]

Booker showed the key to winning in the Olympics. Beal simply needs to do the same and play defense first, rebound, hit threes. As a starter scoring 20+ per game doesnt matter for Beal. Can he be a glue guy?

He kinda tried to be the glue guy, taking the playmaking role, had like 12 assists at one game late in the season, played solid D, and we saw how that ended. Jones makes him even less important on offense and he surely will not suddenly become a defensive stopper. On this team his best role is really a 6th man, instant offense player, though as pointed out by others it will take an injury or really bad results(unlikely) to get there.

[sunsbg]

4/5 games at start of season against the LA teams with Mavs as 3rd game. Interesting schedule.

[Saberestar]

4/5 games at start of season against the LA teams with Mavs as 3rd game. Interesting schedule.

Home opener against the Mavs. I LOVE IT.

[mkot]

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[garrick]

I really feel like anyone who expects/hopes Beal comes off the bench is just setting themselves up for disappointment....for no reason. You just don't pay a good and healthy NBA player $50m to come off the bench at the start of the season with a new coach, new PG and a new system. You throw everything at the wall to see if it works before you bring him off the bench, which we may at some point in the season if nothing works but to project Beal coming off the bench now is kinda crazy

Beal not coming off the bench is about a big brained as running no point guard for an entire year. Someone in this front office needs to throw their baby arm on the table. The ****, how are suns fans cool with this? I can’t believe people are getting paid to make these ridiculous decisions.

Was gonna wait and see with how Beal goes with the starters but mate I've had a few beers and let me tell you you're spot on it's some galaxy brain tactics to have Beal out there with the starters being essentially a 4th option from a touches standpoint.

Beal is gonna be sitting in a corner after Tyus brings the ball up and Booker and KD get the lions share of shots. And Nurk is pretty good at operating with the ball passing out of the low and high posts.

And then you look at how trash our bench scoring looks if Beal is in the starters like who the hell is gonna make any buckets and shot create off the bench?? We wanna have Grayson Allen and Morris taking step back jumpers and attacking the rim??

Jesus Christ

We just simply have too many guards and the one conundrum is Beal because his contract will be almost impossible to move and his ego likely won't allow him to come off the bench so we are probably going to have to run a 3 guard lineup on most nights.

[Bogyo]

Beal not coming off the bench is about a big brained as running no point guard for an entire year. Someone in this front office needs to throw their baby arm on the table. The ****, how are suns fans cool with this? I can’t believe people are getting paid to make these ridiculous decisions.

Was gonna wait and see with how Beal goes with the starters but mate I've had a few beers and let me tell you you're spot on it's some galaxy brain tactics to have Beal out there with the starters being essentially a 4th option from a touches standpoint.

Beal is gonna be sitting in a corner after Tyus brings the ball up and Booker and KD get the lions share of shots. And Nurk is pretty good at operating with the ball passing out of the low and high posts.

And then you look at how trash our bench scoring looks if Beal is in the starters like who the hell is gonna make any buckets and shot create off the bench?? We wanna have Grayson Allen and Morris taking step back jumpers and attacking the rim??

Jesus Christ

We just simply have too many guards and the one conundrum is Beal because his contract will be almost impossible to move and his ego likely won't allow him to come off the bench so we are probably going to have to run a 3 guard lineup on most nights.

And we will find out the hard way what everyone and their grandmother knows: we are not big and athletic enough upfront to get away with the 3 guard lineup constantly.

[garrick]

Was gonna wait and see with how Beal goes with the starters but mate I've had a few beers and let me tell you you're spot on it's some galaxy brain tactics to have Beal out there with the starters being essentially a 4th option from a touches standpoint.

Beal is gonna be sitting in a corner after Tyus brings the ball up and Booker and KD get the lions share of shots. And Nurk is pretty good at operating with the ball passing out of the low and high posts.

And then you look at how trash our bench scoring looks if Beal is in the starters like who the hell is gonna make any buckets and shot create off the bench?? We wanna have Grayson Allen and Morris taking step back jumpers and attacking the rim??

Jesus Christ

We just simply have too many guards and the one conundrum is Beal because his contract will be almost impossible to move and his ego likely won't allow him to come off the bench so we are probably going to have to run a 3 guard lineup on most nights.

And we will find out the hard way what everyone and their grandmother knows: we are not big and athletic enough upfront to get away with the 3 guard lineup constantly.

I know it's a longshot but I hope that Jalen and Oso can provide some quality minutes at the forward position because Royce just doesn't have it and he's way undersized to be a consistent threat on offense.

If Beal wants to bitch about it if I'm coach Bud I tell him to kick rocks and if he doesn't like coming off the bench he can waive his no trade clause and request a trade.

[Bogyo]

We just simply have too many guards and the one conundrum is Beal because his contract will be almost impossible to move and his ego likely won't allow him to come off the bench so we are probably going to have to run a 3 guard lineup on most nights.

And we will find out the hard way what everyone and their grandmother knows: we are not big and athletic enough upfront to get away with the 3 guard lineup constantly.

I know it's a longshot but I hope that Jalen and Oso can provide some quality minutes at the forward position because Royce just doesn't have it and he's way undersized to be a consistent threat on offense.

If Beal wants to bitch about it if I'm coach Bud I tell him to kick rocks and if he doesn't like coming off the bench he can waive his no trade clause and request a trade.

Bol has a better chance of getting better and filling up those minutes than the rookies. At least he has the lenght and the shooting - our rookies don't, and they are rookies.

I wouldn't be against the second option. Coach (and management) tells player "thatswassup" and if you don't like it waive your NTC and we'll find something. The thing here is I would't trust JJ (or Wishbia) to make a good trade out of this scenario, and if we get meaningfully worse for our 1-2 year window then whats the point???

[Saberestar]

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That would be cool.

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EDIT: He finally has signed a 1-year, $2.1M with the Sixers.

Nice addition for a contender at that cheap salary.

[Bogyo]

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EDIT: He finally has signed a 1-year, $2.1M with the Sixers.

Nice addition for a contender at that cheap salary.

Either he got something done under the table (or a promise for a next contract), or he really believes in himself... or both.
I wish we did this, smh...

*edit: I guess it was about playing time too, Sixers had no starting PF/big wing whatsoever. Their projected starters are Tyrese, Oubre, Caleb Martin (I guess he is out if Yabu pans out even a little), PG and Embiid. They also have no size on the bench, so I guess he will be playing 25-30 mins. Good for him - if he does the basics like defense, rebounding, dunking and maybe hit corner 3s, he just made himself a lot of money.

[Saberestar]

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EDIT: He finally has signed a 1-year, $2.1M with the Sixers.

Nice addition for a contender at that cheap salary.

Either he got something done under the table (or a promise for a next contract), or he really believes in himself... or both.
I wish we did this, smh...

*edit: I guess it was about playing time too, Sixers had no starting PF/big wing whatsoever. Their projected starters are Tyrese, Oubre, Caleb Martin (I guess he is out if Yabu pans out even a little), PG and Embiid. They also have no size on the bench, so I guess he will be playing 25-30 mins. Good for him - if he does the basics like defense, rebounding, dunking and maybe hit corner 3s, he just made himself a lot of money.

25-30 minutes??? I think you are overrating him.

He is an all-around player but doesn't excell at anything. He will have his opportunity and probably 12-15 mpg. I don't think he will play over KJ Martin.

[Bogyo]

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EDIT: He finally has signed a 1-year, $2.1M with the Sixers.

Nice addition for a contender at that cheap salary.

Either he got something done under the table (or a promise for a next contract), or he really believes in himself... or both.
I wish we did this, smh...

*edit: I guess it was about playing time too, Sixers had no starting PF/big wing whatsoever. Their projected starters are Tyrese, Oubre, Caleb Martin (I guess he is out if Yabu pans out even a little), PG and Embiid. They also have no size on the bench, so I guess he will be playing 25-30 mins. Good for him - if he does the basics like defense, rebounding, dunking and maybe hit corner 3s, he just made himself a lot of money.

25-30 minutes??? I think you are overrating him.

He is an all-around player but doesn't excell at anything. He will have his opportunity and probably 12-15 mpg. I don't think he will play over KJ Martin.

Maybe, or you are overrating KJ Martin. He had 60 games with Philly, he didnt light the world on fire. Not big and strong enough, so doesnt really rebound or defend bigs, and doesnt shoot 3s. Yabusele got 2.5 inches and 50 pounds on him, plus shoots 3s at a 40% clip. I do not see the fascination with KJ - if he was proper good he'd be starting over Caleb effing Martin at least in the depth charts.

[Saberestar]

Either he got something done under the table (or a promise for a next contract), or he really believes in himself... or both.
I wish we did this, smh...

*edit: I guess it was about playing time too, Sixers had no starting PF/big wing whatsoever. Their projected starters are Tyrese, Oubre, Caleb Martin (I guess he is out if Yabu pans out even a little), PG and Embiid. They also have no size on the bench, so I guess he will be playing 25-30 mins. Good for him - if he does the basics like defense, rebounding, dunking and maybe hit corner 3s, he just made himself a lot of money.

25-30 minutes??? I think you are overrating him.

He is an all-around player but doesn't excell at anything. He will have his opportunity and probably 12-15 mpg. I don't think he will play over KJ Martin.

Maybe, or you are overrating KJ Martin. He had 60 games with Philly, he didnt light the world on fire. Not big and strong enough, so doesnt really rebound or defend bigs, and doesnt shoot 3s. Yabusele got 2.5 inches and 50 pounds on him, plus shoots 3s at a 40% clip. I do not see the fascination with KJ - if he was proper good he'd be starting over Caleb effing Martin at least in the depth charts.

I am not a fan of KJ Martin but I think he will be higher than Yabusele on the depth chart at 3/4.

Caleb Martin has been rock solid for the last 3 years at Miami, obviously I think he will play big minutes for the Sixers. About the same can be said about Oubre and then there is Paul George too...so all in all that's why I can't see Yabusele having a big role on the Sixers.

[lilfishi22]

Surprised to see Yabu back for just the min. I would've expected he'd look at something like a TP MLE at least.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Not sure Olympics has much relevance to NBA.

Patty Mills plays like Damian Lillard for Australia for 10 years.

[garrick]

I just checked his stats and he wasn't exactly setting FIBA records alight averaging anywhere from 10ppg -14ppg so maybe that explains why Mat didn't try to get him.

The Olympics can also give a distorted view of a player like what happened with Greek baby Shaq that demolished the US team, looked like a monster but didn't even end up being drafted NBA because individually he wasn't that good but you wouldn't know if just watching a limited amount of games in the Olympics.

[lilfishi22]

Not sure Olympics has much relevance to NBA.

Patty Mills plays like Damian Lillard for Australia for 10 years.

Patty Mills is also a good NBA player. Olympics might have been the showcase Yabu needed to get more eyeballs on his game so he could get back into the NBA but he's been a really good starter playing for a Euro powerhouse in Real Madrid in the top league in Europe for the past 3 seasons.

[sunskerr]

Not sure Olympics has much relevance to NBA.

Patty Mills plays like Damian Lillard for Australia for 10 years.

Patty Mills is also a good NBA player. Olympics might have been the showcase Yabu needed to get more eyeballs on his game so he could get back into the NBA but he's been a really good starter playing for a Euro powerhouse in Real Madrid in the top league in Europe for the past 3 seasons.

He is also like 6'8" 270 lbs who can do a bit of defending at SF and C. We could have used a guy like that. It's PJ Tucker all over again.

[lilfishi22]

Not sure Olympics has much relevance to NBA.

Patty Mills plays like Damian Lillard for Australia for 10 years.

Patty Mills is also a good NBA player. Olympics might have been the showcase Yabu needed to get more eyeballs on his game so he could get back into the NBA but he's been a really good starter playing for a Euro powerhouse in Real Madrid in the top league in Europe for the past 3 seasons.

He is also like 6'8" 270 lbs who can do a bit of defending at SF and C. We could have used a guy like that. It's PJ Tucker all over again.

You also don't need to be a superstar or star in Europe to have a role in the NBA. It would be better if you're a star but I think he can play a PJ role for sure, esp if his 3PT shooting translate. And for the vet min, it's a pretty low stake gamble