Randle's Future

[robillionaire]

The big thing is he needs to get over 34% from 3

You need at least 4 guys on the floor who the defense has to account for. 5 is obviously ideal, but 4 is sufficient. If he's around 31% from 3, that's really not good enough as the PF

In terms of stats, it's gonna be 3pt% and a:to ratio. I think he needs to hit at least 35% from 3 and have a 2:1 a:to ratio to be a good fit at the 4. Also needs to give consistent effort on defense, but that's an eye test thing, not a statistical thing.

I think he could get to that, he was shooting 37% from 3 in 12 games in January post OG trade before he got injured and overall percentage was weighed down a lot by the slow start to the season coming off the surgery, but the percentage is attainable

But now he is coming off shoulder surgery so that could also impact the shot, so I guess we will see

Meanwhile towns is arguably the best shooting big in nba history so we can’t go wrong there if they do bring him in as has been speculated

[DOT]

Meanwhile towns is arguably the best shooting big in nba history so we can’t go wrong there if they do bring him in as has been speculated

Too expensive

You can get away with it for this season, but you'd need to start making hard cuts this offseason.

[Iron Mantis]

What everyone needs to know: can Randle get it done in the playoffs?

Randle has the worst playoff PER in NBA History of any player putting up 12 shot attempts.

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[3toheadmelo]

Glad to know Randle can lead the Knicks in net rating and offensive rating on one ankle in the playoffs. Go Randle!

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[Iron Mantis]

The big thing is he needs to get over 34% from 3

You need at least 4 guys on the floor who the defense has to account for. 5 is obviously ideal, but 4 is sufficient. If he's around 31% from 3, that's really not good enough as the PF

In terms of stats, it's gonna be 3pt% and a:to ratio. I think he needs to hit at least 35% from 3 and have a 2:1 a:to ratio to be a good fit at the 4. Also needs to give consistent effort on defense, but that's an eye test thing, not a statistical thing.

Shot 25% from 3 in the 2023 playoffs.

Leon is smart not to extend him yet....much less throw him a huge contract before they see how he performs in the next playoffs.

[JayTWill]

It actually did because once Randle went down, we lost a bunch of more games. The record doesnt lie.
Knicks record without Randle this season: 21-15
Knicks record with Randle this season: 29-17

There's a reason why players were way more efficient when Randle was on the court versus when he wasn't.

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Randle's gravity in the paint is undeniable but it also comes in the form of a power forward that can be a highly questionable decision maker and a negative defender. You don't just get to have the gravity to open up more looks from 3 without the turnovers and lack of defense and inconsistent shooting. I didn't say he didn't bring any positives. I just questioned his overall impact. We have to look at Randle as a whole and not just what he is good at.

Edit - Question.... what do you think the Knicks' record would have been if Brunson went down with OG instead of Randle? I really want your honest opinion.

If Brunson went down with OG instead of Randle we would probably be around 21-17. We've seen Randle carry a bunch of scrubs to the playoffs like he did in 2020 so he probably can do it again. But we would miss Brunson and OG massively. If you think I'm trying to argue that Randle is more important than Brunson and OG then you have me mistaken. Brunson and OG have a better impact, but we still need Randle to be at our absolute best. The FO recognizes that, since they didn't give up Randle for Mikal like a lot of people were suggesting to do. The Knicks aren't gonna trade Randle unless they get a bonafide star back that commands double teams like Randle does. KAT ain't that. Giannis or Embiid? Yes. But for now, Randle is here to stay unless players of that caliber asks out.

We have also seen Randle completely self-destruct in 2021-22 when things got difficult so I am not exactly sure how he would have handled the situation Brunson was placed in with all the injuries to the team. I'm not as optimistic as you on that. Once again I did not say Randle was a negative player. I feel like he is a slightly positive player but I just don't think he is nearly as valuable as you make him out to be. You can't compare 12-14 games in January to what the team had to deal with for the rest of the season.

Prior to the OG trade I doubt that you would have ever admitted that OG could have a bigger impact on the team than Randle and I am sure there are receipts for that but he did because there is more to the game than just drawing an occasional double team. I'm not sure what Randle's future with the team is. I don't know if Brooklyn ever wanted him in the Mikal trade. I assume they would have preferred the picks and I can't see Randle as the centerpiece for some superstar trade with the team's limited remaining assets.

All I know is that he is soon to be 30 years old, has the ability to opt-out of his deal at the end of the season and he and the front office have not come to an agreement on an extension after extending Brunson. It is very fair to wonder about his fit and place on the team going forward based on what we have seen so far.

[Iron Mantis]

We have also seen Randle completely self-destruct in 2021-22 when things got difficult so I am not exactly sure how he would have handled the situation Brunson was placed in with all the injuries to the team. I'm not as optimistic as you on that. Once again I did not say Randle was a negative player. I feel like he is a slightly positive player but I just don't think he is nearly as valuable as you make him out to be. You can't compare 12-14 games in January to what the team had to deal with for the rest of the season.

Prior to the OG trade I doubt that you would have ever admitted that OG could have a bigger impact on the team than Randle and I am sure there are receipts for that but he did because there is more to the game than just drawing an occasional double team. I'm not sure what Randle's future with the team is. I don't know if Brooklyn ever wanted him in the Mikal trade. I assume they would have preferred the picks and I can't see Randle as the centerpiece for some superstar trade with the team's limited remaining assets.

All I know is that he is soon to be 30 years old, has the ability to opt-out of his deal at the end of the season and he and the front office have not come to an agreement on an extension after extending Brunson. It is very fair to wonder about his fit and place on the team going forward based on what we have seen so far.

Also he's coming off of a major surgery. They clearly want to evaluate how he looks on the court now.

Something else... It's hard to think Leon gave a superstar trade package for Mikal bridges to just play defense and stand in the corner on offense. They may very well envision him doing a lot more in the offense....is Randle willing to sacrifice? we'll see.

[3toheadmelo]

Randle's gravity in the paint is undeniable but it also comes in the form of a power forward that can be a highly questionable decision maker and a negative defender. You don't just get to have the gravity to open up more looks from 3 without the turnovers and lack of defense and inconsistent shooting. I didn't say he didn't bring any positives. I just questioned his overall impact. We have to look at Randle as a whole and not just what he is good at.

Edit - Question.... what do you think the Knicks' record would have been if Brunson went down with OG instead of Randle? I really want your honest opinion.

If Brunson went down with OG instead of Randle we would probably be around 21-17. We've seen Randle carry a bunch of scrubs to the playoffs like he did in 2020 so he probably can do it again. But we would miss Brunson and OG massively. If you think I'm trying to argue that Randle is more important than Brunson and OG then you have me mistaken. Brunson and OG have a better impact, but we still need Randle to be at our absolute best. The FO recognizes that, since they didn't give up Randle for Mikal like a lot of people were suggesting to do. The Knicks aren't gonna trade Randle unless they get a bonafide star back that commands double teams like Randle does. KAT ain't that. Giannis or Embiid? Yes. But for now, Randle is here to stay unless players of that caliber asks out.

We have also seen Randle completely self-destruct in 2021-22 when things got difficult so I am not exactly sure how he would have handled the situation Brunson was placed in with all the injuries to the team. I'm not as optimistic as you on that. Once again I did not say Randle was a negative player. I feel like he is a slightly positive player but I just don't think he is nearly as valuable as you make him out to be. You can't compare 12-14 games in January to what the team had to deal with for the rest of the season.

Prior to the OG trade I doubt that you would have ever admitted that OG could have a bigger impact on the team than Randle and I am sure there are receipts for that but he did because there is more to the game than just drawing an occasional double team. I'm not sure what Randle's future with the team is. I don't know if Brooklyn ever wanted him in the Mikal trade. I assume they would have preferred the picks and I can't see Randle as the centerpiece for some superstar trade with the team's limited remaining assets.

All I know is that he is soon to be 30 years old, has the ability to opt-out of his deal at the end of the season and he and the front office have not come to an agreement on an extension after extending Brunson. It is very fair to wonder about his fit and place on the team going forward based on what we have seen so far.

I wouldn't say he completely self destructed. That's too harsh. He just had a down year. That was 3 seasons ago. Also didn't help playing in a back court of Kemba walker and Evan Fournier so I'm not sure how much front court players would do well in that scenario anyways. He's been pretty good since then and was on his way to another all NBA selection before he got hurt.

We will have to agree to disagree on how valuable Randle is. We looked nearly unstoppable with our trio of Randle, Brunson and OG. So I don't really understand all the skepticism. Once Randle went down, we saw how important he was to the team. Relying on just Brunson was not sustainable. Knicks going all in on Mikal just shows how much confidence they have in Randle and the rest of this core. Brunson also talked about how he believes Randle can be that guy who can sacrifice his game this year in the press conference of his signing extension. Brunson still loves Randle as does dolan and the FO. They have no plans of getting rid of him.

I also don't get why you guys think that Randle has to sign an extension so urgently. He has until June 2025 to sign an extension. It seems obvious that the Knicks are trying to fill more holes (backup C) instead of focusing on an Randle extension.

[Clyde_Style]

It actually did because once Randle went down, we lost a bunch of more games. The record doesnt lie.
Knicks record without Randle this season: 21-15
Knicks record with Randle this season: 29-17

There's a reason why players were way more efficient when Randle was on the court versus when he wasn't.

Read on Twitter

Randle's gravity in the paint is undeniable but it also comes in the form of a power forward that can be a highly questionable decision maker and a negative defender. You don't just get to have the gravity to open up more looks from 3 without the turnovers and lack of defense and inconsistent shooting. I didn't say he didn't bring any positives. I just questioned his overall impact. We have to look at Randle as a whole and not just what he is good at.

Edit - Question.... what do you think the Knicks' record would have been if Brunson went down with OG instead of Randle? I really want your honest opinion.

Spot-on. Everybody will sht on Towns despite the better career numbers, fit and size. Randle gets the pass somehow. He’s a beast down low, but really careless with the ball and that’s just not what you want in the playoffs. For better or worse, KAT won’t put his head down and dribble into triple teams, that much is certain.

Let me add real quick that I don’t see many other better options over Randle than Towns, so to be fair, Randle is most certainly a great problem to have. But he will ultimately be your problem once teams start throwing all sorts of traps at him in the playoffs, blitz and maybe even box-and-one Brunson to force Randle into traffic. It will happen.

Good post

As of now, unless it is someone like KAT replacing him, Randle fills a need even if he is not the stretchiest of bigs.

Randle may be worth more to us anyway since there is good reason to think his trading market value may never be as high as we may want to speculate. Every club in the league knows he is a playoff choker so far and it minimizes what we can get for him.

Much as I would like to swap KAT for Randle I don't see why Minny would do it to be fair to them. If they did, then Leon is the GOAT.

I'm assuming Randle is going to be here for the playoffs and as much as I want him to redeem himself I also do not want him anywhere near the ball at crunch time. He's a mental midget under pressure.

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day 15

[Houston99]

trade him

[NoStatsGuy]

you guys still think KAT is gonna be in New York? cmon guys...

[Iron Mantis]

you guys still think KAT is gonna be in New York? cmon guys...

Many of us said "c'mon guys" when crazy people continually posted OG and Mikal trade ideas; meanwhile, the Knicks were suing the raptors and the Nets/Knicks hate each other and hadn't traded together in like 50 years.

But Leon gits 'er dun.

If Leon the Don wants to do a Randle for KAT swap to challenge the Celts.....the Wolves must oblige. It's an offer they can't refuse.



And if he doesn't want KAT then no trade happens....

[NoStatsGuy]

you guys still think KAT is gonna be in New York? cmon guys...

Many of us said "c'mon guys" when crazy people continually posted OG and Mikal trade ideas; meanwhile, the Knicks were suing the raptors and the Nets/Knicks hated each other and hadn't traded together in like 50 years.

But Leon gits 'er dun.

If Leon the Don wants to do a Randle for KAT swap to challenge the Celts.....the Wolves must oblige. It's an offer they can't refuse.



And if he doesn't want KAT then no trade happens....

i highly doubt Leon, Thibs or any of the players want that trade. Its just some of you in here

Not to mention the timberwolves. They just been to the conference finals, they wont break that team up just yet. or is KAT unhappy and i missed something? KAT doesnt seem unhappy to me

[Clyde_Style]

you guys still think KAT is gonna be in New York? cmon guys...

Many of us said "c'mon guys" when crazy people continually posted OG and Mikal trade ideas; meanwhile, the Knicks were suing the raptors and the Nets/Knicks hated each other and hadn't traded together in like 50 years.

But Leon gits 'er dun.

If Leon the Don wants to do a Randle for KAT swap to challenge the Celts.....the Wolves must oblige. It's an offer they can't refuse.



And if he doesn't want KAT then no trade happens....

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[Iron Mantis]

you guys still think KAT is gonna be in New York? cmon guys...

Many of us said "c'mon guys" when crazy people continually posted OG and Mikal trade ideas; meanwhile, the Knicks were suing the raptors and the Nets/Knicks hated each other and hadn't traded together in like 50 years.

But Leon gits 'er dun.

If Leon the Don wants to do a Randle for KAT swap to challenge the Celts.....the Wolves must oblige. It's an offer they can't refuse.



And if he doesn't want KAT then no trade happens....

i highly doubt Leon, Thibs or any of the players want that trade. Its just some of you in here

Not to mention the timberwolves. They just been to the conference finals, they wont break that team up just yet. or is KAT unhappy and i missed something? KAT doesnt seem unhappy to me

It's not just some of us in here.



https://www.si.com/nba/timberwolves/minnesota-timberwolves-rumors/karl-anthony-towns-to-the-knicks-rumors-revived-they-want-towns-01j2fknc72s5

“I don’t think they’re done. I think there’s one more move they want to make. I think there’s a big swing that they want to make," Powell said Tuesday on Knicks Fan TV, hinting that the Knicks not giving Julius Randle a contract extension could speak volumes about their intentions.

"I’ll tell you this: they’re bigger fans of Karl-Anthony Towns," Powell said. "They want Towns."

[Clyde_Style]

Leon:

Go Get KAT

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Knicks fan TV

[Iron Mantis]

Kendra Standle with the extra pissy panties this morning, policing tf outta this thread

[3toheadmelo]

Got the lil RJ Barb in his feelings cause I'm laughing at his posts. You should be honored for the free entertainment you're providing me!