Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Beal for Midds discussed last year

[Badgerlander]

This season, the league has arranged the schedule to make sure no team is on a back-to-back ahead of opening week national TV games, holiday games (Christmas and MLK) and before Saturday night showcase games on ABC throughout the season. In addition, no NBA Cup games will be played as the second game of a back-to-back.

A group of 11 teams have the most back-to-back games scheduled at 16 occurrences. This group includes the Atlanta Hawks, Cleveland Cavaliers, Denver Nuggets, Houston Rockets, LA Clippers, Milwaukee Bucks, New Orleans Pelicans, Oklahoma City Thunder, Phoenix Suns, Sacramento Kings and Washington Wizards.

A group of six teams have the fewest back-to-back games scheduled at 13 occurrences. This group includes the Boston Celtics, Chicago Bulls, Dallas Mavericks, Los Angeles Lakers, Orlando Magic and Portland Trail Blazers.

32 games are part of a back to back? For more than a third of the league? How is this getting WORSE?

Because they have rules in place that star players can’t sit out games anymore AND they paid for a study that “proves” resting players doesn’t protect them from injury

[kanyon]

We have a HUGE ROSTER GAP .... who plays PF when Giannis goes Center ? (Tyler Smith is not ready yet for that role, maybe in a couple of years).

Hoooooooooooorst fill that gap and I will buy you a house in Detroit in order to do your thing as their GM

Bobby + Prince are the answers, whether you like dem answers is another question.

[soxperry]

It's honestly embarrassing that the league has 53 national games between two teams (LA, GS) that are more likely to miss the playoffs than make them. You have so much young, exciting talent in this league right now, but you sure as hell wouldn't know it based on the TV schedule. Nobody markets their own product worse than the NBA.

I’m really hoping that with Amazon having league pass rights that they make it free and broadcast every game. I’m dying for them to complete their takeover of the nfl so I don’t get stuck with the Bears vs the Panthers when the Chiefs are playing the Ravens etc

Its 2024, man, if you cant find a way to watch chiefs vs ravens, thats on you.

[soxperry]

The 2031 1st should only be traded once it's clear this team...

Feels like a poll title.
I’ll go with the, “… won’t suck in 2031.” Option.

I would trade it for any starter-level player on a reasonable multi-year contract without regret. Evergreen post applying to all deep future draft picks.

I think up until 29 first i would have said that. 31, supremely unlikely that we have a playoff team. Its a golden egg. I would be aiming high.

[Badgerlander]

It's honestly embarrassing that the league has 53 national games between two teams (LA, GS) that are more likely to miss the playoffs than make them. You have so much young, exciting talent in this league right now, but you sure as hell wouldn't know it based on the TV schedule. Nobody markets their own product worse than the NBA.

I’m really hoping that with Amazon having league pass rights that they make it free and broadcast every game. I’m dying for them to complete their takeover of the nfl so I don’t get stuck with the Bears vs the Panthers when the Chiefs are playing the Ravens etc

Its 2024, man, if you cant find a way to watch chiefs vs ravens, thats on you.

true but in my mind amazon would figure out how to make enough add revenue that it wouldn’t cost me more than prime already does lol

[raferfenix]

Darvin got a lot of heat for starting Prince over Rui after Vanderbilt got hurt.

Seems clear he sees something there.

Prince being limited offensively doesn’t worry me since it seems like he can shoot just enough. The poor rebounding doesn’t seem great for him as a 4 but if he’s playing next to Giannis maybe that doesn’t matter as much.

Or Taurean is more of a backup 3 here.

As a starter, Prince averaged 9.6 points, 1.7 rebounds and 38.6% 3-point shooting in 30.4 minutes. The only role players given more minutes than the 3-and-D wing were Austin Reaves and D’Angelo Russell.

Obviously, it’s unfair to solely blame TP for the Lakers’ shortcomings early in the season, but since his minutes and usage were so high, his strengths and weaknesses were greatly exposed. The 6’6 forward caught a lot of flack for his inability to rebound, especially since the purple and gold were a below-average rebounding team and had a penchant for giving up second-chance opportunities.

It also didn’t help that Prince wasn’t giving enough offensively to justify the minutes he was receiving. He could score in different ways, but it was barely enough. Perhaps Prince’s best contribution was the fact that he was one of the team’s best 3-point shooters despite his early season slump as he converted 135 of his 346 attempts in the regular season. He didn’t live up to his promise of averaging 40% from the 3-point line but, at the very least, he performed better when his role was adjusted.

Prince was eventually demoted to the bench in favor of Hachimura in game 51. He went from playing 30.4 minutes as a starter to 21.8 as a primary option off the bench.

In the 29 games he played off the bench, TP averaged 8.0 points but converted 42.1% of his threes in 3.5 attempts per game. With fewer touches and minutes, he ended up being one of the few decent options off the bench. He succeeded in this minimalized role better and, if anything, it highlighted his ability to contribute on both ends of the floor.

Then came the playoffs against the Denver Nuggets, where TP surprisingly outplayed Hachimura. As the series went on, Ham relied on him more and it got to a point where Prince was one of the very few role players who consistently contributed.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2024/5/24/24160660/lakers-taurean-prince-season-review-player-recap-darvin-ham-starting-lineup

[old skool]

The NBA has not proved that load management does not protect players from injury. Rather, their study found that there is no proof that load management protects against injury. That is a nuanced but significant distinction.

[old skool]

In other "Bucks News", Larry Sanders has signed a 1 year contract to play for the Taiwan Beer Leopards in 2024-25. He turns 36 in November.

[jute2003]

In other "Bucks News", Larry Sanders has signed a 1 year contract to play for the Taiwan Beer Leopards in 2024-25. He turns 36 in November.

His hands and coordination were questionable when he was young and actually playing basketball. I can't imagine what he'll be like at 36 after smoking and finding himself or whatever the **** he was doing the last decade.

[Fotis St]

We have a HUGE ROSTER GAP .... who plays PF when Giannis goes Center ? (Tyler Smith is not ready yet for that role, maybe in a couple of years).

Hoooooooooooorst fill that gap and I will buy you a house in Detroit in order to do your thing as their GM

Bobby + Prince are the answers, whether you like dem answers is another question.

Bobby is too slow to be a modern 4 , at his age he is only a 5 and Prince is too little ... it is NOT a matter of taste ... they don't meet the basic to even label them as PF. This is beyond crazy, there over 4000 6'10 athletic pros all over the world, we somehow decided to blind ourselves with stupidity, stubborness and baptizing PFs players who aren't.

[Milbucks96]

Darvin got a lot of heat for starting Prince over Rui after Vanderbilt got hurt.

Seems clear he sees something there.

Prince being limited offensively doesn’t worry me since it seems like he can shoot just enough. The poor rebounding doesn’t seem great for him as a 4 but if he’s playing next to Giannis maybe that doesn’t matter as much.

Or Taurean is more of a backup 3 here.

As a starter, Prince averaged 9.6 points, 1.7 rebounds and 38.6% 3-point shooting in 30.4 minutes. The only role players given more minutes than the 3-and-D wing were Austin Reaves and D’Angelo Russell.

Obviously, it’s unfair to solely blame TP for the Lakers’ shortcomings early in the season, but since his minutes and usage were so high, his strengths and weaknesses were greatly exposed. The 6’6 forward caught a lot of flack for his inability to rebound, especially since the purple and gold were a below-average rebounding team and had a penchant for giving up second-chance opportunities.

It also didn’t help that Prince wasn’t giving enough offensively to justify the minutes he was receiving. He could score in different ways, but it was barely enough. Perhaps Prince’s best contribution was the fact that he was one of the team’s best 3-point shooters despite his early season slump as he converted 135 of his 346 attempts in the regular season. He didn’t live up to his promise of averaging 40% from the 3-point line but, at the very least, he performed better when his role was adjusted.

Prince was eventually demoted to the bench in favor of Hachimura in game 51. He went from playing 30.4 minutes as a starter to 21.8 as a primary option off the bench.

In the 29 games he played off the bench, TP averaged 8.0 points but converted 42.1% of his threes in 3.5 attempts per game. With fewer touches and minutes, he ended up being one of the few decent options off the bench. He succeeded in this minimalized role better and, if anything, it highlighted his ability to contribute on both ends of the floor.

Then came the playoffs against the Denver Nuggets, where TP surprisingly outplayed Hachimura. As the series went on, Ham relied on him more and it got to a point where Prince was one of the very few role players who consistently contributed.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2024/5/24/24160660/lakers-taurean-prince-season-review-player-recap-darvin-ham-starting-lineup

I don’t have any numbers, but I always felt like the Giannis at 5 lineups always suffered from a lack of rebounding and only worked when we had guards or pj that punched above their weight. I think Prince should solely play the 3.

[rayallenscalves]

I think Middleton is our small-ball 4. He's 6-8 with a 6-11 wingspan, has some heft, and has always been a decent rebounder.

Lillard
Trent
Wright/Prince
Midds
Giannis

Not super tall, but there's some good length in that lineup.

[emunney]

The NBA has not proved that load management does not protect players from injury. Rather, their study found that there is no proof that load management protects against injury. That is a nuanced but significant distinction.

Guess they're oversampling b2bs now to try to build some power into their estimates.

[raferfenix]

I think Middleton is our small-ball 4. He's 6-8 with a 6-11 wingspan, has some heft, and has always been a decent rebounder.

I don’t have any numbers, but I always felt like the Giannis at 5 lineups always suffered from a lack of rebounding and only worked when we had guards or pj that punched above their weight. I think Prince should solely play the 3.

Could definitely see Khris spending more time at the 4 as he gets older.

Looking more deeply into Prince's tenure with the Lakers made me more leery of relying on him too unfortunately...regardless of which forward spot he'd be at.

[AussieBuck]

I go back to Paul Pierce never seeming like a PF until he became one at the end of his career. This is my one point of optimism for Khris at the 4. Got my doubts about Khris being physical enough on D but we're not flush with options unless we start playing the young dudes. I'd be trying out Dre and Livingston first.

[Jez2983]

The NBA has not proved that load management does not protect players from injury. Rather, their study found that there is no proof that load management protects against injury. That is a nuanced but significant distinction.

Guess they're oversampling b2bs now to try to build some power into their estimates.

There is literally no intervention that exists that prevents injury.

As I've said 1000 times, load reduction is for risk management and performance enhancement. This is not specifically directed at you, but people seem unable to get past the idea that load management doesn't stop people hurting themselves.

[emunney]

The NBA has not proved that load management does not protect players from injury. Rather, their study found that there is no proof that load management protects against injury. That is a nuanced but significant distinction.

Guess they're oversampling b2bs now to try to build some power into their estimates.

There is literally no intervention that exists that prevents injury.

As I've said 1000 times, load reduction is for risk management and performance enhancement. This is not specifically directed at you, but people seem unable to get past the idea that load management doesn't stop people hurting themselves.

Do you mean to say no intervention that prevents all injury? Surely there are things you can do that can make some types of injury less likely, or is the "risk management" part pure fantasy?

My understanding of load management as practiced as that it's primarily about chronic injuries, specifically the types of repetitive stress injuries that are known to respond to rest. Is the performance aspect the bigger piece, or even the only piece with any validity?

I'll hang up and listen.

[ReasonablySober]

[Packbuckman]

I think Middleton is our small-ball 4. He's 6-8 with a 6-11 wingspan, has some heft, and has always been a decent rebounder.

Lillard
Trent
Wright/Prince
Midds
Giannis

Not super tall, but there's some good length in that lineup.

Ya I definitely can see Middleton playing more at the 4 I also would like to see Livingston getting some minutes there he’s not 6’10 but built like a linebacker with good athleticism he looked good in summer I hope he can build on that in training camp.

[Fotis St]

Middleton is not a 4 either. I'd rather play AJ Green at the 4 rather than Khris. Green has a good low gravity base and can stand in front of his man and box out, (I am mentioning Green at the 4 as an example to highlight our lack of a PF, I wouldn't play him at the 4 either) The only position we can hide Khris is strictly the 2 who are usually low usage guys,standing in the corner and shooting 3s after handover screens.