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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#101 » by Jikkle » Tue Aug 20, 2024 9:13 am

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Jikkle wrote:After 8 years of the Shanahan regime, I've learned not to really care about what happens during training camp or the preseason games especially offensively.

Now I'm not saying there isn't anything to take away from it but it always seems like we look like a mess during August and when week 1 rolls around the offense does just fine.

So as far as yesterday goes I couldn't care less about what the offense performed. Half the offensive line was gone and Purdy's number 1 option yesterday would be his 5th or 6th option if we played all our starters. I didn't like seeing Purdy take those hits but I also get why he would want to get out there and see some live action since you just can't replicate that in practice.

The only thing that peaked my concern a bit was the run defense looked eerily similar to last season in that it either got gashed for big gains or it completely stuffed the run.

I'd rather not see a year of inconsistent defense where they can look like the best in the league one drive and the next drive look like absolute garbage and get ran off the field.

And honestly I don't know if I can take another year of awful 3rd down defense. We were 27th in the league in terms of opponents 3rd down conversion rate at 42.47% and I might gouge my eyes out if I see another year of it being 3rd and 5 and all the DBs are giving like 5-yard cushions and it's just an easy pitch for catch for 7 yards for the conversion.


100% this. The inability of the defense to get off the dang field was maddening. I was basically never confident on 3rd down, that they were going to get a stop. And don't even get me started on 3rd & long situations. The defense was impressively bad in 3rd and longs. It was almost like the other teams game planned around getting into 3rd and longs, because the SF D was so constantly bad there.

I also don't want to hear any more about how supposedly great and talented the Dline is, while they are simultaneously getting routinely stonewalled by opposing O-lines, and the defense is getting gashed in the run game.

Oh, and I know he's hurt right now, but any time Ambry Thomas steps on the field for a meaningful snap the 9ers will continue to be playing 10 on 11. I honestly have no idea how that guy STILL is on the roster. He's basically always the worst 9er defender, and more often than not the worst player on the field overall. Hopefully, with the infusion of CB talent and depth, Ambry won't make final cuts.


I'm more critical of the defensive line and really the front 7 for the run defense. I didn't think the defensive line with the pass rush as people believed.

When you dig into the stats and maybe I'm interrupting the data wrong but the 9ers were 3rd in the league for QB hits but 18th in the league in sack percentage. When you look at the other 4 teams in the top 5 teams for QB hits all 4 of those teams were the top 1-4 in sack percentage. Now when you look at the Y/A given up the 9ers were a respectable 5th in the league at 6.4.

The way I interrupt all of that was the 9ers did get pressure but didn't get sacks because the ball was out of the QBs hands before they could get the QB sacked hence why they had a lot of hits but not the percentage of sacks that they should've had.

It's why I've been pounding the table for the defense to play more like the defenses that defeat our offense and that's have the DBs play man and beat up the WRs at the line, force the QB to hold the ball longer, and now some of those QB hits will become QB sacks.

Instead they play zone most of the time and the QB is able to just get the ball off quick into a hole in the coverage and it's a 1st down.

What they've been doing on defense for years even before Wilks is not give up big plays and play the percentages you'll eventually get a stop on somewhere along the drive.

As infuriating as the defense could be to watch I did in general feel like fans did overreact to it. They were still 3rd in the league in scoring and the reality is you're going to give up some big plays and some points. Your defense line is going to get stonewalled and you're in a league where if you get a sack on 9% of the snaps you see that's considered a really good year so over 90% of passing plays aren't going to end in a sack.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#102 » by Harry Palmer » Tue Aug 20, 2024 9:38 am

What do you guys think of our rookies (who have played) so far? I’m hearing good things about pretty much everyone who is healthy, Puni in particular but also Mustafa, Green and Cowling?
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#103 » by Pattersonca65 » Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:47 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:What do you guys think of our rookies (who have played) so far? I’m hearing good things about pretty much everyone who is healthy, Puni in particular but also Mustafa, Green and Cowling?


A lot of good press on them, It is preseason so hard to put too much into it but good news is better than bad news.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#104 » by WentzerWuver » Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:07 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:What do you guys think of our rookies (who have played) so far? I’m hearing good things about pretty much everyone who is healthy, Puni in particular but also Mustafa, Green and Cowling?


Not based off preseason but I am a big fan of day 3 picks Cowling and Guerendo as both should have an impact during the season. When it comes to backs, it's all about the ability to block and down field speed over brute strength for the 49ers. And I personally think Cowling will outplay Pearsall as a pro if both gets equal playing time without playing favorites as their Tank Dell.

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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#105 » by Big J » Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:19 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:What do you guys think of our rookies (who have played) so far? I’m hearing good things about pretty much everyone who is healthy, Puni in particular but also Mustafa, Green and Cowling?


Really like how Tanner Mordecai looked. With his skillset Kyle could easily mold him into the next Jimmy/Purdy type.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#106 » by WentzerWuver » Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:22 pm

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Harry Palmer wrote:What do you guys think of our rookies (who have played) so far? I’m hearing good things about pretty much everyone who is healthy, Puni in particular but also Mustafa, Green and Cowling?


Really like how Tanner Mordecai looked. With his skillset Kyle could easily mold him into the next Jimmy/Purdy type.
They will only keep 2 QB on the roster like most teams with the others placed in ps unless Purdy gets hurt.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#107 » by Big J » Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:57 pm

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Harry Palmer wrote:What do you guys think of our rookies (who have played) so far? I’m hearing good things about pretty much everyone who is healthy, Puni in particular but also Mustafa, Green and Cowling?


Really like how Tanner Mordecai looked. With his skillset Kyle could easily mold him into the next Jimmy/Purdy type.
They will only keep 2 QB on the roster like most teams with the others placed in ps unless Purdy gets hurt.


Yeah, I just don’t see paying Purdy $60 million a year as a viable option for a contending team, so it would be good to start trying to find the next guy.
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Post#108 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:15 pm

Feliciano to IR following knee surgery. Ugh. Good thing Puni has been crushing it, but with Banks and Burford struggling with injuries, and Brendel having some tendinitis issues, it would have been really nice to have Feliciano in the mix. Hopefully he comes back strong for the playoffs.
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Post#109 » by WentzerWuver » Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:25 pm

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Big J wrote:
Really like how Tanner Mordecai looked. With his skillset Kyle could easily mold him into the next Jimmy/Purdy type.
They will only keep 2 QB on the roster like most teams with the others placed in ps unless Purdy gets hurt.


Yeah, I just don’t see paying Purdy $60 million a year as a viable option for a contending team, so it would be good to start trying to find the next guy.
That will be the QB market for next off season but would only pay him the BIG 60 per if he can win without Aiyuk as his bail out guy to make him look elite. I think the FO realized this too and wouldn't mind trading Aiyuk for a solid OT and a future 1st. This whole getting a comparable wideout in return is BS cause they already have more top playmakers than any other team.

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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#110 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:26 pm

I had hoped Feliciano might be in the discussion to replace Brendel, for an interior of Banks, Feliciano, and Puni. I think that would be a pretty solid group if Banks can bounce back to his early season form.
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Post#111 » by Harry Palmer » Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:47 am

There seems to be a growing sense that Lenoir is moving up a notch or two. If that’s grounded, if we have two legit cover men, that could really change the texture of the defense.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#112 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:02 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:There seems to be a growing sense that Lenoir is moving up a notch or two. If that’s grounded, if we have two legit cover men, that could really change the texture of the defense.


Yeah, he's been getting rave reviews. I'd love to resolve the issues with Aiyuk and Trent so we could start looking into extending Lenoir this season, but that's probably a pipe dream. This organization used to extend promising players as soon as they could, which I generally agreed with. But the current FO seems to push it off as long as possible.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#113 » by arich35 » Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:17 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
Big J wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:They will only keep 2 QB on the roster like most teams with the others placed in ps unless Purdy gets hurt.


Yeah, I just don’t see paying Purdy $60 million a year as a viable option for a contending team, so it would be good to start trying to find the next guy.
That will be the QB market for next off season but would only pay him the BIG 60 per if he can win without Aiyuk as his bail out guy to make him look elite. I think the FO realized this too and wouldn't mind trading Aiyuk for a solid OT and a future 1st. This whole getting a comparable wideout in return is BS cause they already have more top playmakers than any other team.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/why-its-essential-49ers-pay-wr-brandon-aiyuk-keep-him-fold

https://youtube.com/shorts/JIjf8IqqcRQ?si=FATlrx_ahgeGGHyH


95% of QBs wouldn't look nearly as good without a WR1, Mahomes might be the one big exception.
Or maybe Aiyuk wouldn't be nearly as good without Purdy. Hmmmm
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#114 » by Big J » Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:32 pm

arich35 wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
Big J wrote:
Yeah, I just don’t see paying Purdy $60 million a year as a viable option for a contending team, so it would be good to start trying to find the next guy.
That will be the QB market for next off season but would only pay him the BIG 60 per if he can win without Aiyuk as his bail out guy to make him look elite. I think the FO realized this too and wouldn't mind trading Aiyuk for a solid OT and a future 1st. This whole getting a comparable wideout in return is BS cause they already have more top playmakers than any other team.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/why-its-essential-49ers-pay-wr-brandon-aiyuk-keep-him-fold

https://youtube.com/shorts/JIjf8IqqcRQ?si=FATlrx_ahgeGGHyH


95% of QBs wouldn't look nearly as good without a WR1, Mahomes might be the one big exception.
Or maybe Aiyuk wouldn't be nearly as good without Purdy. Hmmmm


This is the reason why we shouldn't sign Purdy to a big salary. Hard to sign elite weapons if your QB is eating up $60 million from the cap.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#115 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:45 pm

arich35 wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
Big J wrote:
Yeah, I just don’t see paying Purdy $60 million a year as a viable option for a contending team, so it would be good to start trying to find the next guy.
That will be the QB market for next off season but would only pay him the BIG 60 per if he can win without Aiyuk as his bail out guy to make him look elite. I think the FO realized this too and wouldn't mind trading Aiyuk for a solid OT and a future 1st. This whole getting a comparable wideout in return is BS cause they already have more top playmakers than any other team.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/why-its-essential-49ers-pay-wr-brandon-aiyuk-keep-him-fold

https://youtube.com/shorts/JIjf8IqqcRQ?si=FATlrx_ahgeGGHyH


95% of QBs wouldn't look nearly as good without a WR1, Mahomes might be the one big exception.
Or maybe Aiyuk wouldn't be nearly as good without Purdy. Hmmmm


Mahomes didn't look good for most of last year. The defense really carried that team as Mahomes checked down a ton and just tried to keep the offense on schedule. And he didn't look good for a lot of the super bowl. It was really just the last couple drives that things started to click for him. If Greenlaw had stayed in, if the officials had called the blatant hold on the crucial third down Mahomes converted with his legs, if Luter got away from that punt, if they had lost more than one of their five fumbles, that game never gets to OT.

For me, this was the hardest SB loss we've had for those reasons. It was ours, and it was almost a perfect storm of injuries (the Greenlaw one just such a fluke), bad bounces, bad officiating, and some questionable execution (playcalling and on the field) that combined to blow it.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#116 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:46 pm

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arich35 wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:That will be the QB market for next off season but would only pay him the BIG 60 per if he can win without Aiyuk as his bail out guy to make him look elite. I think the FO realized this too and wouldn't mind trading Aiyuk for a solid OT and a future 1st. This whole getting a comparable wideout in return is BS cause they already have more top playmakers than any other team.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/why-its-essential-49ers-pay-wr-brandon-aiyuk-keep-him-fold

https://youtube.com/shorts/JIjf8IqqcRQ?si=FATlrx_ahgeGGHyH


95% of QBs wouldn't look nearly as good without a WR1, Mahomes might be the one big exception.
Or maybe Aiyuk wouldn't be nearly as good without Purdy. Hmmmm


This is the reason why we shouldn't sign Purdy to a big salary. Hard to sign elite weapons if your QB is eating up $60 million from the cap.


That's fair, but it's an argument that could be made for about 28 QBs in this league. Which does raise the question if it isn't better to just try to cycle through QBs on rookie deals, though I don't know how sustainable that is. Whether you will acknowledge it or not, Purdy really is very unique as a player.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#117 » by Big J » Wed Aug 21, 2024 7:02 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Big J wrote:
arich35 wrote:
95% of QBs wouldn't look nearly as good without a WR1, Mahomes might be the one big exception.
Or maybe Aiyuk wouldn't be nearly as good without Purdy. Hmmmm


This is the reason why we shouldn't sign Purdy to a big salary. Hard to sign elite weapons if your QB is eating up $60 million from the cap.


That's fair, but it's an argument that could be made for about 28 QBs in this league. Which does raise the question if it isn't better to just try to cycle through QBs on rookie deals, though I don't know how sustainable that is. Whether you will acknowledge it or not, Purdy really is very unique as a player.


He's definitely outplayed his draft slot, and he's not a bad player... there are a lot of them out there. Just don't think he's good enough to carry the team without the guys we'd have to give up to pay him.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#118 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:18 pm

Big J wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
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This is the reason why we shouldn't sign Purdy to a big salary. Hard to sign elite weapons if your QB is eating up $60 million from the cap.


That's fair, but it's an argument that could be made for about 28 QBs in this league. Which does raise the question if it isn't better to just try to cycle through QBs on rookie deals, though I don't know how sustainable that is. Whether you will acknowledge it or not, Purdy really is very unique as a player.


He's definitely outplayed his draft slot, and he's not a bad player... there are a lot of them out there. Just don't think he's good enough to carry the team without the guys we'd have to give up to pay him.


Yeah, I don't think there are a lot of them out there. But there are legitimate concerns about paying him. Really only Mahomes has crushed consistently while getting top dollar, and as said, this year the defense played a bigger role than the offense. Brady took somewhat less - though usually with a lot guaranteed - and no one else has been able to consistently win championships while getting top dollar.
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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#119 » by WentzerWuver » Thu Aug 22, 2024 11:38 am

Big J wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Big J wrote:
This is the reason why we shouldn't sign Purdy to a big salary. Hard to sign elite weapons if your QB is eating up $60 million from the cap.


That's fair, but it's an argument that could be made for about 28 QBs in this league. Which does raise the question if it isn't better to just try to cycle through QBs on rookie deals, though I don't know how sustainable that is. Whether you will acknowledge it or not, Purdy really is very unique as a player.


He's definitely outplayed his draft slot, and he's not a bad player... there are a lot of them out there. Just don't think he's good enough to carry the team without the guys we'd have to give up to pay him.
You are so wrong as there are NOT many available can play consistently like Purdy does under pressure. Keep in mind, it's not just about physical ability but the mental aspect under stress where many starters continues to crumble like Cousins. The last QB for the 49ers to play like Purdy was an average joe type guy known to some as Joe Cool, which you probably need to look up to know who that was.

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Getting paid top money will always be debatable when compared to Mahomes, but to insinuate that many having the same fortitude with talent around them is another. As much as I love Hurts and his unstoppable tush push legs, I have to give the edge to Purdy as a better pocket QB and on handling intense pressure, especially on the big stage with the world watching in February against the magic of Mahomes.

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Re: 2024 Training Camp 

Post#120 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:37 pm

Niners brought back Logan Thomas. That's interesting, and could be very bad news for Latu. We have three pretty obvious TEs in this point in Kittle, Saubert, and Willis. After that, it seems like it's down to Latu and Tonges. I'd rather have Thomas out there as I don't think Tonges is much of a blocker either (honestly have no clue), and Thomas gives us a tolerable receiving threat at the position for the handful of games Kittle is likely to miss.

Hate cutting a third-round pick before he's seen the field in a real game, but Latu was an awful third-round pick, and if anything has been worse than expected.

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