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Post#921 » by dagger » Sun Jul 28, 2024 1:39 am

Considering the infielders added to the one area of the system with depth, 2B/SS/3B, I think we're closer to the end of Bo in Toronto, especially since Jimenez is playable. Also,IKF is becoming redundant, since Horwitz emerged as a playable 2B. Along with Kasevich and Nimmala, the Jays have good talent in the pipeline, and now add Coffey.

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The Jansen trade

The Blue Jays have a nice little prospect trio coming back in exchange for just two months of Jansen. Infielders Cutter Coffey and Eddinson Paulino, as well as minor league RHP Gilberto Batista, are heading Toronto in the deal.

Coffey, 20, is enjoying a bit of a breakthrough 2024 season after underwhelming in his first couple seasons in professional ball. Coffey, a second round pick by Boston in 2022, is slashing.238/.321/.463 for High-A Greenville this year. His 14 homers are more than double his original career-high of six from 2023. There’s considerable swing-and-miss in Coffey’s game but he’s growing into significant power and could profile as a power-first third baseman when all is said and done.

Paulino, 22, is a left-handed hitter with a bunch of fringy to average tools. He ranked no. 14 in the Red Sox system in our preseason top 30 and was set to rank no. 17 in our midseason update. He’s a performer and a gamer who gets the most out of the physical traits he has. Paulino is currently running a .263/.349/.391 slash with just three homers at Double-A Portland. His batted-ball data has backed up despite an impressive ground ball rate under 30 percent. Paulino’s versatility and polished left-handed approach should get him to the big leagues, though he’s unlikely to feature much impact in the box.

Batista, 19, is still developing in the Florida Complex League, though he’s shown punch out stuff and projects a fly-ball pitcher. It’s a four-pitch mix with a fastball touching 96, two breaking balls and the early clay of a changeup. It’s a starter operation, though Batista has battled below average control and command this season as evidenced by his 13 walks in just 20 innings pitched. He’s several years away, but it is pretty exceptional arm talent.


The Pearson trade
Toronto is acquiring left field prospect Yohendrick Pinango, 22, in the deal.

Pinango ranked as the no. 32 overall prospect in the Cubs system in our preseason ranks. He was set to jump into the top 20 in our midseason update. Pinango’s batted-ball data has ticked up in recent seasons and now projects at least above average raw power. His overall hit tool profile has also ticked up in 2024 at High-A South Bend, though it’s been tested and streaky flashing some 2023 trends since being promoted to Double-A Tennessee. He’s currently slashing .223/.316/.345 at Double-A with five homers. His 12.3 percent strikeout rate and 16.4 percent walk rate have scouts bullish the offensive tools will once again be represented in the slash line.

As a whole, Pinango has shown improved pitch selection and in-zone metrics this season. His limited athleticism will keep him in left field at the next level.

Importantly, Pinango will need to be added to the 40-man this winter to protect him from the Rule 5 draft.
Toronto is also acquiring shortstop Josh Rivera in the deal. Rivera, a third round pick in the 2023 draft, ranked as the no. 24 prospect in the Cubs system this preseason. He was not going to make the top-30 cut in our midseason update. Rivera has struggled to adjust to bigger stuff from opposing pitchers and was slashing .169/.277/.260 at Double-A Tennessee. His longer bat path has led to more whiffs than what he showed at the University of Florida ultimately negating what is solid-average raw power. The defensive actions remain strong and Rivera has done a nice job not allowing his woes at the plate to leak into his reliability on the dirt.

Considering the control years, athleticism, up-the-middle profile and lack of pressure to be placed on the 40-man roster, the case can be made Rivera is still a considerably better prospect than Pinango from a value/gamble perspective.


The Garcia trade
Clase, 22, ranked as our no. 11 prospect in the Mariners organization in preseason rankings and was set to rank no. 15 in the post-deadline midseason rankings. He made his major league debut this spring and is currently running a .195/.233/.220 slash in 43 plate appearances with the big league club. He’s been far more productive at Triple-A Tacoma where he boasts a .274/.373/.483 line with ten homers and 34 stolen bases.

The book on Clase is speed and sneaky thump. He’s still on the younger side but is physically maxed and does not figure to grow into much more physical tools. He’s a muscled-up corner outfielder with solid bat speed when he’s able to get to it in games. He projects a fourth outfielder in the big leagues with 60- to 70-grade speed that will undoubtedly play on the bases. He’s been a steal merchant throughout his minor league career as evidenced by the 79 bags he took in 2023. Clase has a ways to go in terms of defensive instincts and eye-test comfort in the outfield. His speed does make up for some noticeable warts in the routes department. The hit tool will ultimately dictate how high Clase’s role can climb. At times he looks overmatched, but with more seasoning and exposure to big league pitching Clase may grow more comfortable with what he’s seeing on a nightly basis. The hope would be that unlocks an average hit tool and the ability to get his ‘A-Swing’ off more consistently whilst projecting toward the back-third of a lineup.

The Blue Jays appear sunk in the playoff race in 2024 and changes needed to be made. They will be without Kevin Kiermaier (retirement) in 2025 and George Springer has lost a step too. Clase gives the Blue Jays options in the field and late in games and could ultimately blossom into a solid Role 5 position player if given the time and reps necessary to succeed.
The Mariners will also send catcher Jacob Sharp, 22, to the Blue Jays in the deal. Sharp was a 17th round selection in the 2023 Draft and is currently running a .255/.339/.435 slash at Class-A Modesto. Sharp has solid bat-to-ball skills and the ability to stick behind the plate going forward.

Trading Garcia all but signals to the league the Blue Jays’ intention to sell expiring contracts this deadline.
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Post#922 » by polo007 » Sun Jul 28, 2024 2:44 am

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Post#924 » by bluerap23 » Fri Aug 2, 2024 12:50 pm

dagger wrote:Considering the infielders added to the one area of the system with depth, 2B/SS/3B, I think we're closer to the end of Bo in Toronto, especially since Jimenez is playable. Also,IKF is becoming redundant, since Horwitz emerged as a playable 2B. Along with Kasevich and Nimmala, the Jays have good talent in the pipeline, and now add Coffey.


I don't see it. This team has gotten worse on offence (again). Unless Shapiro is fired in the off-season, they will want to compete next year. In order to do that they will need a healthy Bo in the lineup. I expect they will look to add middle of the order bats, not subtract further.
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Post#925 » by JTT » Fri Aug 2, 2024 7:48 pm

bluerap23 wrote:
dagger wrote:Considering the infielders added to the one area of the system with depth, 2B/SS/3B, I think we're closer to the end of Bo in Toronto, especially since Jimenez is playable. Also,IKF is becoming redundant, since Horwitz emerged as a playable 2B. Along with Kasevich and Nimmala, the Jays have good talent in the pipeline, and now add Coffey.


I don't see it. This team has gotten worse on offence (again). Unless Shapiro is fired in the off-season, they will want to compete next year. In order to do that they will need a healthy Bo in the lineup. I expect they will look to add middle of the order bats, not subtract further.

I agree with this. I don’t doubt they trade Bo, but if they do, I think they’ll go the free agent route ala WIllie Adames to replace him. For me, Jimenez has a lot to prove yet. He’s managed to advance through each level adequately, but never dominated. So far, I think he’s one of those guys that pass the eye test but not the numbers one. As for the others, none, with the exception of Nimmala are really outstanding prospects and even he’s more pedigree than results.

I really hope I’m wrong though, and one of these guys clicks.
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Re: 2024 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread 

Post#926 » by dagger » Sat Aug 3, 2024 1:16 pm

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dagger wrote:Considering the infielders added to the one area of the system with depth, 2B/SS/3B, I think we're closer to the end of Bo in Toronto, especially since Jimenez is playable. Also,IKF is becoming redundant, since Horwitz emerged as a playable 2B. Along with Kasevich and Nimmala, the Jays have good talent in the pipeline, and now add Coffey.


I don't see it. This team has gotten worse on offence (again). Unless Shapiro is fired in the off-season, they will want to compete next year. In order to do that they will need a healthy Bo in the lineup. I expect they will look to add middle of the order bats, not subtract further.

I agree with this. I don’t doubt they trade Bo, but if they do, I think they’ll go the free agent route ala WIllie Adames to replace him. For me, Jimenez has a lot to prove yet. He’s managed to advance through each level adequately, but never dominated. So far, I think he’s one of those guys that pass the eye test but not the numbers one. As for the others, none, with the exception of Nimmala are really outstanding prospects and even he’s more pedigree than results.

I really hope I’m wrong though, and one of these guys clicks.


When you go there free agent route, you have the ability to put your money on the best player and not on a position. Teams can win with a really good defensive SS with an adequate bat if they have strong bats elsewhere in the lineup. We saw Lapordipo and Jimenez combine to gun down a runner at the plate last night, and that was quite a throw by Jimenez from the edge of the outfield.

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At SS, it would be unwise to lock into a long-term Springer-type deal when there is a lot of SS/3B type talent in the system to work with. You put your money where it will do the most beneficial near-term benefit and not become an unmovable value-killer when a better option presents itself.

If Arjun Nimmala can stick at SS, he's your impact bat in the making, with 11 homers and 10 doubles so far, at 18, playing a level above where his age suggests. Prospect raters have said all season the Jays have been extremely bullish with Nimmala, if anything he's a victim of MiLB's elimination of the short-season rookie league which was a notch above the FCL but a notch below full season A. Yet Nimmala is hanging in there at Dunedin nicely. On Thursday he had his first 3-5 game, with a homer and double. It's too soon to pronounce him the NEXT BIG THING in Blue Jay land, but one is entitled to be very encouraged by his play. Right now, I'd probably look to free agency for a power DH. If you move Bo's $17 million next season for prospects, that's money you can use - along with the money saved on IKF - to make a bigger splash in free agency while setting things up for an even bigger pushing in 2026 and beyond from the farm system. Move Bo for a couple of high end pitching prospects, and voila! Maybe Yesavage is the real deal by 2026, and maybe Tiedemann is a player for 2026. You then have a road map for replacing Gausman and Bassit without resorting to free agency.

It's intriguing that since the cleanout of under-performing veterans plus IKF happened, the offence is up - at least the run-scoring is up, if not the home run power. Clement and Horwitz have been nice, and placing one of them in front of Vlad has helped him. And the talent being added to the farm system will push not only the veterans, but also these recent additions. Will Wagner, for example, is almost as hot as Horwitz was when he was called up. He was 2-3 with a homer last night. Wagner is the same age (26) as Davis Schneider, so the latter ought not to get too comfortable. With Horwitz at 2B and Laporfido in LF, it's getting harder to find starts for Schneider, who has been struggling. Competition is good...
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Re: 2024 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread 

Post#927 » by Harry Palmer » Sat Aug 3, 2024 5:48 pm

dagger wrote:
JTT wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
I don't see it. This team has gotten worse on offence (again). Unless Shapiro is fired in the off-season, they will want to compete next year. In order to do that they will need a healthy Bo in the lineup. I expect they will look to add middle of the order bats, not subtract further.

I agree with this. I don’t doubt they trade Bo, but if they do, I think they’ll go the free agent route ala WIllie Adames to replace him. For me, Jimenez has a lot to prove yet. He’s managed to advance through each level adequately, but never dominated. So far, I think he’s one of those guys that pass the eye test but not the numbers one. As for the others, none, with the exception of Nimmala are really outstanding prospects and even he’s more pedigree than results.

I really hope I’m wrong though, and one of these guys clicks.


When you go there free agent route, you have the ability to put your money on the best player and not on a position. Teams can win with a really good defensive SS with an adequate bat if they have strong bats elsewhere in the lineup. We saw Lapordipo and Jimenez combine to gun down a runner at the plate last night, and that was quite a throw by Jimenez from the edge of the outfield.

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At SS, it would be unwise to lock into a long-term Springer-type deal when there is a lot of SS/3B type talent in the system to work with. You put your money where it will do the most beneficial near-term benefit and not become an unmovable value-killer when a better option presents itself.

If Arjun Nimmala can stick at SS, he's your impact bat in the making, with 11 homers and 10 doubles so far, at 18, playing a level above where his age suggests. Prospect raters have said all season the Jays have been extremely bullish with Nimmala, if anything he's a victim of MiLB's elimination of the short-season rookie league which was a notch above the FCL but a notch below full season A. Yet Nimmala is hanging in there at Dunedin nicely. On Thursday he had his first 3-5 game, with a homer and double. It's too soon to pronounce him the NEXT BIG THING in Blue Jay land, but one is entitled to be very encouraged by his play. Right now, I'd probably look to free agency for a power DH. If you move Bo's $17 million next season for prospects, that's money you can use - along with the money saved on IKF - to make a bigger splash in free agency while setting things up for an even bigger pushing in 2026 and beyond from the farm system. Move Bo for a couple of high end pitching prospects, and voila! Maybe Yesavage is the real deal by 2026, and maybe Tiedemann is a player for 2026. You then have a road map for replacing Gausman and Bassit without resorting to free agency.

It's intriguing that since the cleanout of under-performing veterans plus IKF happened, the offence is up - at least the run-scoring is up, if not the home run power. Clement and Horwitz have been nice, and placing one of them in front of Vlad has helped him. And the talent being added to the farm system will push not only the veterans, but also these recent additions. Will Wagner, for example, is almost as hot as Horwitz was when he was called up. He was 2-3 with a homer last night. Wagner is the same age (26) as Davis Schneider, so the latter ought not to get too comfortable. With Horwitz at 2B and Laporfido in LF, it's getting harder to find starts for Schneider, who has been struggling. Competition is good...



I like this approach. My only reservation is that, with this front office, if they splurge for a DH you know it’s gonna be a defensive specialist.
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Post#928 » by ItsDanger » Sun Aug 4, 2024 5:07 pm

Nimmala strikeout rate is terrible for A level. He's young still so that has to improve significantly.
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Post#929 » by polo007 » Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:39 pm

Blue Jays' top pick Trey Yesavage: 'I'm ready to get to work' - TSN.ca

Toronto Blue Jays top draft pick Trey Yesavage signed a deal with the club on August 1st, and after spending a week in Dunedin, he is taking in the sights and sounds, and touring the facilities in Toronto. He joined the media to discuss joining the big club, and how he plans to improve moving forward.
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Post#933 » by Lateral Quicks » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:34 pm

13 HRs in A-ball is very impressive for an 18-year-old in A ball. That said, a K rate of ~33% is out of control.

Overall I'd say it's a very promising year for Nimmala, but he's got some work to do before moving to New Hampshire.

At his age and playing a premium position, he definitely deserves to be a top prospect.
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Post#934 » by JTT » Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:23 pm

Lateral Quicks wrote:13 HRs in A-ball is very impressive for an 18-year-old in A ball. That said, a K rate of ~33% is out of control.

Overall I'd say it's a very promising year for Nimmala, but he's got some work to do before moving to New Hampshire.

At his age and playing a premium position, he definitely deserves to be a top prospect.

Keep in mind that he’s in low A. A move to Vancouver would theoretically be next and given his early struggles with an aggressive promotion and the still very high k rate, I wouldn’t expect them to jump him two levels.

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Post#935 » by dagger » Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:50 pm

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Lateral Quicks wrote:13 HRs in A-ball is very impressive for an 18-year-old in A ball. That said, a K rate of ~33% is out of control.

Overall I'd say it's a very promising year for Nimmala, but he's got some work to do before moving to New Hampshire.

At his age and playing a premium position, he definitely deserves to be a top prospect.

Keep in mind that he’s in low A. A move to Vancouver would theoretically be next and given his early struggles with an aggressive promotion and the still very high k rate, I wouldn’t expect them to jump him two levels.

Of course, I’m usually wrong about these things.


Nimmala is doing great things in Low A with a 170-pound, 18 year old body. As he fills in, he could be our best position player prospect in many years, probably since Vlad was coming up. I am a great fan of in-season progression. I watch for the prospects who raise their numbers over the course of the season, suggesting they are mastering the level they are at and potentially due a promotion, if not now, then coming out of spring training for sure. Here is Nimmala's August so far.

.338 .368 .662 1.030

he has K'd 18 times in 64 plate appearances. So a 28% rate. He had six homers in July and four so far in August. In all, he has12 extra base hits this month. Here's his homer yesterday.

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Post#936 » by -MetA4- » Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:51 pm

Nimmala's K-rate is 30.8% in 39 games since rejoining Dunedin. Its still high, but it isn't anything crazy. His strikeout problems are more-so a result of poor pitch recognition right now, which you would expect will get better with more pro at-bats.

For comparison, Jasson Dominguez had a 31.3% K-rate in A ball at the same age (18) with nowhere near the power that Nimmala is showing. The power (.258 ISO) is incredibly good for an 18 year old.
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Post#938 » by dagger » Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:11 pm

A couple of other minor leaguers having a nice August at the plate:

Jace Bohrofen at Vancouver. He's playing all the outfield positions at Vancouver.
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Alan Roden at Buffalo, left and right field.
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One of Roden's strengths is that his numbers vs left and right handers are roughly equal. He bats left. And while it's a small sample at AAA, he hits for higher numbers with runners on base.

Since the AAA season runs well into September, I'm guessing they will leave Roden there for now, he doesn't have to be put on the 40 man roster to protect him from the Rule 5 draft, but with a plethora of candidates for second based corner outfield jobs (Horwitz, Wagner, Orelvis Martinez, Roden and Closse as outfielders) if I were Davis Schneider, I'm not buying real estate in Toronto.
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Post#939 » by Jerry Lucas » Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:39 pm

Lateral Quicks wrote:13 HRs in A-ball is very impressive for an 18-year-old in A ball. That said, a K rate of ~33% is out of control.

Overall I'd say it's a very promising year for Nimmala, but he's got some work to do before moving to New Hampshire.

At his age and playing a premium position, he definitely deserves to be a top prospect.

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Post#940 » by dagger » Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:51 pm

Nimmala is one reason I don't want to give Bo Bichette a big extension. I'm not buying the media leaks that Bo wants out, he's a professional down on himself for a crappy season. But we have a lot of good SS prospect options. So I'd rather go with them, move his money to a big FA signing, say, an impact bat. Besides Nimmala, we have Leo Jimenez, but also Josh Kasevich hitting well at every level. He lacks the desired power, but as reliable contact hitter who can genuinely play SS (better than Bo), I'm all aboard with him as a possible placeholder until Nimmala gets to the majors.

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Very small sample, but Kasevich's line at Buffalo is... .346 .382 .423 .805 He may be a better bet, hitting in the bottom third of the order, to get a rally started or to keep one going than some of the guys we have right now. He just has a knack for good contact.
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