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[JujitsuFlip]

Maybe we just thought JT Thor was a better move for us?

Maybe, but if they offered Yabusele a 2way contract, that was their first mistake.

There's more guaranteed PT in Philly than there is in Cleveland. Which is the common theme here: you want to be attractive to guys on minimum deals, you have to give them a rotation spot. Philly only has Caleb Martin at the 4. Yabusele might beat him out in camp and start.

Surprised Yabusele was willing to take the minimum, but it's all to set up a real future NBA contract. His priority needed to be playing time, and Mobley/Wade/Niang are all in the way in Cleveland.

Wade is never healthy and plays a lot of 3 too, he's a non-factor. Niang was awful in the playoffs and with jb gone, there's no guarantee he will be forced into the back-up 4 spot.

I just think it's a missed opportunity for the Cavs. I get it, they're trying to build the back part of their roster, mainly their big rotation with expierenced guys on 2way deals, so there's no cap implications but i think it's just not a great strategy.

[toooskies]

Maybe, but if they offered Yabusele a 2way contract, that was their first mistake.

There's more guaranteed PT in Philly than there is in Cleveland. Which is the common theme here: you want to be attractive to guys on minimum deals, you have to give them a rotation spot. Philly only has Caleb Martin at the 4. Yabusele might beat him out in camp and start.

Surprised Yabusele was willing to take the minimum, but it's all to set up a real future NBA contract. His priority needed to be playing time, and Mobley/Wade/Niang are all in the way in Cleveland.

Wade is never healthy and plays a lot of 3 too, he's a non-factor. Niang was awful in the playoffs and with jb gone, there's no guarantee he will be forced into the back-up 4 spot.

I just think it's a missed opportunity for the Cavs. I get it, they're trying to build the back part of their roster, mainly their big rotation with expierenced guys on 2way deals, so there's no cap implications but i think it's just not a great strategy.

Maybe Yabusele could've won the backup 4 job for us and pushed Wade to the 3, Niang to the deep bench. If he plays that well he's going to start over Martin for a contender in Philly with more visibility across the league. It's more opportunity.

Our main opportunity to get him would've been to pay him more than Philly. Effectively trading Niang or rescinding Okoro's QO to make a better offer. (Or going into the tax.)

[JujitsuFlip]

There's more guaranteed PT in Philly than there is in Cleveland. Which is the common theme here: you want to be attractive to guys on minimum deals, you have to give them a rotation spot. Philly only has Caleb Martin at the 4. Yabusele might beat him out in camp and start.

Surprised Yabusele was willing to take the minimum, but it's all to set up a real future NBA contract. His priority needed to be playing time, and Mobley/Wade/Niang are all in the way in Cleveland.

Wade is never healthy and plays a lot of 3 too, he's a non-factor. Niang was awful in the playoffs and with jb gone, there's no guarantee he will be forced into the back-up 4 spot.

I just think it's a missed opportunity for the Cavs. I get it, they're trying to build the back part of their roster, mainly their big rotation with expierenced guys on 2way deals, so there's no cap implications but i think it's just not a great strategy.

Maybe Yabusele could've won the backup 4 job for us and pushed Wade to the 3, Niang to the deep bench. If he plays that well he's going to start over Martin for a contender in Philly with more visibility across the league. It's more opportunity.

Our main opportunity to get him would've been to pay him more than Philly. Effectively trading Niang or rescinding Okoro's QO to make a better offer. (Or going into the tax.)

Cavs should have did 1 of those things a month ago. The lack of moves this summer is mind numbing.

[toooskies]

Wade is never healthy and plays a lot of 3 too, he's a non-factor. Niang was awful in the playoffs and with jb gone, there's no guarantee he will be forced into the back-up 4 spot.

I just think it's a missed opportunity for the Cavs. I get it, they're trying to build the back part of their roster, mainly their big rotation with expierenced guys on 2way deals, so there's no cap implications but i think it's just not a great strategy.

Maybe Yabusele could've won the backup 4 job for us and pushed Wade to the 3, Niang to the deep bench. If he plays that well he's going to start over Martin for a contender in Philly with more visibility across the league. It's more opportunity.

Our main opportunity to get him would've been to pay him more than Philly. Effectively trading Niang or rescinding Okoro's QO to make a better offer. (Or going into the tax.)

Cavs should have did 1 of those things a month ago. The lack of moves this summer is mind numbing.

Who would've taken our $8.5m or less and a fringe rotation spot over the money + role they got elsewhere? And is that player better than Niang, Okoro, or whatever we'd have given up to get them?

I mean, DFS for (Okoro, LeVert, Niang + Wade, whatever) should be on the table still and is just as executable today as it was in July. It'll also be available at the trade deadline.

What we saw from the front office is, we need to evaluate what we've got outside the context of JBB to see who was being held back and who he was coaching up.

[JujitsuFlip]

Maybe Yabusele could've won the backup 4 job for us and pushed Wade to the 3, Niang to the deep bench. If he plays that well he's going to start over Martin for a contender in Philly with more visibility across the league. It's more opportunity.

Our main opportunity to get him would've been to pay him more than Philly. Effectively trading Niang or rescinding Okoro's QO to make a better offer. (Or going into the tax.)

Cavs should have did 1 of those things a month ago. The lack of moves this summer is mind numbing.

Who would've taken our $8.5m or less and a fringe rotation spot over the money + role they got elsewhere? And is that player better than Niang, Okoro, or whatever we'd have given up to get them?

I mean, DFS for (Okoro, LeVert, Niang + Wade, whatever) should be on the table still and is just as executable today as it was in July. It'll also be available at the trade deadline.

What we saw from the front office is, we need to evaluate what we've got outside the context of JBB to see who was being held back and who he was coaching up.

How could i possibly know that Toooskies? lol

Possible at the trade deadline only matters, if the tax isn't calculated on the 1st day of the regular season. Which i emailed Terry Pluto and he did not know the answer to that, so maybe I'll reach out to Fedor.

The front office waiting for Kenny to get back from the Olympics to start their free agency period is asinine. It's not 1492, everyone has a smart phone now days.

[toooskies]

Cavs should have did 1 of those things a month ago. The lack of moves this summer is mind numbing.

Who would've taken our $8.5m or less and a fringe rotation spot over the money + role they got elsewhere? And is that player better than Niang, Okoro, or whatever we'd have given up to get them?

I mean, DFS for (Okoro, LeVert, Niang + Wade, whatever) should be on the table still and is just as executable today as it was in July. It'll also be available at the trade deadline.

What we saw from the front office is, we need to evaluate what we've got outside the context of JBB to see who was being held back and who he was coaching up.

How could i possibly know that Toooskies? lol

Possible at the trade deadline only matters, if the tax isn't calculated on the 1st day of the regular season. Which i emailed Terry Pluto and he did not know the answer to that, so maybe I'll reach out to Fedor.

The front office waiting for Kenny to get back from the Olympics to start their free agency period is asinine. It's not 1492, everyone has a smart phone now days.

Just tell me who got signed to under $10m this year that you'd rather have than Okoro (or Niang and the picks to dump him) that would've had as good or better a spot in our rotation than the team they signed with.

[JujitsuFlip]

Who would've taken our $8.5m or less and a fringe rotation spot over the money + role they got elsewhere? And is that player better than Niang, Okoro, or whatever we'd have given up to get them?

I mean, DFS for (Okoro, LeVert, Niang + Wade, whatever) should be on the table still and is just as executable today as it was in July. It'll also be available at the trade deadline.

What we saw from the front office is, we need to evaluate what we've got outside the context of JBB to see who was being held back and who he was coaching up.

How could i possibly know that Toooskies? lol

Possible at the trade deadline only matters, if the tax isn't calculated on the 1st day of the regular season. Which i emailed Terry Pluto and he did not know the answer to that, so maybe I'll reach out to Fedor.

The front office waiting for Kenny to get back from the Olympics to start their free agency period is asinine. It's not 1492, everyone has a smart phone now days.

Just tell me who got signed to under $10m this year that you'd rather have than Okoro (or Niang and the picks to dump him) that would've had as good or better a spot in our rotation than the team they signed with.

I personally don't think Niang is dumpable, since the Cavs don't have a 1st until literally 7 years from now.

As far as Okoro, if the guy only wants to take the QO or higher, I'd take anyone over him bc as I've stated before, he is not a guy you go into the tax for, especially not on an expiring deal.

[toooskies]

How could i possibly know that Toooskies? lol

Possible at the trade deadline only matters, if the tax isn't calculated on the 1st day of the regular season. Which i emailed Terry Pluto and he did not know the answer to that, so maybe I'll reach out to Fedor.

The front office waiting for Kenny to get back from the Olympics to start their free agency period is asinine. It's not 1492, everyone has a smart phone now days.

Just tell me who got signed to under $10m this year that you'd rather have than Okoro (or Niang and the picks to dump him) that would've had as good or better a spot in our rotation than the team they signed with.

I personally don't think Niang is dumpable, since the Cavs don't have a 1st until literally 7 years from now.

As far as Okoro, if the guy only wants to take the QO or higher, I'd take anyone over him bc as I've stated before, he is not a guy you go into the tax for, especially not on an expiring deal.

But if you can get Okoro for a contract starting at $8.5m and sign Travers to roster spot #14, is that the best possible outcome?

Or are you advocating for change for its own sake? Especially if you thought JBB was a particularly bad coach, Atkinson, Bryant, and the rest of the coaching staff refresh should be enough to at least envision the possibility of improvement.

[JujitsuFlip]

Just tell me who got signed to under $10m this year that you'd rather have than Okoro (or Niang and the picks to dump him) that would've had as good or better a spot in our rotation than the team they signed with.

I personally don't think Niang is dumpable, since the Cavs don't have a 1st until literally 7 years from now.

As far as Okoro, if the guy only wants to take the QO or higher, I'd take anyone over him bc as I've stated before, he is not a guy you go into the tax for, especially not on an expiring deal.

But if you can get Okoro for a contract starting at $8.5m and sign Travers to roster spot #14, is that the best possible outcome?

Or are you advocating for change for its own sake? Especially if you thought JBB was a particularly bad coach, Atkinson, Bryant, and the rest of the coaching staff refresh should be enough to at least envision the possibility of improvement.

Free agency has been open for over 7 weeks. If Okoro was willing to accept a contract (from the Cavs or any of the other 29 teams) with a year 1 salary starting at or below $8.5 million, he would've did it by now.

It is Sexton all over again. Cavs are not going into the tax for either guy, they have their number in mind and are telling the player and their agent, if they do not like it, go get an offer sheet for more. Neither guy proved to be able to find an offer sheet for more.

Edit: jb was an awful coach, Cavs still have to have 14 players on standard contracts by October 21st, ideally sooner than later.

[JonFromVA]

I personally don't think Niang is dumpable, since the Cavs don't have a 1st until literally 7 years from now.

As far as Okoro, if the guy only wants to take the QO or higher, I'd take anyone over him bc as I've stated before, he is not a guy you go into the tax for, especially not on an expiring deal.

But if you can get Okoro for a contract starting at $8.5m and sign Travers to roster spot #14, is that the best possible outcome?

Or are you advocating for change for its own sake? Especially if you thought JBB was a particularly bad coach, Atkinson, Bryant, and the rest of the coaching staff refresh should be enough to at least envision the possibility of improvement.

Free agency has been open for over 7 weeks. If Okoro was willing to accept a contract (from the Cavs or any of the other 29 teams) with a year 1 salary starting at or below $8.5 million, he would've did it by now.

It is Sexton all over again. Cavs are not going into the tax for either guy, they have their number in mind and are telling the player and their agent, if they do not like it, go get an offer sheet for more. Neither guy proved to be able to find an offer sheet for more.

Edit: jb was an awful coach, Cavs still have to have 14 players on standard contracts by October 21st, ideally sooner than later.

Yet, Okoro hasn't given up and just taken the QO, and the Cavs haven't given up and dropped the QO; so it's just going to play out until one side or the other makes a decision. The Mitchell trade is what eventually got Sexton paid, so, why shouldn't Isaac hold out hope for something similar?

If lightning doesn't strike twice, taking the Cavs offer and playing 3 more years with a defined role before becoming a UFA right as he enters his prime is not a bad option.

[JujitsuFlip]

But if you can get Okoro for a contract starting at $8.5m and sign Travers to roster spot #14, is that the best possible outcome?

Or are you advocating for change for its own sake? Especially if you thought JBB was a particularly bad coach, Atkinson, Bryant, and the rest of the coaching staff refresh should be enough to at least envision the possibility of improvement.

Free agency has been open for over 7 weeks. If Okoro was willing to accept a contract (from the Cavs or any of the other 29 teams) with a year 1 salary starting at or below $8.5 million, he would've did it by now.

It is Sexton all over again. Cavs are not going into the tax for either guy, they have their number in mind and are telling the player and their agent, if they do not like it, go get an offer sheet for more. Neither guy proved to be able to find an offer sheet for more.

Edit: jb was an awful coach, Cavs still have to have 14 players on standard contracts by October 21st, ideally sooner than later.

Yet, Okoro hasn't given up and just taken the QO, and the Cavs haven't given up and dropped the QO; so it's just going to play out until one side or the other makes a decision. The Mitchell trade is what eventually got Sexton paid, so, why shouldn't Isaac hold out hope for something similar?

If lightning doesn't strike twice, taking the Cavs offer and playing 3 more years with a defined role before becoming a UFA right as he enters his prime is not a bad option.

Well, we don't want Okoro to take the QO, unless Dan is okay with paying the tax, which the Cavs as a whole clearly aren't.

If Okoro does that, there is gonna be a chain reaction with some guys traded. Hence why we have Bates, Nance, Travers, Burns and Brobley all just lingering around the team yet no one has a contract.

I mean for the Cavs, of course Okoro on a cost controlled deal is good, we have no clue what Okoro thinks he's worth, when it comes to AAV. Clearly that is the sticking point the past 7 weeks.

[toooskies]

Free agency has been open for over 7 weeks. If Okoro was willing to accept a contract (from the Cavs or any of the other 29 teams) with a year 1 salary starting at or below $8.5 million, he would've did it by now.

It is Sexton all over again. Cavs are not going into the tax for either guy, they have their number in mind and are telling the player and their agent, if they do not like it, go get an offer sheet for more. Neither guy proved to be able to find an offer sheet for more.

Edit: jb was an awful coach, Cavs still have to have 14 players on standard contracts by October 21st, ideally sooner than later.

Yet, Okoro hasn't given up and just taken the QO, and the Cavs haven't given up and dropped the QO; so it's just going to play out until one side or the other makes a decision. The Mitchell trade is what eventually got Sexton paid, so, why shouldn't Isaac hold out hope for something similar?

If lightning doesn't strike twice, taking the Cavs offer and playing 3 more years with a defined role before becoming a UFA right as he enters his prime is not a bad option.

Well, we don't want Okoro to take the QO, unless Dan is okay with paying the tax, which the Cavs as a whole clearly aren't.

If Okoro does that, there is gonna be a chain reaction with some guys traded. Hence why we have Bates, Nance, Travers, Burns and Brobley all just lingering around the team yet no one has a contract.

I mean for the Cavs, of course Okoro on a cost controlled deal is good, we have no clue what Okoro thinks he's worth, when it comes to AAV. Clearly that is the sticking point the past 7 weeks.

Okoro would have reason to believe he's worth Dylan Brooks/Jaden McDaniels money and the Cavs have reason to believe he's worth less than DJJ money.

There's a gap, though, between what you're worth and what you can get due to the cap. The cap only going up 3.36% really screwed Okoro. Bad year to be a free agent. (Next year? Probably a pretty good year to be a free agent.)

It wouldn't surprise me if the Cavs have contingencies if Okoro signs the QO. Maybe they already have deals locked in but as soon as they make the deal they lose a little bit of leverage with Okoro, so they don't want to make it until Okoro resolves. Maybe they're still actively exploring Okoro trades but other front offices are vacationing in August.

[JujitsuFlip]

Yet, Okoro hasn't given up and just taken the QO, and the Cavs haven't given up and dropped the QO; so it's just going to play out until one side or the other makes a decision. The Mitchell trade is what eventually got Sexton paid, so, why shouldn't Isaac hold out hope for something similar?

If lightning doesn't strike twice, taking the Cavs offer and playing 3 more years with a defined role before becoming a UFA right as he enters his prime is not a bad option.

Well, we don't want Okoro to take the QO, unless Dan is okay with paying the tax, which the Cavs as a whole clearly aren't.

If Okoro does that, there is gonna be a chain reaction with some guys traded. Hence why we have Bates, Nance, Travers, Burns and Brobley all just lingering around the team yet no one has a contract.

I mean for the Cavs, of course Okoro on a cost controlled deal is good, we have no clue what Okoro thinks he's worth, when it comes to AAV. Clearly that is the sticking point the past 7 weeks.

Okoro would have reason to believe he's worth Dylan Brooks/Jaden McDaniels money and the Cavs have reason to believe he's worth less than DJJ money.

There's a gap, though, between what you're worth and what you can get due to the cap. The cap only going up 3.36% really screwed Okoro. Bad year to be a free agent. (Next year? Probably a pretty good year to be a free agent.)

It wouldn't surprise me if the Cavs have contingencies if Okoro signs the QO. Maybe they already have deals locked in but as soon as they make the deal they lose a little bit of leverage with Okoro, so they don't want to make it until Okoro resolves. Maybe they're still actively exploring Okoro trades but other front offices are vacationing in August.

There's 0% chance I'm paying Okoro $21.5 million AAV or $26.2 million AAV, cat isn't worth that and if him and his reps believe that, they're out to lunch.

The Cavs obviously believe he is worth less than $10 million AAV, if the rumors of the deal they offered him are to be believed.

I'm sure the Cavs do have a plan if Okoro signs the QO, that is why they have no rescinded it.

[toooskies]

Well, we don't want Okoro to take the QO, unless Dan is okay with paying the tax, which the Cavs as a whole clearly aren't.

If Okoro does that, there is gonna be a chain reaction with some guys traded. Hence why we have Bates, Nance, Travers, Burns and Brobley all just lingering around the team yet no one has a contract.

I mean for the Cavs, of course Okoro on a cost controlled deal is good, we have no clue what Okoro thinks he's worth, when it comes to AAV. Clearly that is the sticking point the past 7 weeks.

Okoro would have reason to believe he's worth Dylan Brooks/Jaden McDaniels money and the Cavs have reason to believe he's worth less than DJJ money.

There's a gap, though, between what you're worth and what you can get due to the cap. The cap only going up 3.36% really screwed Okoro. Bad year to be a free agent. (Next year? Probably a pretty good year to be a free agent.)

It wouldn't surprise me if the Cavs have contingencies if Okoro signs the QO. Maybe they already have deals locked in but as soon as they make the deal they lose a little bit of leverage with Okoro, so they don't want to make it until Okoro resolves. Maybe they're still actively exploring Okoro trades but other front offices are vacationing in August.

There's 0% chance I'm paying Okoro $21.5 million AAV or $26.2 million AAV, cat isn't worth that and if him and his reps believe that, they're out to lunch.

The Cavs obviously believe he is worth less than $10 million AAV, if the rumors of the deal they offered him are to be believed.

I'm sure the Cavs do have a plan if Okoro signs the QO, that is why they have no rescinded it.

Pretty sure no one is saying the Cavs should pay Okoro $20m except his agent.

[JujitsuFlip]

Okoro would have reason to believe he's worth Dylan Brooks/Jaden McDaniels money and the Cavs have reason to believe he's worth less than DJJ money.

There's a gap, though, between what you're worth and what you can get due to the cap. The cap only going up 3.36% really screwed Okoro. Bad year to be a free agent. (Next year? Probably a pretty good year to be a free agent.)

It wouldn't surprise me if the Cavs have contingencies if Okoro signs the QO. Maybe they already have deals locked in but as soon as they make the deal they lose a little bit of leverage with Okoro, so they don't want to make it until Okoro resolves. Maybe they're still actively exploring Okoro trades but other front offices are vacationing in August.

There's 0% chance I'm paying Okoro $21.5 million AAV or $26.2 million AAV, cat isn't worth that and if him and his reps believe that, they're out to lunch.

The Cavs obviously believe he is worth less than $10 million AAV, if the rumors of the deal they offered him are to be believed.

I'm sure the Cavs do have a plan if Okoro signs the QO, that is why they have no rescinded it.

Pretty sure no one is saying the Cavs should pay Okoro $20m except his agent.

You said Okoro would have reason to believe he's worth Dillon Brooks/Jaden McDaniels money.

Brooks is $21.5 million AAV and McDaniels is $26.2 million AAV.

I was just saying, i wouldn't give him anywhere near that, because he's not worth it.

[toooskies]

There's 0% chance I'm paying Okoro $21.5 million AAV or $26.2 million AAV, cat isn't worth that and if him and his reps believe that, they're out to lunch.

The Cavs obviously believe he is worth less than $10 million AAV, if the rumors of the deal they offered him are to be believed.

I'm sure the Cavs do have a plan if Okoro signs the QO, that is why they have no rescinded it.

Pretty sure no one is saying the Cavs should pay Okoro $20m except his agent.

You said Okoro would have reason to believe he's worth Dillon Brooks/Jaden McDaniels money.

Brooks is $21.5 million AAV and McDaniels is $26.2 million AAV.

I was just saying, i wouldn't give him anywhere near that, because he's not worth it.

Yep. I'm just saying the agent walks into negotiations with that number and the QO looks pretty bad with that expectation. Okoro can say he's Brooks without the attitude and bad shots. He arguably was better on offense than McDaniels last year and a similar caliber of defender.

[JujitsuFlip]

Pretty sure no one is saying the Cavs should pay Okoro $20m except his agent.

You said Okoro would have reason to believe he's worth Dillon Brooks/Jaden McDaniels money.

Brooks is $21.5 million AAV and McDaniels is $26.2 million AAV.

I was just saying, i wouldn't give him anywhere near that, because he's not worth it.

Yep. I'm just saying the agent walks into negotiations with that number and the QO looks pretty bad with that expectation. Okoro can say he's Brooks without the attitude and bad shots. He arguably was better on offense than McDaniels last year and a similar caliber of defender.

Brooks and McDaniels are both All-Defense, Okoro cannot say he's like them at all.

They're both actually taller than 6'4".

Brooks may take bad shots but the guy has been a dang near 20 PPG scorer several times. Okoro has never broke 10ppg for any season in his career.

I'd rather a guy take bad shots than be scared to shoot. Hence why I'm high on Strus and most other people didn't want to sign him.

Okoro is more like DJJ than he is Brooks or McDaniels and even then, that guy is more athletic than Okoro could ever dream of being.

[toooskies]

You said Okoro would have reason to believe he's worth Dillon Brooks/Jaden McDaniels money.

Brooks is $21.5 million AAV and McDaniels is $26.2 million AAV.

I was just saying, i wouldn't give him anywhere near that, because he's not worth it.

Yep. I'm just saying the agent walks into negotiations with that number and the QO looks pretty bad with that expectation. Okoro can say he's Brooks without the attitude and bad shots. He arguably was better on offense than McDaniels last year and a similar caliber of defender.

Brooks and McDaniels are both All-Defense, Okoro cannot say he's like them at all.

They're both actually taller than 6'4".

Brooks may take bad shots but the guy has been a dang near 20 PPG scorer several times. Okoro has never broke 10ppg for any season in his career.

I'd rather a guy take bad shots than be scared to shoot. Hence why I'm high on Strus and most other people didn't want to sign him.

Okoro is more like DJJ than he is Brooks or McDaniels and even then, that guy is more athletic than Okoro could ever dream of being.

Brooks is listed at 6'6", same as Okoro, with only a 6'6" wingspan. I think high volume with low efficiency is a much worse trait than low volume with high efficiency, and Brooks has been sub-LeVert efficiency on his career (without the passing or rebounding). Okoro had a higher score in EPM, LEBRON, DWS, DBPM than Brooks last year, and that was a GOOD year for Brooks. We talk about Okoro not producing in the playoffs but Brooks had a much worse playoffs before he was a free agent.

Jaden McDaniels got his contract before he was named to an all-defense team and had a worse BPM than Okoro when he signed his extension. Last year McDaniels posted a negative VORP, because somehow despite being taller, Okoro outrebounded McDaniels. The Wolves played much worse when McDaniels was on the court last year. Okoro has had a more efficient TS% every year of his career compared to McDaniels.

The only difference is both of the above have had some playoff success, and while Okoro's on/off playoff stats look good, the perception is that he was individually bad despite the team playing better with him out there.

Okoro may not have a case for being quite as valuable as either of those guys but the Cavs also don't have a case for him not being close. The justification for giving him such a low contract offer is that they simply can't afford it and stay under the tax. If the cap went up 10% this year, they would've had space for more moves.

The Cavs can't afford losing rotation spots as they head into the tax next year. That's the biggest threat to our ongoing success-- after the core four, we have Strus and Tyson locked in but we have likely planned on dropping LeVert since the day he signed his contract. Merrill is going to be a UFA next year. Wade and Niang are hard to project as guys who will stay in the rotation, and our group of second rounders hasn't produced any promising cheap rotation guys yet.

The Cavs gambled that Okoro wouldn't get offers that he'd accept and they won that gamble. Now they're playing hardball to either keep Okoro for cheap or move him for another piece, and that doesn't really have an effect on the team until games start being played in October, so I'm in no rush for that to be resolved.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/news/breaking-atlanta-hawks-reportedly-sign-former-nba-1st-round-pick-windler

Easy come, easy go, he's a Hawk now. Why do people keeping picking this guy up? lol

Nice guy to help fill out the end of your bench?

Dylan even though he hasn't had a listed injury since last season, hasn't played more than 8 minutes in a game since the end of the 21-22 season.

So maybe he just hasn't been given a chance or maybe there's a reason nobody is bothering to give him a chance.

We could probably use him tonight ... geez

They granted him an extra year of 2way eligibility this season, so i assume next season when teams can't just bring on a 27 (28) year old guy with no cap implications who can theoretically shoot, his NBA market will dry up.

So far this season between the Knicks, Lakers, and Hawks they've paid him a combined $659,454 against the cap.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/dylan-windler-headed-to-nbl/

Well, as expected, the Windler NBA saga has finally concluded.

[JonFromVA]

Nice guy to help fill out the end of your bench?

Dylan even though he hasn't had a listed injury since last season, hasn't played more than 8 minutes in a game since the end of the 21-22 season.

So maybe he just hasn't been given a chance or maybe there's a reason nobody is bothering to give him a chance.

We could probably use him tonight ... geez

They granted him an extra year of 2way eligibility this season, so i assume next season when teams can't just bring on a 27 (28) year old guy with no cap implications who can theoretically shoot, his NBA market will dry up.

So far this season between the Knicks, Lakers, and Hawks they've paid him a combined $659,454 against the cap.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/dylan-windler-headed-to-nbl/

Well, as expected, the Windler NBA saga has finally concluded.

For a minute there it looked like Windler had a chance to become an elite shooter for us with solid length and athleticism.