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Re: OK, so you are temporarily the Commish - what do you do? 

Post#41 » by Ssj16 » Fri Aug 23, 2024 12:16 am

Edrees wrote:I would insitutte these rules for flopping whether it's called by the refs or not. Any potential flop would be reviewed by a a team of experts after each game to ensure it's truly a flop to prevent either from punishing someone who didn't flop or not catching something this is a flop. If the flop is too close to call (ie, if there is actual contact made on the play), it is not counted as an offense.

1st offense - 5 game ban
2nd offense - 40 game ban
3rd offense - season ban
4th offense - your team will be penalized picks. This is to ensure coaches and owners instruct players not to flop and are scared to sign floppers.

Again, the refs wouldn't decide this but a special team after games would carefully analyze footage.


I'm on board with this except I think your penalties are too harsh. I think starting off with fines that grow and progressively lead to suspension is a more fair process and less extreme.
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Post#42 » by Nate505 » Fri Aug 23, 2024 12:24 am

Move the 3 point line back, or make a FG worth 3 point and a current 3 pointer worth a 4. Something has to be done to fix this garbage.

Then hand out techs like candy for the whiney players. Who cares if they all get ejected early in the season. Clowns like Draymond Green and Luka shouldn't be able to run their mouths the whole game.

Then make it so the first 8 lottery spots are up for grabs, then it goes by record. That would completely end tanking, or at least put a massive dent into it. 4 spots doesn't go far enough.
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Post#43 » by Bankai » Fri Aug 23, 2024 12:28 am

Dig up where David Stern "buried the bodies". Stern probably hid a lot of scandals around the NBA.
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Post#44 » by SlimShady83 » Fri Aug 23, 2024 12:30 am

magee wrote:1-on-1 during All-Star Break.


3on3, 2on2 Instead of the actual all star game :)
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Post#45 » by Tony Parker » Fri Aug 23, 2024 12:31 am

Remove free throws. All fouls= one more possession, 2 for flagrant etc.
1 Timemout per team and half.

Point: Speeding the game up, noone got 2,5+ hours
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Post#46 » by SlimShady83 » Fri Aug 23, 2024 12:36 am

Nate505 wrote:Move the 3 point line back, or make a FG worth 3 point and a current 3 pointer worth a 4. Something has to be done to fix this garbage.


Just make anything after half way a 4point shot LOL
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Post#47 » by stillgotgame » Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:06 am

Lower the season to 80 games
Get rid of most of the preseason
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Pay out $1M to the franchise for the winner of every regular season game. Charge $1M for every loss. At the end of the season if a team goes 20-60 then management owes $40M. If you go 50-30 the team profits another $20M. This will make every game count.
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Post#48 » by Ssj16 » Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:48 pm

Nate505 wrote:Move the 3 point line back, or make a FG worth 3 point and a current 3 pointer worth a 4. Something has to be done to fix this garbage.

Then hand out techs like candy for the whiney players. Who cares if they all get ejected early in the season. Clowns like Draymond Green and Luka shouldn't be able to run their mouths the whole game.

Then make it so the first 8 lottery spots are up for grabs, then it goes by record. That would completely end tanking, or at least put a massive dent into it. 4 spots doesn't go far enough.


How does changing FGs to be worth 3 and the current 3-pointer worth 4 change anything? From an analytics standpoint, teams would still be incentivized to go for the "4pt" shot, unless I'm missing something here.
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Post#49 » by dockingsched » Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:51 pm

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Nate505 wrote:Move the 3 point line back, or make a FG worth 3 point and a current 3 pointer worth a 4. Something has to be done to fix this garbage.

Then hand out techs like candy for the whiney players. Who cares if they all get ejected early in the season. Clowns like Draymond Green and Luka shouldn't be able to run their mouths the whole game.

Then make it so the first 8 lottery spots are up for grabs, then it goes by record. That would completely end tanking, or at least put a massive dent into it. 4 spots doesn't go far enough.


How does changing FGs to be worth 3 and the current 3-pointer worth 4 change anything? From an analytics standpoint, teams would still be incentivized to go for the "4pt" shot, unless I'm missing something here.


It reduces the value of the “3-pt shot”

3 is 50% bigger than 2

With that change, a 4 is only 33% bigger than 3.
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Post#50 » by Ssj16 » Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:53 pm

Meat wrote:these suggestions are so stupid, less games? rules to make the games slower? you know the point of the league is to make money right?


Regarding lowering the amount of games, the idea is that you improve the quality of the regular season. Think about how many players miss games just for the sake of rest. Shorter season, fewer injuries, fresher legs, and hypothetically, the games should be better.

From here, you can work on a model to try and charge more per game whether it's charging more at the arena or charging your sponsors more for ad time.

I personally think it's BS when you have a team like Denver, who's going to play the Lakers for a marquee game but they are coming off playing the night before in a different city. I definitely think b2bs diminish the quality of the game so I think this is a worthwhile discussion. Or at the very least, extend the season 2 weeks to try and eliminate b2bs in an 82-game setting.
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Post#51 » by Ssj16 » Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:00 pm

dockingsched wrote:
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Nate505 wrote:Move the 3 point line back, or make a FG worth 3 point and a current 3 pointer worth a 4. Something has to be done to fix this garbage.

Then hand out techs like candy for the whiney players. Who cares if they all get ejected early in the season. Clowns like Draymond Green and Luka shouldn't be able to run their mouths the whole game.

Then make it so the first 8 lottery spots are up for grabs, then it goes by record. That would completely end tanking, or at least put a massive dent into it. 4 spots doesn't go far enough.


How does changing FGs to be worth 3 and the current 3-pointer worth 4 change anything? From an analytics standpoint, teams would still be incentivized to go for the "4pt" shot, unless I'm missing something here.


It reduces the value of the “3-pt shot”

3 is 50% bigger than 2

With that change, a 4 is only 33% bigger than 3.


I'm still not seeing how 3 is %50 bigger than 2. Can you simplify the math even more?

For instance
Team A scores 3 Two Points = 6
Team B scores 3 Three Points = 9

Team A scores 3 Three Points = 9
Team B scores 3 Four Points = 12

or

Team A scores 10 Two Points = 20
Team B scores 10 Three Points = 30

Team A scores 10 Three Points = 30
Team B scores 10 Four Points = 40

In both examples, the point differential is the same regardless if you go with the 2/3 point system or the 3/4 point system.
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Post#52 » by SaveTheHens » Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:05 pm

Id beef up on the reffing situation, create better tracking systems of refs, both statistically through film but also qualitatively having a ref-report line that if players or coaches feel like they're being targetted, they can explain a situation, gets filed, and over time if a ref keeps showing a history of letting their own emotions affect the game they can be given warnings and workshops or let go if they dont get better. Maybe even having some experts weigh in on rule changes near end of game situations or having more challenges, it's annoying for sure to waste more time but it sucks losing in a way where if the rules were called right your team would've had it, or had a chance at it but don't end up getting that opportunity because of some faulty call.

Otherwise I think generally the NBA is pretty fine right now, maybe reduce the amount of gambling promotion on nba.com & whatnot but from a game perspective I like the rules, I just want a bit more consistency & lack of doubt that the refs make biased calls when sometimes it really seems like they do.
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Post#53 » by SaveTheHens » Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:16 pm

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dockingsched wrote:
Ssj16 wrote:
How does changing FGs to be worth 3 and the current 3-pointer worth 4 change anything? From an analytics standpoint, teams would still be incentivized to go for the "4pt" shot, unless I'm missing something here.


It reduces the value of the “3-pt shot”

3 is 50% bigger than 2

With that change, a 4 is only 33% bigger than 3.


I'm still not seeing how 3 is %50 bigger than 2. Can you simplify the math even more?

For instance
Team A scores 3 Two Points = 6
Team B scores 3 Three Points = 9

Team A scores 3 Three Points = 9
Team B scores 3 Four Points = 12

or

Team A scores 10 Two Points = 20
Team B scores 10 Three Points = 30

Team A scores 10 Three Points = 30
Team B scores 10 Four Points = 40

In both examples, the point differential is the same regardless if you go with the 2/3 point system or the 3/4 point system.



From a different statistical sense it does make sense that the 3pt shot would lose value. Today lets say a pretty solid 2pt percentage is 50%. To match that 50% you'd have to shoot 33.3% from 3 to get the same value of points per possession (in a rough way, 2pt shots also have an increased chance of being fouled too).
So over 100 shots, a person shooting 2's at 50% would make 50 2's for 100 points. A person shooting 33% would hit 33 3's for 99 points (basically the same).
Over 100 shots at 3 & 4 pointers, a 50% shooter on 2pt fg's would get 150 points, whereas a 33% shooter over 100 shots would get 33x4 = 132 points. In this case shooting more efficient 2 pters may incentivize bringing more 2 pters back to the game again, open shots for C's or postups, a little bit more midrange may be prioritized more too. It would be interesting to incentivize the old style of postup basketball again, but id only want to see it as a temporary project rather than keep the rules like that forever.
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Post#54 » by wegotthabeet » Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:20 pm

twozeroMM wrote:1. Implementing the FIBA rules without the goaltending rule.
2. 72 games.
3. Moving Memphis and New Orleans to the eastern conference. Hello Seattle and Vegas.
4. Rid of these apron rules.


Hello math.
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Post#55 » by dockingsched » Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:24 pm

Ssj16 wrote:
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How does changing FGs to be worth 3 and the current 3-pointer worth 4 change anything? From an analytics standpoint, teams would still be incentivized to go for the "4pt" shot, unless I'm missing something here.


It reduces the value of the “3-pt shot”

3 is 50% bigger than 2

With that change, a 4 is only 33% bigger than 3.


I'm still not seeing how 3 is %50 bigger than 2. Can you simplify the math even more?

For instance
Team A scores 3 Two Points = 6
Team B scores 3 Three Points = 9

Team A scores 3 Three Points = 9
Team B scores 3 Four Points = 12

or

Team A scores 10 Two Points = 20
Team B scores 10 Three Points = 30

Team A scores 10 Three Points = 30
Team B scores 10 Four Points = 40

In both examples, the point differential is the same regardless if you go with the 2/3 point system or the 3/4 point system.


I see your point, but you have to add in probability of each shot going in, they’re not all created equal. How bout this admittedly simple look at it.

Last season the league average for 3-pt shot was 37%, so basically teams were averaging 1.11 points per 3pt shot.

That means teams had to shoot 56% on 2point shots to make it as valuable to them (1.11 pts) compared to a 3.

With this change, 37% on 4 point shots would be worth 1.48 pts per possession. In this case, a team would only have to shoot 49% inside the arc instead of 55% to match the 1.48 pts per possession, making it more likely they shoot those type of shots.
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Post#56 » by wegotthabeet » Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:29 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Reduce the season to 72-74 games and eliminate B2Bs, cancel ASW and move the NBA cup to this time slot.


That's actually a great suggestion but I doubt players would ever agree to their break being taken away from them.

Not everybody wants to go to work on their off day lol


Only 4 teams make it to the semi finals and final, so 87% of the players still get their break, if they insist they can always tank the cup games :wink:


Just give the winner a playoff spot and they’ll show up and ball out.
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Post#57 » by MarcusBrody » Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:29 pm

twozeroMM wrote:1. Implementing the FIBA rules without the goaltending rule.
2. 72 games.
3. Moving Memphis and New Orleans to the eastern conference. Hello Seattle and Vegas.
4. Rid of these apron rules.


If you move two teams to the East and add two to the West, you end up with 17 in the East and 15 in the West.

I'm with most people about wanting a bit more defensive oriented officiating, but it's tricky to actually legislate. One thing I would constantly make a point about though is moving screens. Eliminate moving screens and you have a lot less overpowered pick and rolls and a lot of what people want to do by re-allowing hand checking would take care of itself without adding lots more grabbing. That one would be pretty straightforward.

The hard one is where the offensive player creates contact then goes flying, drawing a whistle. Guards driving seem to get a huge amount of leeway when they drive into big men, but some front court players like Embiid are masters too. They're skilled at drawing these fouls, so it's hard to differentiate real fouls from less so. Still, I believe the league could do it. Was it two years that they started out swallowing the whistle for the first two months before going back to normal? That seemed pretty ideal levels of physicality vs. offensive flow to me and you did see the exact players you'd expect have scoring drops vs. the players aiming to make shots.
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Post#58 » by Ssj16 » Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:37 pm

dockingsched wrote:
Ssj16 wrote:
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It reduces the value of the “3-pt shot”

3 is 50% bigger than 2

With that change, a 4 is only 33% bigger than 3.


I'm still not seeing how 3 is %50 bigger than 2. Can you simplify the math even more?

For instance
Team A scores 3 Two Points = 6
Team B scores 3 Three Points = 9

Team A scores 3 Three Points = 9
Team B scores 3 Four Points = 12

or

Team A scores 10 Two Points = 20
Team B scores 10 Three Points = 30

Team A scores 10 Three Points = 30
Team B scores 10 Four Points = 40

In both examples, the point differential is the same regardless if you go with the 2/3 point system or the 3/4 point system.


I see your point, but you have to add in probability of each shot going in, they’re not all created equal. How bout this admittedly simple look at it.

Last season the league average for 3-pt shot was 37%, so basically teams were averaging 1.11 points per 3pt shot.

That means teams had to shoot 56% on 2point shots to make it as valuable to them (1.11 pts) compared to a 3.

With this change, 37% on 4 point shots would be worth 1.48 pts per possession. In this case, a team would only have to shoot 49% inside the arc instead of 55% to match the 1.48 pts per possession, making it more likely they shoot those type of shots.


Thanks for the breakdown.
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Post#59 » by gavran » Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:42 pm

Embiid.
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Post#60 » by John Murdoch » Fri Aug 23, 2024 6:48 pm

Tbh Silver should poll the fans on like nba.com after ever season and ask this very question
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