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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#401 » by danfantastk32 » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:13 pm

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I agree with the suggestions in the video. Not only do 3 point shooters could help on offense. There are still ways to use a non shooter in half court sets.



I don't get the reasoning for spending effort on a guy who can't shoot. If there's an open drive to the basket, do it...and you'll get rewarded. In the meantime....work on your shot, or the NBA is gonna move on without you.

Every shot he takes is a shot someone else doesn't. Seems like our efforts would be better spent elsewhere, instead of trying to get Vando's PPG into the double digits.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#402 » by stan francisco » Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:35 pm

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zuju wrote:

I agree with the suggestions in the video. Not only do 3 point shooters could help on offense. There are still ways to use a non shooter in half court sets.



I don't get the reasoning for spending effort on a guy who can't shoot. If there's an open drive to the basket, do it...and you'll get rewarded. In the meantime....work on your shot, or the NBA is gonna move on without you.

Every shot he takes is a shot someone else doesn't. Seems like our efforts would be better spent elsewhere, instead of trying to get Vando's PPG into the double digits.


He’s our most valuable defender after AD. Why not work on every player’s weakness? Add a simple but efficient offensive output to Vando’s defense (which when he’s healthy is elite) and we have a beast on the cheap.

I co-sign the skepticism in the video that we under Reddick won’t play as much inside out and low-post banging as we should. With our size we should attack starting down low and kick it out for open threes, not make it our second option to jacking up jumpers.

I want to see some triangle motions.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#403 » by DanishLakerFan » Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:27 am

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tamaraw08 wrote:
I watched a few games where I saw Lebron constantly yelling at Lonnie for missed rotations and taking bad shots.
He went from getting 6.5 Mil from the Lakers to just 2.3 Mil with the Nets the year after and I believe still couldn't find any team to sign him with with his very decent stats.


Fair. But he actually did see his minutes go up as the playoffs went along when he was with LA. Would prefer him over Reddish.


oh hell no! :banghead: One of Rob's biggest mistakes was giving this Scam guy a player option. :banghead:
I'll rather see anybody else including Stanley Johnson a shot than Cam Reddish.


I actually didn't mind trying him out, given his position, size, age etc. But he has to go.
That goes for Hayes as well. I never saw any logic in that signing.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#404 » by danfantastk32 » Thu Aug 22, 2024 6:49 am

stan francisco wrote:Why not work on every player’s weakness?


A) that's what the offseason is for. These guys make the fantasy money. It's a carnival world for them, not a 9to5er...so get your ass in the gym and sort your shot out.

B) I'll assume he has worked a ton on his shot...along with every staff he's been with since junior high. Some guys got it...some dont.

C) Until he proves he's A) working tirelessly on his shot on his own time, and B) he's making improvements....then this is the league for adults. High School and College is where you go to learn to play basketball....not on the Lakers.

I remember Kobe personally hiring Hakeem to work with him on his footwork....in the offseason. THAT'S what a professional does. THAT'S why we threw half a billion dollars at him throughout his career. If Vando thinks he can carve out a career being a sub-standard shooter in today's NBA, then so be it. But I don't wanna see us wasting our time drawing up plays for the guy, and getting him involved. Focus on guys who can actually perform.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#405 » by stan francisco » Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:33 am

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stan francisco wrote:Why not work on every player’s weakness?


A) that's what the offseason is for. These guys make the fantasy money. It's a carnival world for them, not a 9to5er...so get your ass in the gym and sort your shot out.

B) I'll assume he has worked a ton on his shot...along with every staff he's been with since junior high. Some guys got it...some dont.

C) Until he proves he's A) working tirelessly on his shot on his own time, and B) he's making improvements....then this is the league for adults. High School and College is where you go to learn to play basketball....not on the Lakers.

I remember Kobe personally hiring Hakeem to work with him on his footwork....in the offseason. THAT'S what a professional does. THAT'S why we threw half a billion dollars at him throughout his career. If Vando thinks he can carve out a career being a sub-standard shooter in today's NBA, then so be it. But I don't wanna see us wasting our time drawing up plays for the guy, and getting him involved. Focus on guys who can actually perform.


It is the off-season.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#406 » by SlimShady83 » Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:51 am

If Keslla Is off the table, how do you guys still feel about Jonas? Deadline?
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#407 » by Godfather13 » Sat Aug 24, 2024 1:11 am

stan francisco wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:
zuju wrote:

I agree with the suggestions in the video. Not only do 3 point shooters could help on offense. There are still ways to use a non shooter in half court sets.



I don't get the reasoning for spending effort on a guy who can't shoot. If there's an open drive to the basket, do it...and you'll get rewarded. In the meantime....work on your shot, or the NBA is gonna move on without you.

Every shot he takes is a shot someone else doesn't. Seems like our efforts would be better spent elsewhere, instead of trying to get Vando's PPG into the double digits.


He’s our most valuable defender after AD. Why not work on every player’s weakness? Add a simple but efficient offensive output to Vando’s defense (which when he’s healthy is elite) and we have a beast on the cheap.

I co-sign the skepticism in the video that we under Reddick won’t play as much inside out and low-post banging as we should. With our size we should attack starting down low and kick it out for open threes, not make it our second option to jacking up jumpers.

I want to see some triangle motions.

Value is a product of quality X quantity. A player that cannot earn his minutes because of any reason has very little value.

Is he our 2nd best defender when on court? - Absolutely

Is that defensive prowess bearing any fruit{VALUE} if he actively proves to be a bigger negative on the other end, when opponents draw game plans to exploit his meagre presence{QUANTITY} on the court? - Heck No

If we're going to keep him, his offense - particularly shooting has to be better. Without it, he's a luxury vibes player on a bad team that doesn't really matter.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#408 » by Godfather13 » Sat Aug 24, 2024 1:40 am

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SlimShady83 wrote:One thing I can't wait to see is, JJ getting everyone cutting and making plays rather then just standing there watching Bron/AD, this alone is going to be great to see, just hope he makes It happen.


Agree!

Ham was too weak of a HC to demand the team practice more to improve and maximize the execution and try things. Instead he just left it to the roster and Bron/AD to run themselves. Yet, in the end, he alienated both his top stars in Bron, AD and even AR. What a clueless leader/HC.

Believe JJ is too much of a perfectionist to let things run themselves so looking forward to less mental errors by playoff time. Hope he can also develop few 3&D guys.


Bron's team's haven't practiced since 2015. I doubt that's gonna change by a lot.

But I can see JJ doing a lot better than that war criminal because of a few very basic facts we know -
- Ham was a super low bar
- JJ's game IQ is top notch - based on his podcasting & brief ESPN stint
- JJ comes in with a clean slate, and is an avid film guy. So he should, in theory, just be better putting players in easier positions to succeed by playing to their strengths, rather than weaknesses. I can name several role players, including Prince, that Ham put in terrible positions where they just couldn't win
- JJ, being a perfectionist is going to be more anal(in a good way) about insisting on execution. Early timeouts to instill discipline & clutch time timeouts to capture momentum
- JJ just can't be as much of a bird brain with regards to putting cogent line ups together as Ham was. I get that Jeanie/Rob didn't give him much to choose from, but Ham just somehow had a knack for picking out the worst possible combos, almost as if to troll us
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#409 » by LakersSoul » Sat Aug 24, 2024 1:45 pm

Godfather13 wrote:
LakersSoul wrote:
SlimShady83 wrote:One thing I can't wait to see is, JJ getting everyone cutting and making plays rather then just standing there watching Bron/AD, this alone is going to be great to see, just hope he makes It happen.


Agree!

Ham was too weak of a HC to demand the team practice more to improve and maximize the execution and try things. Instead he just left it to the roster and Bron/AD to run themselves. Yet, in the end, he alienated both his top stars in Bron, AD and even AR. What a clueless leader/HC.

Believe JJ is too much of a perfectionist to let things run themselves so looking forward to less mental errors by playoff time. Hope he can also develop few 3&D guys.


Bron's team's haven't practiced since 2015. I doubt that's gonna change by a lot.

But I can see JJ doing a lot better than that war criminal because of a few very basic facts we know -
- Ham was a super low bar
- JJ's game IQ is top notch - based on his podcasting & brief ESPN stint
- JJ comes in with a clean slate, and is an avid film guy. So he should, in theory, just be better putting players in easier positions to succeed by playing to their strengths, rather than weaknesses. I can name several role players, including Prince, that Ham put in terrible positions where they just couldn't win
- JJ, being a perfectionist is going to be more anal(in a good way) about insisting on execution. Early timeouts to instill discipline & clutch time timeouts to capture momentum
- JJ just can't be as much of a bird brain with regards to putting cogent line ups together as Ham was. I get that Jeanie/Rob didn't give him much to choose from, but Ham just somehow had a knack for picking out the worst possible combos, almost as if to troll us


You don’t need Bron in all the time. Just the rest of the guys that need it and Bron can join when he can. That’s how most star vets work.

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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#410 » by Godfather13 » Sat Aug 24, 2024 2:46 pm

LakersSoul wrote:
Godfather13 wrote:
LakersSoul wrote:
Agree!

Ham was too weak of a HC to demand the team practice more to improve and maximize the execution and try things. Instead he just left it to the roster and Bron/AD to run themselves. Yet, in the end, he alienated both his top stars in Bron, AD and even AR. What a clueless leader/HC.

Believe JJ is too much of a perfectionist to let things run themselves so looking forward to less mental errors by playoff time. Hope he can also develop few 3&D guys.


Bron's team's haven't practiced since 2015. I doubt that's gonna change by a lot.

But I can see JJ doing a lot better than that war criminal because of a few very basic facts we know -
- Ham was a super low bar
- JJ's game IQ is top notch - based on his podcasting & brief ESPN stint
- JJ comes in with a clean slate, and is an avid film guy. So he should, in theory, just be better putting players in easier positions to succeed by playing to their strengths, rather than weaknesses. I can name several role players, including Prince, that Ham put in terrible positions where they just couldn't win
- JJ, being a perfectionist is going to be more anal(in a good way) about insisting on execution. Early timeouts to instill discipline & clutch time timeouts to capture momentum
- JJ just can't be as much of a bird brain with regards to putting cogent line ups together as Ham was. I get that Jeanie/Rob didn't give him much to choose from, but Ham just somehow had a knack for picking out the worst possible combos, almost as if to troll us


You don’t need Bron in all the time. Just the rest of the guys that need it and Bron can join when he can. That’s how most star vets work.


Sure. We'll see I guess.. :lol:
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#411 » by danfantastk32 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:44 pm

stan francisco wrote:It is the off-season.


Yeah, his 7th one. How's his shot improving? Or you think that's on us?
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Post#412 » by Godfather13 » Thu Sep 5, 2024 2:51 am

danfantastk32 wrote:
stan francisco wrote:It is the off-season.


Yeah, his 7th one. How's his shot improving? Or you think that's on us?


Regardless of his shot improving, Vando has 1 season(rookie season <5 mpg not included), when he's had a very minor positive RAPM.

It was the final Quinn Schieder-Jazz season when they were the #1 offense and the #3 defense with by far the best shooting roster in the league. Everyone of their top 12 rotation guys were positives that year, and Vando ranks 10th.

Vibes aside, this guys just not an NBA level talent. It's a shame cos he seems to be a great dude.
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Post#413 » by stan francisco » Thu Sep 5, 2024 4:24 am

Godfather13 wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:
stan francisco wrote:It is the off-season.


Yeah, his 7th one. How's his shot improving? Or you think that's on us?


Regardless of his shot improving, Vando has 1 season(rookie season <5 mpg not included), when he's had a very minor positive RAPM.

It was the final Quinn Schieder-Jazz season when they were the #1 offense and the #3 defense with by far the best shooting roster in the league. Everyone of their top 12 rotation guys were positives that year, and Vando ranks 10th.

Vibes aside, this guys just not an NBA level talent. It's a shame cos he seems to be a great dude.


Let’s watch him healthy. He’s been a glassman. When healthy, we have a defensive gem. If he can finally knock down the corner three, we struck gold. Anyone who opines based on his play since April 2023 needs to remember that he’s been injured since, He’s an elite NBA defender when healthy. A difference maker. Looking forward to seeing him shut down over rated Jason PoTatum this year.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#414 » by tamaraw08 » Sat Sep 7, 2024 12:22 am

stan francisco wrote:
Godfather13 wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:
Yeah, his 7th one. How's his shot improving? Or you think that's on us?


Regardless of his shot improving, Vando has 1 season(rookie season <5 mpg not included), when he's had a very minor positive RAPM.

It was the final Quinn Schieder-Jazz season when they were the #1 offense and the #3 defense with by far the best shooting roster in the league. Everyone of their top 12 rotation guys were positives that year, and Vando ranks 10th.

Vibes aside, this guys just not an NBA level talent. It's a shame cos he seems to be a great dude.


Let’s watch him healthy. He’s been a glassman. When healthy, we have a defensive gem. If he can finally knock down the corner three, we struck gold. Anyone who opines based on his play since April 2023 needs to remember that he’s been injured since, He’s an elite NBA defender when healthy. A difference maker. Looking forward to seeing him shut down over rated Jason PoTatum this year.

The hope was that after having a full offseason to rest and recover that Vanderbilt would be ready to go for training camp, which kicks off at the end of September. It doesn’t appear that is the case though as Mike Bresnahan reported on Spectrum’s ‘Lakeshow’ Podcast that Vanderbilt may not be ready for the start of training camp:

https://lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-jarred-vanderbilt-may-not-be-ready-for-start-of-training-camp/
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#415 » by SlimShady83 » Tue Sep 10, 2024 5:20 am

And now Wood Is out :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Post#416 » by danfantastk32 » Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:08 am

SlimShady83 wrote:And now Wood Is out :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Hmmm...7points, 5boards, 1 assist. If we can't survive that......blame the coach???
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#417 » by SlimShady83 » Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:12 am

danfantastk32 wrote:
SlimShady83 wrote:And now Wood Is out :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Hmmm...7points, 5boards, 1 assist. If we can't survive that......blame the coach???

LOL True but need more big bodies
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#418 » by danfantastk32 » Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:16 am

SlimShady83 wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:
SlimShady83 wrote:And now Wood Is out :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Hmmm...7points, 5boards, 1 assist. If we can't survive that......blame the coach???

LOL True but need more big bodies


Agree. Its disheartening to see players going down in the offseason.
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#419 » by Anderson Hunt » Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:53 am

PG - Russell - Reaves - Schifino
SG - Christie - Vincent - James
C --- Davis --- Hayes --- Castleton
PF - James - Reddish - Hinson
SF - Hachimura - Knecht - Lewis
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Re: offseason tracker 

Post#420 » by tamaraw08 » Wed Sep 11, 2024 2:54 pm

danfantastk32 wrote:
SlimShady83 wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:
Hmmm...7points, 5boards, 1 assist. If we can't survive that......blame the coach???

LOL True but need more big bodies


Agree. Its disheartening to see players going down in the offseason.


I can't help but wonder if they actually just got injured recently or they had it 3+ months ago?
If they latter, why just have the surgery now? :o

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