Do you believe the average NBA player is more talented now than the 90s?

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Do you believe the average NBA player is more talented today than the 90s?

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Re: Do you believe the average NBA player is more talented now than the 90s? 

Post#201 » by prophet_of_rage » Sun Aug 25, 2024 2:20 pm

BernteB wrote:lebron james has been playing in the nba since 2003. he basically played against many players from the 90ies in his early years. he is still, as a soon to be 40 years old with almost 1800 games on the clock, putting up (raw) stats, which he couldn't put up, when he was playing against 90ies players. so how much more talented can todays player be if that is possible?

what todays player are better at is definitely shooting. they all can shoot nowadays, because it's valued way higher than it was 30 years ago. but this is only due to a focus on what is being trained, not necessarily talent as such.

what is also true is, is the fact, that the talent pool is way bigger. but this basically only means, that certrain bench mobs, that made the nba in the 90ies, would maybe not make the nba today. we are talkeing about roster spots 9-12. but even today, these roster spots are more or less irrelevant, to define, how good the top talents are.
Nobodyxis talking about the top talents. That's the fatal flaw in a lot of poster's arguments. The thread is about the average NBA player. So if 9 through 12 from the 90s aren't good enough to make it any more the talent has increased.

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Re: Do you believe the average NBA player is more talented now than the 90s? 

Post#202 » by MavsDirk41 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 2:34 pm

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lmao. If that’s the best comeback… this thread should end right here.


Detlef would have no problem making a roster today
Would he be the best euro? No. Then the talent has evolved.

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Yes the talent has evolved because of the growth of the game from the inclusion of the international talent. But some teams like Milwaukee, Phoenix, and Denver only go like 8 deep because their benches suck. So its not like every team is just plush with talent. Just like the 90s, some teams are deeper than others.
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Post#203 » by MavsDirk41 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 2:35 pm

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Detlef would have no problem making a roster today


Making a roster. lmao. Yep. You’re doing a great job of ending this thread.



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Kukoc> Detlef

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Post#204 » by MavsDirk41 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 2:36 pm

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CodeBreaker wrote:The best international player was Kukoc. That tells you everything.


No Detlef Scremph was way better than Kukoc.


lmao. If that’s the best comeback… this thread should end right here.



Lmao then end it pal-o…..
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Post#205 » by sunsbg » Sun Aug 25, 2024 2:47 pm

It's only the international players who improved since 90's otherwise Team USA would still crush any other team like Dream team did.
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Post#206 » by falcolombardi » Sun Aug 25, 2024 3:10 pm

Pretty obviously yes
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Post#207 » by Statlanta » Sun Aug 25, 2024 4:19 pm

The do nothing bruiser PF/C of the 90s has transformed into a designated kicker/floor spacer Tony Snell/Davis Bertans type.

Basically reading strength and interior toughness for 3's.
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Post#208 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Aug 25, 2024 4:21 pm

Yes, more people around the world are playing basketball, the talent pool is larger as a result.
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Post#209 » by NoStatsGuy » Sun Aug 25, 2024 6:28 pm

obviously yes
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Re: Do you believe the average NBA player is more talented now than the 90s? 

Post#210 » by JonFromVA » Sun Aug 25, 2024 7:49 pm

BernteB wrote:lebron james has been playing in the nba since 2003. he basically played against many players from the 90ies in his early years. he is still, as a soon to be 40 years old with almost 1800 games on the clock, putting up (raw) stats, which he couldn't put up, when he was playing against 90ies players. so how much more talented can todays player be if that is possible?

what todays player are better at is definitely shooting. they all can shoot nowadays, because it's valued way higher than it was 30 years ago. but this is only due to a focus on what is being trained, not necessarily talent as such.

what is also true is, is the fact, that the talent pool is way bigger. but this basically only means, that certrain bench mobs, that made the nba in the 90ies, would maybe not make the nba today. we are talkeing about roster spots 9-12. but even today, these roster spots are more or less irrelevant, to define, how good the top talents are.


You're going to have to explain this better. Consider for example that LeBron hasn't topped 10.0 in BPM for the past 11 seasons.

And even early in his career LeBron dominated his 1v1 matches way before he reached his physical prime. Ron Artest had the size and strength to give him some problems, but there weren't many others who could bother him. It always came down to his shooting, how many guys who could cheat off his teammates to help against him, and how hard they could knock the crap out of him.

There was an element of thuggishness that's mostly been eliminated from the game. Maybe Steph Curry never would have flourished if modern day Rick Mahorn's rung his bell often enough with elbows to his face. Does anyone seriously miss that?
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Post#211 » by Jabroni Lames » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:22 pm

lol. You guys are debating: Detlef vs. Kukoc for best 90s international player. Meanwhile today we are debating: Jokic vs. Luka vs. Giannis vs. SGA vs. Embiid vs. Wemby (soon) for best 90s NBA player, period, today.

I mean, this pretty much ends the talent pool debate, doesn't it?
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Post#212 » by LaLover11 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:13 pm

MavsDirk41 wrote:
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Making a roster. lmao. Yep. You’re doing a great job of ending this thread.



Kukoc won you games

Kukoc> Detlef

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Detelf was all nba one year, two time all star, and two time 6 man of the year. Plus he was much better defensively.


Those awards mean nothing

If I was a GM I would take Kukoc
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Post#213 » by MavsDirk41 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:30 pm

LaLover11 wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:
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Kukoc won you games

Kukoc> Detlef

Read on Twitter
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Detelf was all nba one year, two time all star, and two time 6 man of the year. Plus he was much better defensively.


Those awards mean nothing

If I was a GM I would take Kukoc



Yea making the all nba team, being selected as an all star player among your peers, and being named the best bench player in the league means nothing. Not sure why i even responded to you.
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Post#214 » by Onlytimewilltel » Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:08 am

Jabroni Lames wrote:lol. You guys are debating: Detlef vs. Kukoc for best 90s international player. Meanwhile today we are debating: Jokic vs. Luka vs. Giannis vs. SGA vs. Embiid vs. Wemby (soon) for best 90s NBA player, period, today.

I mean, this pretty much ends the talent pool debate, doesn't it?


There is no real debate. It’s fairly clear the average player is better. Only a few coconuts out there are arguing otherwise :lol:
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Post#215 » by Jabroni Lames » Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:34 am

Onlytimewilltel wrote:
Jabroni Lames wrote:lol. You guys are debating: Detlef vs. Kukoc for best 90s international player. Meanwhile today we are debating: Jokic vs. Luka vs. Giannis vs. SGA vs. Embiid vs. Wemby (soon) for best 90s NBA player, period, today.

I mean, this pretty much ends the talent pool debate, doesn't it?


There is no real debate. It’s fairly clear the average player is better. Only a few coconuts out there are arguing otherwise :lol:


It’s actually quite a large coconut grove that’s still stuck in the 90’s with MJ.
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Post#216 » by Onlytimewilltel » Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:18 am

Jabroni Lames wrote:
Onlytimewilltel wrote:
Jabroni Lames wrote:lol. You guys are debating: Detlef vs. Kukoc for best 90s international player. Meanwhile today we are debating: Jokic vs. Luka vs. Giannis vs. SGA vs. Embiid vs. Wemby (soon) for best 90s NBA player, period, today.

I mean, this pretty much ends the talent pool debate, doesn't it?


There is no real debate. It’s fairly clear the average player is better. Only a few coconuts out there are arguing otherwise :lol:


It’s actually quite a large coconut grove that’s still stuck in the 90’s with MJ.


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Post#217 » by tsherkin » Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:56 am

LaLover11 wrote:Those awards mean nothing

If I was a GM I would take Kukoc


That is, of course, your mistake to make. Schrempf was definitely better.
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Post#218 » by Lalouie » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:41 am

"more skilled" today actually mean shooting 3s. because todays player doesn't pass better, doesn't defend better, doesn't rebound better

so does todays player shoot 3s better?........yes

because it's required
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Post#219 » by LaLover11 » Mon Aug 26, 2024 5:00 am

Lalouie wrote:"more skilled" today actually mean shooting 3s. because todays player doesn't pass better, doesn't defend better, doesn't rebound better

so does todays player shoot 3s better?........yes

because it's required


Give me the TOP 5 90's players
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Post#220 » by prophet_of_rage » Mon Aug 26, 2024 10:21 am

LaLover11 wrote:
Lalouie wrote:"more skilled" today actually mean shooting 3s. because todays player doesn't pass better, doesn't defend better, doesn't rebound better

so does todays player shoot 3s better?........yes

because it's required


Give me the TOP 5 90's players
Counting only players drafted before 1995 who would really achieve and spend most of their careers in the 2000s.

MJ
Olajuwon
Shaq
Malone
Robinson

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