Retro Player of the Year 1964-65 UPDATE — Bill Russell

[eminence]

Player of the Year
1. Bill Russell
I'm truly out of things to say about Bill, the Sixers of the next few seasons are the first team to be their equal talentwise, but the Celtics still get it done 3/4. Massacred the Lakers in the Finals. Russell officially moves to the top of my POY shares list past Mikan (starting in '46).

2. Oscar Robertson
I have Oscar's playmaking edge as larger than Wests defensive edge and the better overall player due to it, so ahead for a POY vote when team achievements are somewhat similar. I've got their achievements similar this season. The Celtics/Sixers looked like near equals over the 3.5 seasons with Wilt and Oscar looked just as good (a bit better even) vs the Sixers this season than West did against the Celtics.

3. Jerry West
Mentioned it in another post, but I don't think this West season stands out above its peers. The Bullets were simply not good playoff competition. Don't really mind anyone preferring Jerry to Oscar, but not personally how I see it.

4. Wilt Chamberlain
Tough decision between having him #2 or #4. #3 is a bit of a confusing spot for him imo. Anywho, I came down on the side of 'punishing' the first half of the RS (punishing a bit harsh, he drops to the bottom of a tier of guys I've had him with for most of his career), he got lucky to get traded somewhere where he could forget about that first half. In Wilt's post I'll give a shoutout to Greer, who very well may have been the best Sixer in their win vs the Royals.

5. Sam Jones
Probably the best overall season from Sam, happy to see it get onto my ballot. Strong scorer and good defensively imo. More often than not I slightly prefer Greer, but I think Sam got him this season. Feels nice to honor another Celtic from the 2nd half of the dynasty.

[AEnigma]

Votes are tallied. I recorded 12 voters: Djoker, AEnigma, Dutchball97, Dr. Positivity, penbeast0, Ardee, LA Bird, eminence, One_and_Done, Narigo, trex, and trelos. Djoker, AEnigma, Dutchball97, Dr. Positivity, and trelos also voted for Offensive and Defensive Player of the Year. Please let me know if I seem to have missed or otherwise improperly recorded a vote.

1964-65 Results

(Retro) Offensive Player of the Year — Oscar Robertson (5)

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Player       1st   2nd   3rd   Points  Shares
1. Oscar Robertson    3   2   0    21     0.840
2. Jerry West   2    3    0     19    0.760
3. Sam Jones   0   0   2    2    0.080
3. Walt Bellamy   0   0   2    2    0.080
5. Wilt Chamberlain   0   0   1    1    0.040

(Retro) Defensive Player of the Year — Bill Russell (9) (Unanimous)

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Player         1st   2nd   3rd   Points  Shares
1. Bill Russell   5    0    0     25     1.000
2. Wilt Chamberlain    0   3   2    11    0.440
3. Nate Thurmond    0   2   2    8    0.320
4. K.C. Jones   0   0   1    1    0.040

Retro Player of the Year — Bill Russell (7) (Unanimous)

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Player      1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Pts  POY Shares
1. Bill Russell  12  0  0  0  0   120    1.000
2. Jerry West  0  9  1  2  0   74   0.617
3. Wilt Chamberlain   0  2  5  5  0   54   0.450
4. Oscar Robertson   0  1  6  5  0   52    0.433
5. Sam Jones  0  0  0  0  9   9   0.075
6. Zelmo Beaty    0  0  0  0  2   2    0.017
7. Walt Bellamy    0  0  0  0  1   1    0.008

In the prior project, there were 15 votes, with Dr. Positivity and penbeast overlapping. With those two prior ballots removed, these are the aggregated results of the two projects across 25 total ballots:

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Player   1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Pts  POY Shares
1. Bill Russell  25  0  0  0  0   250    1.000
2. Jerry West  0  18  3  4  0   153   0.612
3. Oscar Robertson   0  3  14  8  0   115   0.460
4. Wilt Chamberlain    0  4  8  12  0   104    0.416
5. Sam Jones  0  0  0  0  22   22   0.088
6. Hal Greer  0  0  0  1  0   3   0.012
7. Zelmo Beaty    0  0  0  0  2   2    0.008
8. Walt Bellamy    0  0  0  0  1   1    0.004

1966 thread will open shortly.

[One_and_Done]

Votes are tallied. I recorded 14 voters: Djoker, AEnigma, Dutchball97, Dr. Positivity, penbeast0, Ardee, LA Bird, eminence, Narigo, trex, and trelos. Djoker, AEnigma, Dutchball97, Dr. Positivity, and trelos also voted for Offensive and Defensive Player of the Year. Please let me know if I seem to have missed or otherwise improperly recorded a vote.

1964-65 Results

(Retro) Offensive Player of the Year — Oscar Robertson (5)

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Player       1st   2nd   3rd   Points  Shares
1. Oscar Robertson    3   2   0    21     0.840
2. Jerry West   2    3    0     19    0.760
3. Sam Jones   0   0   2    2    0.080
3. Walt Bellamy   0   0   2    2    0.080
5. Wilt Chamberlain   0   0   1    1    0.040

(Retro) Defensive Player of the Year — Bill Russell (9) (Unanimous)

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Player         1st   2nd   3rd   Points  Shares
1. Bill Russell   5    0    0     25     1.000
2. Wilt Chamberlain    0   3   2    11    0.440
3. Nate Thurmond    0   2   2    8    0.320
4. K.C. Jones   0   0   1    1    0.040

Retro Player of the Year — Bill Russell (7) (Unanimous)

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Player      1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Pts  POY Shares
1. Bill Russell  11  0  0  0  0   110    1.000
2. Jerry West  0  9  1  1  0   71   0.645
3a. Wilt Chamberlain   0  1  5  5  0   47   0.427
3b. Oscar Robertson    0  1  5  5  0   47    0.427
5. Sam Jones  0  0  0  0  9   9   0.082
6. Zelmo Beaty    0  0  0  0  1   1    0.009
6. Walt Bellamy    0  0  0  0  1   1    0.009

In the prior project, there were 15 votes, with Dr. Positivity and penbeast overlapping. With those two prior ballots removed, these are the aggregated results of the two projects across 24 total ballots:

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Player   1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Pts  POY Shares
1. Bill Russell  24  0  0  0  0   240    1.000
2. Jerry West  0  18  3  3  0   150   0.625
3. Oscar Robertson   0  3  13  8  0   110   0.458
4. Wilt Chamberlain    0  3  8  12  0   97    0.404
5. Sam Jones  0  0  0  0  22   22   0.092
6. Hal Greer  0  0  0  1  0   3   0.013
7. Zelmo Beaty    0  0  0  0  1   1    0.004
7. Walt Bellamy    0  0  0  0  1   1    0.004

1966 thread will open shortly.

I voted for Zelmo.

[AEnigma]

I voted for Zelmo.

Thanks, will edit.