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Re: Welcome to Boston, Lonnie Walker!!! 

Post#101 » by shackles10 » Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:54 pm

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Well let's be realistic here. Getting cut is often the outcome of guys on a training camp contract.

Here are the guys we've had on a training camp contract over the past few years:
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Let's be even more realistic. Very little chance that Brad picks up an established, well-regarded NBA vet for a training camp invite, only to waive him. Not saying it's not going to happen that way, and ultimately it's Lonnie's chance to make it or blow it, but ususlly with Brad there's another play behind the play.

It would be out of character for him to extend an offer like this to a vet unless he has a longer term plan that is mutually beneficial to the team and to the player.


Agreed. While the history isn't strong for guys to make it with an E10 there are still 3 guys who made a standard deal out of it and basically Gabriel is the only guy out of that group with any kind of NBA experience who didn't get a standard deal. The history is also of the most recent variety too with 1 guy coming last year, and 2 the year before. What happened 3 years ago and longer might become less and less relevant as the NBA landscape is so different now with the aprons and also we're no longer just contenders, we're the freaking defending champs (!!!!!!). It would surprise me if Brad cut an NBA vet during camp when we're looking to need more vet min deals in the future and you don't want to get a reputation. Once the season starts who knows if he makes it to the end, but I would bet he makes it to opening night.
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Post#102 » by threrf23 » Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:02 pm

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports/nba/spurs/former-spurs-still-share-strong-bond-after-their-time-san-antonio-nba/273-c5d24153-9049-420a-b856-1a4d0b131595

This was the second time this season the ex-Spurs met and for White, seeing his former San Antonio teammate means a lot for him.

"That's my guy," White said "He came in the year after me. We spent a lot of time together."

Both players got their first NBA steps in San Antonio.

White, drafted in 2017, and Walker, drafted in 2018, played together was Spurs from 2018-21.
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Post#103 » by Homerclease » Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:03 pm

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TatumMVP wrote:Poor man's Jaylen Brown.


He reminds me of a smaller Jeff Green, in terms of body posture and movements (without the wild DUNKS ALL OVER guys)

Dollar store Jamal Crawford. Can steal a game out of nowhere if he gets hot
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Post#104 » by chakdaddy » Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:34 pm

Pretty sure Vonleh made the team on an ex. 10. Never understood the hype on him put of college. Harry Giles strikes me the same way.
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Post#105 » by 165bows » Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:20 pm

shackles10 wrote:
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Hal14 wrote:Well let's be realistic here. Getting cut is often the outcome of guys on a training camp contract.

Here are the guys we've had on a training camp contract over the past few years:
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Let's be even more realistic. Very little chance that Brad picks up an established, well-regarded NBA vet for a training camp invite, only to waive him. Not saying it's not going to happen that way, and ultimately it's Lonnie's chance to make it or blow it, but ususlly with Brad there's another play behind the play.

It would be out of character for him to extend an offer like this to a vet unless he has a longer term plan that is mutually beneficial to the team and to the player.


Agreed. While the history isn't strong for guys to make it with an E10 there are still 3 guys who made a standard deal out of it and basically Gabriel is the only guy out of that group with any kind of NBA experience who didn't get a standard deal. The history is also of the most recent variety too with 1 guy coming last year, and 2 the year before. What happened 3 years ago and longer might become less and less relevant as the NBA landscape is so different now with the aprons and also we're no longer just contenders, we're the freaking defending champs (!!!!!!). It would surprise me if Brad cut an NBA vet during camp when we're looking to need more vet min deals in the future and you don't want to get a reputation. Once the season starts who knows if he makes it to the end, but I would bet he makes it to opening night.

The history with these guys, he fits into the J. Jackson, Lamar Stevens, Vonleh group imo. I'd imagine he makes the team unless he really stinks but not the strongest bet to stay all year unless he really impresses. Ie, O/U is mid-season.

Nevertheless, fun pickup that I haven't seen/been on all day and I'll have to read this thread at some point coming up to catch up!
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Post#106 » by Dogen » Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:32 pm

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Dogen wrote:
Let's be even more realistic. Very little chance that Brad picks up an established, well-regarded NBA vet for a training camp invite, only to waive him. Not saying it's not going to happen that way, and ultimately it's Lonnie's chance to make it or blow it, but ususlly with Brad there's another play behind the play.

It would be out of character for him to extend an offer like this to a vet unless he has a longer term plan that is mutually beneficial to the team and to the player.


Agreed. While the history isn't strong for guys to make it with an E10 there are still 3 guys who made a standard deal out of it and basically Gabriel is the only guy out of that group with any kind of NBA experience who didn't get a standard deal. The history is also of the most recent variety too with 1 guy coming last year, and 2 the year before. What happened 3 years ago and longer might become less and less relevant as the NBA landscape is so different now with the aprons and also we're no longer just contenders, we're the freaking defending champs (!!!!!!). It would surprise me if Brad cut an NBA vet during camp when we're looking to need more vet min deals in the future and you don't want to get a reputation. Once the season starts who knows if he makes it to the end, but I would bet he makes it to opening night.

The history with these guys, he fits into the J. Jackson, Lamar Stevens, Vonleh group imo. I'd imagine he makes the team unless he really stinks but not the strongest bet to stay all year unless he really impresses. Ie, O/U is mid-season.

Nevertheless, fun pickup that I haven't seen/been on all day and I'll have to read this thread at some point coming up to catch up!


Brother Lonnie W4 is a cut above everyone on that list.
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Post#107 » by Parasite » Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:53 pm

Do y’all remember Vinnie “the microwave” Johnson from the Bad Boy Pistons? I think Lonnie can be that for us. What a move by Brad! And getting him on an Exhibit 10? Nuts!
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Post#108 » by 165bows » Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:06 pm

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Agreed. While the history isn't strong for guys to make it with an E10 there are still 3 guys who made a standard deal out of it and basically Gabriel is the only guy out of that group with any kind of NBA experience who didn't get a standard deal. The history is also of the most recent variety too with 1 guy coming last year, and 2 the year before. What happened 3 years ago and longer might become less and less relevant as the NBA landscape is so different now with the aprons and also we're no longer just contenders, we're the freaking defending champs (!!!!!!). It would surprise me if Brad cut an NBA vet during camp when we're looking to need more vet min deals in the future and you don't want to get a reputation. Once the season starts who knows if he makes it to the end, but I would bet he makes it to opening night.

The history with these guys, he fits into the J. Jackson, Lamar Stevens, Vonleh group imo. I'd imagine he makes the team unless he really stinks but not the strongest bet to stay all year unless he really impresses. Ie, O/U is mid-season.

Nevertheless, fun pickup that I haven't seen/been on all day and I'll have to read this thread at some point coming up to catch up!


Brother Lonnie W4 is a cut above everyone on that list.

Probably but otoh maybe not that much better than Lamar Stevens.

Brad though looooves 26 year olds lol.
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Post#109 » by Dogen » Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:29 am

165bows wrote:
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165bows wrote:The history with these guys, he fits into the J. Jackson, Lamar Stevens, Vonleh group imo. I'd imagine he makes the team unless he really stinks but not the strongest bet to stay all year unless he really impresses. Ie, O/U is mid-season.

Nevertheless, fun pickup that I haven't seen/been on all day and I'll have to read this thread at some point coming up to catch up!


Brother Lonnie W4 is a cut above everyone on that list.

Probably but otoh maybe not that much better than Lamar Stevens.

Brad though looooves 26 year olds lol.


Brother Lamar is up there on the list, true. But he never hit his stride here. Was good at bullying his way to the hoop and getting a mid-range shot, but didn't look as good being a 3pt threat.

I'd put Walker a notch above Stevens if only because he's more of a 3pt sniper with no conscience. That may also be the concern with Walker -- that he'll be a ball hog -- but I'll bet he's going to fit in fine.
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Post#110 » by Jammer » Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:04 am

If they waive him but sign him to a Two-Way and end up rolling him over to a roster spot like Queta was last year he gets a chance for a ring. And he gets some burn in Maine as a WAY OVERQUALIFIED G-Leaguer but is around to help when needed if something unfortunate develops plus he can always be converted before the playoffs to a regular spot.

There are OPTIONS.
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Post#111 » by shackles10 » Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:05 am

Jammer wrote:If they waive him but sign him to a Two-Way and end up rolling him over to a roster spot like Queta was last year he gets a chance for a ring. And he gets some burn in Maine as a WAY OVERQUALIFIED G-Leaguer but is around to help when needed if something unfortunate develops plus he can always be converted before the playoffs to a regular spot.

There are OPTIONS.


Not eligible for a 2-way unfortunately. Although I don’t think he’d take it anyways.
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Post#112 » by 165bows » Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:08 am

Dogen wrote:
165bows wrote:
Dogen wrote:
Brother Lonnie W4 is a cut above everyone on that list.

Probably but otoh maybe not that much better than Lamar Stevens.

Brad though looooves 26 year olds lol.


Brother Lamar is up there on the list, true. But he never hit his stride here. Was good at bullying his way to the hoop and getting a mid-range shot, but didn't look as good being a 3pt threat.

I'd put Walker a notch above Stevens if only because he's more of a 3pt sniper with no conscience. That may also be the concern with Walker -- that he'll be a ball hog -- but I'll bet he's going to fit in fine.

Looks like he played a bit of PG in Brooklyn, wonder if they may have him in mind as emergency ball handler as well. They’ve done that with a handful of guys.
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Post#113 » by hickfromfrenchlick » Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:21 am

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I’m told there’s a chance Walker is waived after camp to keep Boston’s 15th roster spot open going into the season


That would be a buzzkill if he's just cut

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5731401/2024/08/29/lebron-james-jayson-tatum-netflix-celtics-nba-the-bounce/

Well, Getting cut is often the outcome of guys on a training camp contract.

Here are the guys we've had on a training camp contract over the past few years:
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I genuinely think he's clearly better than everyone on that list was when when we signed them. LW4 has been a rotation player his entire career.

That's not to say anything is automatic but I'd imagine he's got a pretty good shot at making the team.
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Post#114 » by Parliament10 » Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:27 am

hickfromfrenchlick wrote:
Hal14 wrote:

Well, Getting cut is often the outcome of guys on a training camp contract.

Here are the guys we've had on a training camp contract over the past few years:
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I genuinely think he's clearly better than everyone on that list was when when we signed them. LW4 has been a rotation player his entire career.

That's not to say anything is automatic but I'd imagine he's got a pretty good shot at making the team.

Imagine that. This late in the Off-season, and someone this valuable is available.
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Post#115 » by Jammer » Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:52 am

shackles10 wrote:
Jammer wrote:If they waive him but sign him to a Two-Way and end up rolling him over to a roster spot like Queta was last year he gets a chance for a ring. And he gets some burn in Maine as a WAY OVERQUALIFIED G-Leaguer but is around to help when needed if something unfortunate develops plus he can always be converted before the playoffs to a regular spot.

There are OPTIONS.


Not eligible for a 2-way unfortunately. Although I don’t think he’d take it anyways.


Ironically I remember having read that comment by several posters in the thread but by the time I decided to post had forgotten that nuance.

Thanks for straightening out the Two Way issue.
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Post#116 » by Parliament10 » Fri Aug 30, 2024 5:39 am

Jammer wrote:
shackles10 wrote:
Jammer wrote:If they waive him but sign him to a Two-Way and end up rolling him over to a roster spot like Queta was last year he gets a chance for a ring. And he gets some burn in Maine as a WAY OVERQUALIFIED G-Leaguer but is around to help when needed if something unfortunate develops plus he can always be converted before the playoffs to a regular spot.

There are OPTIONS.


Not eligible for a 2-way unfortunately. Although I don’t think he’d take it anyways.


Ironically I remember having read that comment by several posters in the thread but by the time I decided to post had forgotten that nuance.

Thanks for straightening out the Two Way issue.

You know some of these regulations are completely arbitrary. I don't see why we can't have a 6-year Two-Way Player?
For that matter, why only a 2nd Round pick/Un-drafted. By the time some of these guys pan out, a number of things have happened.

We're supposedly developing a Minor League. Let's go full tilt, and expand on that?
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Post#117 » by itrsteve » Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:05 am

wtf? How was he available?
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Post#118 » by 165bows » Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:45 am

I like the add in that he's prob more capable than an empty chair but also there are some pretty clear warts on the table as well. Guy has a -250 career TS added and is a deeply inefficient scorer for a guy who has scoring as his primary value.

But DWhite has vouched for him as a good guy and teammate so I'm totally fine with him keeping Jay Scrubb's seat warm for now. But apparently he's got a 6'9" wingspan and isn't a total sieve on D and like people have said can get hot from deep so good on Brad.
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Post#119 » by Hal14 » Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:49 pm

Not sure if this got posted yet but he is kind of a sieve on D, which is likely part of the reason why he was still available and had to sign an exhibit 10:
https://www.clnsmedia.com/celtics-sign-lonnie-walker-iv-will-he-make-the-team/

Walker signing with Boston came as some surprise as much as his availability was days before September following a strong shooting season with the Brooklyn Nets. An Exhibit 10 deal could position Walker IV to begin the year with Maine, as there’s no clear path to him landing a roster spot ahead of any of the 14 players on standard contracts in front of him. The Celtics have also typically held their 15th roster spot open for flexibility’s sake and now have a significant luxury tax reason to do so as well. If Walker signed for the veteran’s minimum on day one, which carries a $2.1 million cap hit this year, that would add nearly $10 million to Boston’s tax bill.

“We kept 14 most of the year last year, then we added two at the end of the year,” Brad Stevens said in July. “We’ll see how the next few months play themselves out with regard to people’s availability. Obviously, Kristaps is going to have a long rehab process ahead of him. Then we have to determine what’s the best need for our team in that 15th spot?”

Walker IV shot 38.4% from three in 2024, including 39% splits in pull-up and catch-and-shoot situations, while hitting at a 44.9% rate from the corner. That type of shooting outbreak would project toward another opportunity emerging quickly for a 25-year-old. Yet his efficiency didn’t prove as strong on a per possession basis, posting a poor 0.83 PPP running pick-and-roll, 0.91 in isolation, 1.05 while spotting up and 0.73 off screens. All of those figures hovered at or below the 50th percentile of NBA players.

The Celtics might not need him to do any of those things, but will demand that he defends. His numbers on the other side of the ball beg for improvement, including allowing 1.21 PPP in isolation (8th percentile) and 1.15 PPP defending pick-and-roll creators (3rd percentile). Opponents, however, shot 41.9% when guarded by Walker. Some encouragement alongside his 6-10 wingspan and athleticism.

Walker IV played for Brooklyn on the veteran’s minimum after an uneven year with the Lakers highlighted by his vintage playoff performance in a Game 4 against Golden State that vaulted LA to the west finals. He spent four years with the Spurs after they drafted him No. 18 overall in 2018 from Miami. Derrick White and Walker IV spent more than three seasons together in San Antonio. Walker IV joins Summer League Celtics Ron Harper Jr. and Tristan Enaruna as training camp invites.

The Celtics only have minor roster flexibility before the season begins. Jordan Walsh’s deal has roughly $2 million guaranteed remaining. All three two-way slots can be changed at any time, though Walker IV is no longer eligible for one. Jaden Springer’s one-year contract is worth $4.0 million.

Staying with Maine, if Walker IV is waived, would earn him approximately $75,000 for spending 60 days there. Boston’s development program has made strides with both players changing their games and hoping to bolster their defense. Walker IV could benefit from both if he’s willing to be patient. The Celtics would have no exclusive rights to retain him with the organization, other than that small bonus, if they send him to the G-League.

Minimum contracts are pro-rated, so the Celtics save in salary and luxury tax by waiting to sign a 15th man. They waited until Apr. 9 to transition Neemias Queta from a two-way to standard contract, only assuming a $81,253 cap hit. Two-way contracts do not carry a cap or tax hit. Walker IV turns 26 in December.
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Post#120 » by 165bows » Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:58 pm

Hal14 wrote:Not sure if this got posted yet but he is kind of a sieve on D, which is likely part of the reason why he was still available and had to sign an exhibit 10:
https://www.clnsmedia.com/celtics-sign-lonnie-walker-iv-will-he-make-the-team/

Walker signing with Boston came as some surprise as much as his availability was days before September following a strong shooting season with the Brooklyn Nets. An Exhibit 10 deal could position Walker IV to begin the year with Maine, as there’s no clear path to him landing a roster spot ahead of any of the 14 players on standard contracts in front of him. The Celtics have also typically held their 15th roster spot open for flexibility’s sake and now have a significant luxury tax reason to do so as well. If Walker signed for the veteran’s minimum on day one, which carries a $2.1 million cap hit this year, that would add nearly $10 million to Boston’s tax bill.

“We kept 14 most of the year last year, then we added two at the end of the year,” Brad Stevens said in July. “We’ll see how the next few months play themselves out with regard to people’s availability. Obviously, Kristaps is going to have a long rehab process ahead of him. Then we have to determine what’s the best need for our team in that 15th spot?”

Walker IV shot 38.4% from three in 2024, including 39% splits in pull-up and catch-and-shoot situations, while hitting at a 44.9% rate from the corner. That type of shooting outbreak would project toward another opportunity emerging quickly for a 25-year-old. Yet his efficiency didn’t prove as strong on a per possession basis, posting a poor 0.83 PPP running pick-and-roll, 0.91 in isolation, 1.05 while spotting up and 0.73 off screens. All of those figures hovered at or below the 50th percentile of NBA players.

The Celtics might not need him to do any of those things, but will demand that he defends. His numbers on the other side of the ball beg for improvement, including allowing 1.21 PPP in isolation (8th percentile) and 1.15 PPP defending pick-and-roll creators (3rd percentile). Opponents, however, shot 41.9% when guarded by Walker. Some encouragement alongside his 6-10 wingspan and athleticism.

Walker IV played for Brooklyn on the veteran’s minimum after an uneven year with the Lakers highlighted by his vintage playoff performance in a Game 4 against Golden State that vaulted LA to the west finals. He spent four years with the Spurs after they drafted him No. 18 overall in 2018 from Miami. Derrick White and Walker IV spent more than three seasons together in San Antonio. Walker IV joins Summer League Celtics Ron Harper Jr. and Tristan Enaruna as training camp invites.

The Celtics only have minor roster flexibility before the season begins. Jordan Walsh’s deal has roughly $2 million guaranteed remaining. All three two-way slots can be changed at any time, though Walker IV is no longer eligible for one. Jaden Springer’s one-year contract is worth $4.0 million.

Staying with Maine, if Walker IV is waived, would earn him approximately $75,000 for spending 60 days there. Boston’s development program has made strides with both players changing their games and hoping to bolster their defense. Walker IV could benefit from both if he’s willing to be patient. The Celtics would have no exclusive rights to retain him with the organization, other than that small bonus, if they send him to the G-League.

Minimum contracts are pro-rated, so the Celtics save in salary and luxury tax by waiting to sign a 15th man. They waited until Apr. 9 to transition Neemias Queta from a two-way to standard contract, only assuming a $81,253 cap hit. Two-way contracts do not carry a cap or tax hit. Walker IV turns 26 in December.

Man that is a detailed article by Bobby Manning, good for him.

I knew there was a bonus for the affiliate guys compared to a regular G league deal, but interesting that they can earn the whole thing in two months. G-league gets a bit more appealing if you can basically earn multiple deals in the same year. If I'm reading that right, a guy could get an affiliate deal, bounce to another G-league team, get a 10-day deal or two and be well on his way to a quarter million without every really seeing an NBA floor.

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