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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At? 

Post#1581 » by finestrg » Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:18 pm

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finestrg wrote:- Still can't believe we passed on Kyle Filipowski at 25, knowing full well we probably were going to lose Hartenstein.


Why? He doesn't project to be a good NBA player. He has very short arms (shorter wingspan than his height) which never translates well in the NBA.

In fact he's just the 10th player drafted with negative length.

https://imgur.com/a/UD92ssb


I've heard this, along with that fact that he's not a traditional C. Respectfully, I couldn't care less about either criticism, honestly... Didn't even care about the whole falling in love and getting engaged to that older woman. A little unorthodox? Sure, but nowhere near the black mark against him that it was made out to be... Come on, wasn't it all a little overblown?? Not like the poor kid shot someone dead, raped someone or robbed a bank!! I actually felt bad for him that he had to go through all of that... And that it cost him money to boot!

Bottom line for me -- we drafted Dadiet at 25. Only 18, not a position of need and judging by his uneven performance in SL, he's got a ways to go developmentally... Hey for all I know, he's gonna be a good player but we're several years away from finding out if he's a player or if he's Kevin Knox. Let's hope he's a player. No one will be rooting for him more than me.

Filipowski, meanwhile, is only 20 (so very young too -- gotta like that), and again, despite not being a traditional C, is still 7', 230. I know I don't need to tell you guys that 7 footers with his skill set don't grow on trees (agile/mobile, can score in the post, shoot 3s, handle the ball real well for someone that size, can pass the ball like Hartenstein). Not expecting Domas Sabonis rebounding the ball either but I think he'll rebound enough...W/o the stupid 'marrying-his-babysitter' stuff, I bet he wouldn't have even been there at 25... As he continually dropped, I was like oh ****, ok, come to poppa... Then we passed. :nonono: :banghead:

I get part of this was that we were able to get Dadiet at a little less than the max a player picked 25th would've gotten (what did we save there, like $800 - 900K? And that wound up going toward his overseas buyout anyway, right?). But ok, point taken -- still allowed us to save that amount on the cap too, I believe (and I'm sure in exchange, the Knicks agreed to take him on the NBA roster now rather than let him stay stashed in Europe, esp. as this kid is so young and had 'draft and stash' written all over him). I get that Filipowski probably wouldn't have accepted those exact terms (although who knows the way his stock kept plummeting on draft night). But I mean all we had to do then was call all the teams below us from 26 - 31 and see if we could've orchestrated a trade down to get Flip at a lower spot and then at a lower number, no? Come on, the Knicks are the masters at trading down to get their guy at a lower spot..

They just flat out didn't want Filipowski I guess and I found it baffling. Still do...I just feel it was a mistake passing on him. We didn't need Dadiet who's no sure thing anyway... WE DID HAVE A NEED for Kyle Filipowski, however... We're suddenly a win-now team, right? So with our dearth at the 5 spot, why not look to enhance the front court with an NBA ready-now player like KF with his diverse skills to pair with Mitch and let's go after this thing?!?!?

And not for anything -- another thing I still find baffling is how we passed on signing a lot of low cost Cs that also could've helped us like Thomas Bryant, Jay Huff and Omer Yurtseven (we shouldn't have lowballed Yurtseven -- should've offered him guaranteed money)...

No way anyone can convince me that this kid will have zero impact in the NBA --


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Post#1582 » by Iron Mantis » Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:23 pm

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We're still doing this January 2024 championship stuff? We need more data... and a playoff series would provide very meaningful data.

I highlighted the 12 games where all 3 of them played together.

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7 of those 12 games were against lottery teams....some were super tanking teams. That's like bragging about the last 7 games of the season.

In the playoffs, Randle will not be playing the Wizards or Blazers...

Against the .500 teams in that stretch, Randle shot .418 FG and .313 from 3PT and averaged 5.3 assists and 3.9 turnovers including a 1-11 FG stinker against the rival Sixers.

I'm hopeful he can finally come through in the playoffs, but we'll have to wait and see.
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Post#1583 » by Wildcat » Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:08 pm

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We're still doing this January 2024 championship stuff? We need more data... and a playoff series would provide very meaningful data.

I highlighted the 12 games where all 3 of them played together.

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7 of those 12 games were against lottery teams....some were super tanking teams. That's like bragging about the last 7 games of the season.

In the playoffs, Randle will not be playing the Wizards or Blazers...

Against the .500 teams in that stretch, Randle shot .418 FG and .313 from 3PT and averaged 5.3 assists and 3.9 turnovers including a 1-11 FG stinker against the rival Sixers.

I'm hopeful he can finally come through in the playoffs, but we'll have to wait and see.


Before the trade, the Knicks were a bad losing streak away from being a lottery team themselves. And honestly 7 of those games you're calling against lottery teams is subjectively 5 or 6 and only a handful of those teams were considered super tanks (Nets, for example, needed to win as much as possible). In Chicago's case, they played so hard that I dare not call them a lottery team. One of the things that should also be noted is the point differential in the W's. They didn't just beat those lottery teams, they spanked them. At the end of the season, we were begging for blowout wins. And they spanked those contenders. They beat Denver by almost 40. 76ers by almost 40. That doesn't happen if there wasn't something there.

Even with Randle's off game against 76ers, he was still a +13. And he rebounded -- which is key -- the next game with a 39/7/4 spread.

I'll proudly hold up my January trophy. :peace:
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Post#1584 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:21 pm

January 2024 was awesome
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Post#1585 » by BKlutch » Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:43 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:January 2024 was awesome
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They still lost that 1 game. Haha
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Post#1586 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Aug 31, 2024 7:48 pm

finestrg wrote:
StlHawksFan wrote:
finestrg wrote:- Still can't believe we passed on Kyle Filipowski at 25, knowing full well we probably were going to lose Hartenstein.


Why? He doesn't project to be a good NBA player. He has very short arms (shorter wingspan than his height) which never translates well in the NBA.

In fact he's just the 10th player drafted with negative length.

https://imgur.com/a/UD92ssb


I've heard this, along with that fact that he's not a traditional C. Respectfully, I couldn't care less about either criticism, honestly... Didn't even care about the whole falling in love and getting engaged to that older woman. A little unorthodox? Sure, but nowhere near the black mark against him that it was made out to be... Come on, wasn't it all a little overblown?? Not like the poor kid shot someone dead, raped someone or robbed a bank!! I actually felt bad for him that he had to go through all of that... And that it cost him money to boot!

Bottom line for me -- we drafted Dadiet at 25. Only 18, not a position of need and judging by his uneven performance in SL, he's got a ways to go developmentally... Hey for all I know, he's gonna be a good player but we're several years away from finding out if he's a player or if he's Kevin Knox. Let's hope he's a player. No one will be rooting for him more than me.

Filipowski, meanwhile, is only 20 (so very young too -- gotta like that), and again, despite not being a traditional C, is still 7', 230. I know I don't need to tell you guys that 7 footers with his skill set don't grow on trees (agile/mobile, can score in the post, shoot 3s, handle the ball real well for someone that size, can pass the ball like Hartenstein). Not expecting Domas Sabonis rebounding the ball either but I think he'll rebound enough...W/o the stupid 'marrying-his-babysitter' stuff, I bet he wouldn't have even been there at 25... As he continually dropped, I was like oh ****, ok, come to poppa... Then we passed. :nonono: :banghead:

I get part of this was that we were able to get Dadiet at a little less than the max a player picked 25th would've gotten (what did we save there, like $800 - 900K? And that wound up going toward his overseas buyout anyway, right?). But ok, point taken -- still allowed us to save that amount on the cap too, I believe (and I'm sure in exchange, the Knicks agreed to take him on the NBA roster now rather than let him stay stashed in Europe, esp. as this kid is so young and had 'draft and stash' written all over him). I get that Filipowski probably wouldn't have accepted those exact terms (although who knows the way his stock kept plummeting on draft night). But I mean all we had to do then was call all the teams below us from 26 - 31 and see if we could've orchestrated a trade down to get Flip at a lower spot and then at a lower number, no? Come on, the Knicks are the masters at trading down to get their guy at a lower spot..

They just flat out didn't want Filipowski I guess and I found it baffling. Still do...I just feel it was a mistake passing on him. We didn't need Dadiet who's no sure thing anyway... WE DID HAVE A NEED for Kyle Filipowski, however... We're suddenly a win-now team, right? So with our dearth at the 5 spot, why not look to enhance the front court with an NBA ready-now player like KF with his diverse skills to pair with Mitch and let's go after this thing?!?!?

And not for anything -- another thing I still find baffling is how we passed on signing a lot of low cost Cs that also could've helped us like Thomas Bryant, Jay Huff and Omer Yurtseven...

No way anyone can convince me that this kid will have zero impact in the NBA --




Agreed. Knicks blew it again with a French player. Dadiet will be another Frank/Knox, although it's at 25, so a little less painful, but then again, Filip fell because of the weird stuff, so the Knicks could have had a top 15 talent, but instead grabbed a guy who will do 3 years in the G-League and be off the team after that.
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Post#1587 » by Iron Mantis » Sat Aug 31, 2024 7:58 pm

Wildcat wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:
Fury wrote:
Read on Twitter
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We're still doing this January 2024 championship stuff? We need more data... and a playoff series would provide very meaningful data.

I highlighted the 12 games where all 3 of them played together.

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7 of those 12 games were against lottery teams....some were super tanking teams. That's like bragging about the last 7 games of the season.

In the playoffs, Randle will not be playing the Wizards or Blazers...

Against the .500 teams in that stretch, Randle shot .418 FG and .313 from 3PT and averaged 5.3 assists and 3.9 turnovers including a 1-11 FG stinker against the rival Sixers.

I'm hopeful he can finally come through in the playoffs, but we'll have to wait and see.


Before the trade, the Knicks were a bad losing streak away from being a lottery team themselves. And honestly 7 of those games you're calling against lottery teams is subjectively 5 or 6 and only a handful of those teams were considered super tanks (Nets, for example, needed to win as much as possible). In Chicago's case, they played so hard that I dare not call them a lottery team. One of the things that should also be noted is the point differential in the W's. They didn't just beat those lottery teams, they spanked them. At the end of the season, we were begging for blowout wins. And they spanked those contenders. They beat Denver by almost 40. 76ers by almost 40. That doesn't happen if there wasn't something there.

Even with Randle's off game against 76ers, he was still a +13. And he rebounded -- which is key -- the next game with a 39/7/4 spread.

I'll proudly hold up my January trophy. :peace:

What might have happened "before the trade" is not valid so there's no point in discussing it. Knicks could have equally went on a "good winning streak" in January if a trade never happened...all speculation.

Everything I said still stands since it is based on numbers and facts.

7 of those 12 games were against bad teams.....record dictates that. If you're a bad team that year, you have a bad record and thus, you're a lottery team. No interpretation needed.

Randle's stats from that 11-1 were padded when the Knicks beat the 7 bad teams....against the good teams he looked like playoff Randle.

In the playoffs, Randle will not be playing the Wizards or Blazers or any lotto team...

Against the .500 teams in that stretch, Randle shot .418 FG and .313 from 3PT and averaged 5.3 assists and 3.9 turnovers including a 1-11 FG stinker against the rival Sixers.

Those numbers are disturbing and close to his playoff averages.

This is troublesome, but I have hope that at 30 years old he can finally step up in the biggest moments.

That's right...you hold that January trophy, old sport...maybe one day the Warriors, Celtics, or the Nuggets can achieve such an award of the highest honor.
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Post#1588 » by finestrg » Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:10 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
finestrg wrote:
StlHawksFan wrote:
Why? He doesn't project to be a good NBA player. He has very short arms (shorter wingspan than his height) which never translates well in the NBA.

In fact he's just the 10th player drafted with negative length.

https://imgur.com/a/UD92ssb


I've heard this, along with that fact that he's not a traditional C. Respectfully, I couldn't care less about either criticism, honestly... Didn't even care about the whole falling in love and getting engaged to that older woman. A little unorthodox? Sure, but nowhere near the black mark against him that it was made out to be... Come on, wasn't it all a little overblown?? Not like the poor kid shot someone dead, raped someone or robbed a bank!! I actually felt bad for him that he had to go through all of that... And that it cost him money to boot!

Bottom line for me -- we drafted Dadiet at 25. Only 18, not a position of need and judging by his uneven performance in SL, he's got a ways to go developmentally... Hey for all I know, he's gonna be a good player but we're several years away from finding out if he's a player or if he's Kevin Knox. Let's hope he's a player. No one will be rooting for him more than me.

Filipowski, meanwhile, is only 20 (so very young too -- gotta like that), and again, despite not being a traditional C, is still 7', 230. I know I don't need to tell you guys that 7 footers with his skill set don't grow on trees (agile/mobile, can score in the post, shoot 3s, handle the ball real well for someone that size, can pass the ball like Hartenstein). Not expecting Domas Sabonis rebounding the ball either but I think he'll rebound enough...W/o the stupid 'marrying-his-babysitter' stuff, I bet he wouldn't have even been there at 25... As he continually dropped, I was like oh ****, ok, come to poppa... Then we passed. :nonono: :banghead:

I get part of this was that we were able to get Dadiet at a little less than the max a player picked 25th would've gotten (what did we save there, like $800 - 900K? And that wound up going toward his overseas buyout anyway, right?). But ok, point taken -- still allowed us to save that amount on the cap too, I believe (and I'm sure in exchange, the Knicks agreed to take him on the NBA roster now rather than let him stay stashed in Europe, esp. as this kid is so young and had 'draft and stash' written all over him). I get that Filipowski probably wouldn't have accepted those exact terms (although who knows the way his stock kept plummeting on draft night). But I mean all we had to do then was call all the teams below us from 26 - 31 and see if we could've orchestrated a trade down to get Flip at a lower spot and then at a lower number, no? Come on, the Knicks are the masters at trading down to get their guy at a lower spot..

They just flat out didn't want Filipowski I guess and I found it baffling. Still do...I just feel it was a mistake passing on him. We didn't need Dadiet who's no sure thing anyway... WE DID HAVE A NEED for Kyle Filipowski, however... We're suddenly a win-now team, right? So with our dearth at the 5 spot, why not look to enhance the front court with an NBA ready-now player like KF with his diverse skills to pair with Mitch and let's go after this thing?!?!?

And not for anything -- another thing I still find baffling is how we passed on signing a lot of low cost Cs that also could've helped us like Thomas Bryant, Jay Huff and Omer Yurtseven...

No way anyone can convince me that this kid will have zero impact in the NBA --




Agreed. Knicks blew it again with a French player. Dadiet will be another Frank/Knox, although it's at 25, so a little less painful, but then again, Filip fell because of the weird stuff, so the Knicks could have had a top 15 talent, but instead grabbed a guy who will do 3 years in the G-League and be off the team after that.


Baffling how we do such a good job being unbelievably BOLD by going all in on the Bridges trade, bringing back OG, resigning Brunson, etc. But then can't/won't seal the deal by shoring up the middle? Not like we haven't had any options along the way here... Good, quality low-cost ones too!

100 out of 100 times I'm taking Filipowski over Dadiet in the draft btw. Dude was a gift at 25 that we decided to pass on, despite THE GLARING NEED... I mean knowing damn well there was a 99% chance we were going to lose Hartenstein...I mean here's your Hartenstein replacement right here Leon, with even better skills!! I don't get it fellas... Snh
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Post#1589 » by finestrg » Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:37 pm



So clearly you can see why the Knicks think this kid Kessler could help us.

Does anyone know exactly what the package was that we offered Utah that Ainge ultimately turned down? I know it included those 2 protected 1st round picks which admittedly aren't great.. But what else did we include in the offer, anyone know exactly? Deuce McBride?

Also, what is our absolute best offer we could make for him? Are those two protected picks the only 1st rounders we can offer now, post Bridges trade?

Just trying to get an idea if we put our best foot forward in our trade offer(s) for Kessler.
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Post#1590 » by WaltFrazier » Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:53 pm

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They still lost that 1 game. Haha



Those games all had iHart playing too
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Post#1591 » by Iron Mantis » Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:19 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
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3toheadmelo wrote:January 2024 was awesome
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They still lost that 1 game. Haha



Those games all had iHart playing too

Sims started in 2 games of that stretch: vs the Nets and Nuggets. Knicks went 2-0. Knicks are likely on pace for an 82-0 season with Sims as the starting center.

Sims averaged:

6 REB
2.5 BLK
1 AST
87.5 FG%

All NBA level rim protector.

He was a +12 overall during that dominating 2-game stretch and the Knicks beat their opponents by an average of 21.5 points!

Sims also locked up Jokic, forcing him into 7 turnovers!

2-0 January with Sims starting next to OG and Brunson = blowout every team by 20+ points, Undefeated season, sweep the playoffs and win the championship. 8-)
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Post#1592 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Sep 1, 2024 2:52 am

Iron Mantis wrote:
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BKlutch wrote:They still lost that 1 game. Haha



Those games all had iHart playing too

Sims started in 2 games of that stretch: vs the Nets and Nuggets. Knicks went 2-0. Knicks are likely on pace for an 82-0 season with Sims as the starting center.

Sims averaged:

6 REB
2.5 BLK
1 AST
87.5 FG%

All NBA level rim protector.

He was a +12 overall during that dominating 2-game stretch and the Knicks beat their opponents by an average of 21.5 points!

Sims also locked up Jokic, forcing him into 7 turnovers!

2-0 January with Sims starting next to OG and Brunson = blowout every team by 20+ points, Undefeated season, sweep the playoffs and win the championship. 8-)


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Post#1593 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Sep 1, 2024 11:19 am

Knicks should sign Dwight Howard for 10 mpg of ass blasting.
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Post#1594 » by robillionaire » Sun Sep 1, 2024 12:57 pm

Hope everyone had a good summer, I’ve been checked out for a while. Might go to the Knicks preseason game on October 6 idk
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Post#1595 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Sep 1, 2024 2:40 pm

robillionaire wrote:Hope everyone had a good summer, I’ve been checked out for a while. Might go to the Knicks preseason game on October 6 idk

our 3x all star 2x all nba knick is looking healthy 8-)
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Post#1596 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Sep 1, 2024 3:03 pm

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robillionaire wrote:Hope everyone had a good summer, I’ve been checked out for a while. Might go to the Knicks preseason game on October 6 idk

our 3x all star 2x all nba knick is looking healthy 8-)
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I started watching the OG-Randle games again. I'm up to the 3rd game, the Philly game.

The Knicks look so good, and Randle wasn't totally in sync yet, not like he was a few games later.

If Mitch can stay healthy (we know he won't), Precious brings a nice all around game as a backup C.

They'll miss iShart, particularly the later, post Randle version where he was doing more with the ball, but you'd have to think that having Randle back and Mikal now on the team, that that version of the team is better than the late season version that featured hobbled Mitch, no Randle, and Mikal not yet on the team.

Also, this Philly game is the game where Deuce broke out shooting. And think, no more Grimes constantly missing open 3's, Deuce or Donte in that role.

No Burks stinking up the place. Have Donte or Deuce or even Cam Payne to replace that.

Team is in a much better place.

Still would like another legit C to play those 40 games Mitch is going to miss, though.
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Post#1597 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Sep 1, 2024 3:26 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
robillionaire wrote:Hope everyone had a good summer, I’ve been checked out for a while. Might go to the Knicks preseason game on October 6 idk

our 3x all star 2x all nba knick is looking healthy 8-)
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I started watching the OG-Randle games again. I'm up to the 3rd game, the Philly game.

The Knicks look so good, and Randle wasn't totally in sync yet, not like he was a few games later.

If Mitch can stay healthy (we know he won't), Precious brings a nice all around game as a backup C.

They'll miss iShart, particularly the later, post Randle version where he was doing more with the ball, but you'd have to think that having Randle back and Mikal now on the team, that that version of the team is better than the late season version that featured hobbled Mitch, no Randle, and Mikal not yet on the team.

Also, this Philly game is the game where Deuce broke out shooting. And think, no more Grimes constantly missing open 3's, Deuce or Donte in that role.

No Burks stinking up the place. Have Donte or Deuce or even Cam Payne to replace that.

Team is in a much better place.

Still would like another legit C to play those 40 games Mitch is going to miss, though.

January was the best basketball Ive seen from the Knicks since 2013. Building off that and adding Mikal is going to be super fun.

I'm pretty intrigued about using Precious as our starting 5. He played his best basketball as a starter and he can stretch the floor at times.
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Post#1598 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Sep 1, 2024 4:36 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
robillionaire wrote:Hope everyone had a good summer, I’ve been checked out for a while. Might go to the Knicks preseason game on October 6 idk

our 3x all star 2x all nba knick is looking healthy 8-)
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I started watching the OG-Randle games again. I'm up to the 3rd game, the Philly game.

The Knicks look so good, and Randle wasn't totally in sync yet, not like he was a few games later.

If Mitch can stay healthy (we know he won't), Precious brings a nice all around game as a backup C.

They'll miss iShart, particularly the later, post Randle version where he was doing more with the ball, but you'd have to think that having Randle back and Mikal now on the team, that that version of the team is better than the late season version that featured hobbled Mitch, no Randle, and Mikal not yet on the team.

Also, this Philly game is the game where Deuce broke out shooting. And think, no more Grimes constantly missing open 3's, Deuce or Donte in that role.

No Burks stinking up the place. Have Donte or Deuce or even Cam Payne to replace that.

Team is in a much better place.

Still would like another legit C to play those 40 games Mitch is going to miss, though.


Yeah, I don't know how we're not better with Randle than without him so I hope he's at full strength and ready to go. If he's locked in it will make defending us very difficult with so many scoring options on both the starting unit and the bench.

If healthy, we're possibly the deepest squad in the NBA. Having Hart, Donte and Deuce coming off the bench is pretty incredible. Combine that with what I think Kolek is capable of and I expect some of our wins to come from the second unit increasing our leads while the starters rest.
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Post#1599 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Sep 1, 2024 4:47 pm

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I started watching the OG-Randle games again. I'm up to the 3rd game, the Philly game.

The Knicks look so good, and Randle wasn't totally in sync yet, not like he was a few games later.

If Mitch can stay healthy (we know he won't), Precious brings a nice all around game as a backup C.

They'll miss iShart, particularly the later, post Randle version where he was doing more with the ball, but you'd have to think that having Randle back and Mikal now on the team, that that version of the team is better than the late season version that featured hobbled Mitch, no Randle, and Mikal not yet on the team.

Also, this Philly game is the game where Deuce broke out shooting. And think, no more Grimes constantly missing open 3's, Deuce or Donte in that role.

No Burks stinking up the place. Have Donte or Deuce or even Cam Payne to replace that.

Team is in a much better place.

Still would like another legit C to play those 40 games Mitch is going to miss, though.


Yeah, I don't know how we're not better with Randle than without him so I hope he's at full strength and ready to go. If he's locked in it will make defending us very difficult with so many scoring options on both the starting unit and the bench.

If healthy, we're possibly the deepest squad in the NBA. Having Hart, Donte and Deuce coming off the bench is pretty incredible. Combine that with what I think Kolek is capable of and I expect some of our wins to come from the second unit increasing our leads while the starters rest.


Yeah, considering the Knicks first 4 off the bench is probably:
Donte
Hart
Precious
Deuce

that's a nice bench.

What is even better, and I'm aware of the thing people say where the last 4 guys on the bench don't win games, but to have some combination of the following available is really something:

Kolek
Cam Payne
KeitaBates-Diop
Sims
Dadiet
McCullars

Deepest Knick team in 50 + years
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Post#1600 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Sep 1, 2024 4:52 pm

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I started watching the OG-Randle games again. I'm up to the 3rd game, the Philly game.

The Knicks look so good, and Randle wasn't totally in sync yet, not like he was a few games later.

If Mitch can stay healthy (we know he won't), Precious brings a nice all around game as a backup C.

They'll miss iShart, particularly the later, post Randle version where he was doing more with the ball, but you'd have to think that having Randle back and Mikal now on the team, that that version of the team is better than the late season version that featured hobbled Mitch, no Randle, and Mikal not yet on the team.

Also, this Philly game is the game where Deuce broke out shooting. And think, no more Grimes constantly missing open 3's, Deuce or Donte in that role.

No Burks stinking up the place. Have Donte or Deuce or even Cam Payne to replace that.

Team is in a much better place.

Still would like another legit C to play those 40 games Mitch is going to miss, though.


Yeah, I don't know how we're not better with Randle than without him so I hope he's at full strength and ready to go. If he's locked in it will make defending us very difficult with so many scoring options on both the starting unit and the bench.

If healthy, we're possibly the deepest squad in the NBA. Having Hart, Donte and Deuce coming off the bench is pretty incredible. Combine that with what I think Kolek is capable of and I expect some of our wins to come from the second unit increasing our leads while the starters rest.


Yeah, considering the Knicks first 4 off the bench is probably:
Donte
Hart
Precious
Deuce

that's a nice bench.

What is even better, and I'm aware of the thing people say where the last 4 guys on the bench don't win games, but to have some combination of the following available is really something:

Kolek
Cam Payne
KeitaBates-Diop
Sims
Dadiet
McCullars

Deepest Knick team in 50 + years


Are P Daddy and Crueller going to be on the main roster?

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