Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 8.0: A Forum Divided

[eyriq]

One of the most interesting subplots to me is Cole Anthony's hold on the 6th man role.

[drsd]

One of the most interesting subplots to me is Cole Anthony's hold on the 6th man role.

And-1

I for one am shocked he is still on the roster, as it is ludicrous for Black to be a third stringer. And if Black is the backup PG, then why doe Anthony still own a blue T-shirt?

Trading Anthony for a quality backup SF makes all the sense in the world to me.

[BadMofoPimp]

One of the most interesting subplots to me is Cole Anthony's hold on the 6th man role.

And-1

I for one am shocked he is still on the roster, as it is ludicrous for Black to be a third stringer. And if Black is the backup PG, then why doe Anthony still own a blue T-shirt?

Trading Anthony for a quality backup SF makes all the sense in the world to me.

Tristan says hello!

Besides, Cole's contract will be even better trade bait next year.

[drsd]

Tristan says hello!

Besides, Cole's contract will be even better trade bait next year.

Orlando has assets to have a much, much better backup SF over da Silva. As of now, I think most of the backup minutes will be split between Harris and Black, anyhow.

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Tristan says hello!

Besides, Cole's contract will be even better trade bait next year.

Orlando has assets to have a much, much better backup SF over da Silva. As of now, I think most of the backup minutes will be split between Harris and Black, anyhow.

No.

You don't spend a first round pick on a 23 year old player, and forgo picking up Ingles option, just to play two guys out of positional advantage.

You obviously play the 6'9 SF who was drafted to replace Ingles minutes. Obviously...

They are publicly admitting to botching the 2024 draft if anything happens otherwise.

[jezzerinho]

Tristan says hello!

Besides, Cole's contract will be even better trade bait next year.

Orlando has assets to have a much, much better backup SF over da Silva. As of now, I think most of the backup minutes will be split between Harris and Black, anyhow.

During the season, everyone will get some burn.

In the IST, key games and playins/offs, it'll be mainly JI, Moe/Goga (prob Moe) and someone to initiate bench offense. Last year that was Ingles in regular season, then Cole gave way to Fultz in the postseason.

This year? Cole or Black or Joseph.

The 2 abovw who dont get the honour, plus everyone else: Harris, Jett, Houstan, Queen, DaSilva, Goga... small minutes.

[drsd]

No.

You don't spend a first round pick on a 23 year old player, and forgo picking up Ingles option, just to play two guys out of positional advantage.

Rookie years for Mr. #18
12/3/4 - Jaime Jaquez Jr.
12/1/1 - Dalen Terry
10/1/3 - Tre Mann
3/1/2 - Josh Green
3/0/2 - Goga Bitadze
3/1/1 - Lonnie Walker IV
3/0/2 - T. J. Leaf
3/0/2 - Henry Ellenson
0/0/0 - Sam Dekker (what a stat line!)
4/2/1 - Tyler Ennis
3/2/1 - Shane Larkin
6/1/3 - Terrence Jones

So: the last three years, Mr #18 has been a key scoring contributor. But historically the rookie-18 has been of little consequence (even when the player develops to a nice asset in time).

[VFX]

No.

You don't spend a first round pick on a 23 year old player, and forgo picking up Ingles option, just to play two guys out of positional advantage.

Rookie years for Mr. #18
12/3/4 - Jaime Jaquez Jr.
12/1/1 - Dalen Terry
10/1/3 - Tre Mann
3/1/2 - Josh Green
3/0/2 - Goga Bitadze
3/1/1 - Lonnie Walker IV
3/0/2 - T. J. Leaf
3/0/2 - Henry Ellenson
0/0/0 - Sam Dekker (what a stat line!)
4/2/1 - Tyler Ennis
3/2/1 - Shane Larkin
6/1/3 - Terrence Jones

So: the last three years, Mr #18 has been a key scoring contributor. But historically the rookie-18 has been of little consequence (even when the player develops to a nice asset in time).

I don't think listing everyone taken in the last 12 drafts really proves anything. How many of these guys were 23 year old seniors filling in as backups?

Context matters in terms of who these players are competing with for minutes.

Last I checked... Gary Harris is a 6'4 Guard and not a 6'9 Switch Forward. Ingles would have been retained if they didn't think a 23 year old couldnt fill in as Franz' backup.

It doesnt really matter if we believe TDS is of little consequence. There are no other backup Forwards on the roster capable of coming in for Franz. That is unless you think Isaac is going to do it despite not having done it more than 20 minutes last season. da Silva has 3-4 years on AB and Jett Howard.

[drsd]

Not sure if this was posted:
The Orlando Magic formally announced the signings of four free agents on Wednesday night – guard/forward Jarrett Culver, guard Myron Gardner, and forwards Jalen Slawson and Tre Scott.

All are training camp exhibit 10 guys.

[byeganyo]

No.

You don't spend a first round pick on a 23 year old player, and forgo picking up Ingles option, just to play two guys out of positional advantage.

Rookie years for Mr. #18
12/3/4 - Jaime Jaquez Jr.
12/1/1 - Dalen Terry
10/1/3 - Tre Mann
3/1/2 - Josh Green
3/0/2 - Goga Bitadze
3/1/1 - Lonnie Walker IV
3/0/2 - T. J. Leaf
3/0/2 - Henry Ellenson
0/0/0 - Sam Dekker (what a stat line!)
4/2/1 - Tyler Ennis
3/2/1 - Shane Larkin
6/1/3 - Terrence Jones

So: the last three years, Mr #18 has been a key scoring contributor. But historically the rookie-18 has been of little consequence (even when the player develops to a nice asset in time).

Dalen Terry scroed 2 PPG, not 12.

[Skybox]

Applying CPR to the Trade Thread...eligible in DEC...presuming ORL offense still in the mud, CLE still confused, ATL realistic

CLE sends: Darius Garland, Georges Niang
CLE gets: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Bogdan Bogdonavic, Cole Anthony
Why: balances backcourt with Donovan/KCP and Cole/Bogie off the bench...defense/length/depth/shooting. ORL really is concerned about strengthening CLE's backcourt as a rival - but sees Garland as the "piece"...worth more to ORL than to CLE, given the rosters.

ORL sends: KCP, Gary Harris, Cole Anthony, ORL 25 frp (top 8 protected - if doesn't convey, then DEN 25 frp goes)
ORL gets: Darius Garland
Why: ORL bets big on Garland becoming Donovan Mitchell/Jalen Brunson out of Mitchell's shadow and post-injury. They finally come to the conclusion that having Suggs & KCP as a backcourt isn't feasible and that a true playmaker and elite scoring threat is a better complement to Paolo & Franz long-term. ORL hopes the defensive presence of guys like Suggs, Isaac, and Black can compensate. IF Suggs had gotten his extension, he could be the one going to CLE and ORL wouldn't have to add as much...but hard to work the salaries. Suggs & KCP are essentially similar players, but Suggs' youth and QB intangibles make him more valuable...also, ORL has to face his upcoming large $$ deal. KCP is older but rock-solid and under a fair deal. Having the best defense but the worst offense (among playoff teams) puts a hard ceiling on the team and compromises the D a bit to add much more offensive firepower and versatility.

Garland, Black, CoJo
Suggs, Jett, Queen
Franz, da Silva, Houstan
Paolo, Isaac
WCJ, Mo, Goga...no more debate about who has THE best young core. IF Jett Black wake up, we're deep too.

ATL sends: Bogdan Bogdanovic
ATL gets: Georges Niang, Gary Harris, ORL 25 frp (with some protections)
Why: ATL frees an unhappy Bogie and moves towards a semi-rebuild with a legit frp this summer. Harris and Niang are heady, floor-spreading vets on short-term deals to support Trae, JJ, Daniels, the rook, and whoever comes next.

[Skybox]

ORL sends: Franz Wagner, Cole Anthony, DEN 25 frp (enough? I'd add if needed)
MEM sends: Ja Morant, G.G. Jackson

Ja wants a fresh start in a "wave your AR-15 around" state and see Franz' upside. Jackson is a crazy upside wild card for ORL bench. ORL suddenly a serious threat to contend in the East or backslide...star power wins rings-don't be scared. Tristan da Silva is almost ready.

Ja Morant, Anthony Black, CoJo
Suggs, KCP, Jett
Isaac or KCP, da Silva, Houstan
Paolo, Jackson, Isaac
WCJ, Mo, Goga

KCP didn't come here to sub, but top 3 guards will all get starter minutes and KCP is also big enough to defend up at 3 quite often. Nasty nasty intense backcourt...especially if AB takes a leap. Jackson is fun, but if MEM insisted, he could be left out. Ja is a much higher-profile MVP-level visibility guy nationally, but I don't think Franz' value is far off overall and, ultimately, Franz might exceed Ja. You can knock Ja's floor spacing, but Franz isn't exactly "Stephing it up" either. I love Franz' versatile upside, but Paolo is right next to him, doing a lot of the same stuff while our guards (presently) just watch.

The fire of Ja, Paolo, Suggs, KCP is an intoxicating vision...with the solid 2-way players up and down the roster

[Skybox]

I've always liked Donte DiVincenzo. 2nd round prospect - kills it in scrimmages at the combine and jumps up into the draft...impactful, well-rounded player, but definitely has that Dawg in him...but after watching him jawing at the NYK coaching staff, I want him more than ever. Plus, he'd be a great fit as a versatile combo guard who can handle, defend, and spread the floor. Not a star, but a rock-solid, versatile contributor who ONLY cares about winning. Supposedly, MIN wanted him as a FA coming out of GSW (like I did), so they may not even take the call, but...

ORL sends: Gary Harris, Jett Howard
MIN sends: DDV

Why for MIN...Dillingham will be on-ball off the bench, if Jingles can walk-him too. They move off DDV's versatility for a solid, heady, 3&D vet on a budget deal AND a tremendous shooting prospect with good size in Jett. Depending on who develops this year, MIN also has an opportunity to trim more $$ with Harris' TO next summer. The KAT deal was all about finances - but MIN is still a strong contender...if some of their prospects continue to progress.

For ORL...DDV is near perfect as a third guard, playing with either of the starters (who are both mediocre - or worse - on ball). AB would still be the developing PG, which gives ORL 4 big, good shooting, defensive nightmares in the backcourt. Cole would be out of the rotation and looking for a new home elsewhere. I'd even add a couple of srps if needed (or even DEN frp) because I really think DDV is a big factor in winning, fierce basketball - way beyond his stats. For the same reasons that I love DDV, I don't know if MIN would listen to offers - as they also consider themselves on the brink of winning. However, they have shown a desire to cut payroll and get younger, while still attempting to contend.