Crazy Idea, shoot from 28 feet

[AussieBuck]

Brook Lopez shoots from this range from above the break for no other reason than it gives him a chance of getting back on D in time.

[cupcakesnake]

I know KAT likes to say he's the best 3 pt shooting big of all time, and maybe he is, but I think KP has a case as best floor spacing big of all time. Major weapon.

No you didn't.

Over the last 3 years, KAT shoots:
- 43% on open 3s (1.8 attempts per 36)
- 39.5% on pull up 3s (0.8 attempts per 36)
- 40% on all catch & shoot 3s (4.6 attempts per 36)

Porzingis over the same stretch...
- 35.4% on opens 3s (2.3 attempts per 36)
- 25% on pull up 3s (0.5 attempts per 36)
- 37% on all catch & shoot 3s (5.5 attempts per 36).

I think the real thing with KAT is the kinds of threes he can shoot. KAT shoots step backs off the dribble, and comes off screens like he's Klay.

Honestly, to me he's the most dangerous when he plays more like Porzingis: stand above the break and dare your defender to leave you while Ant runs a pick & roll. But let's not let feelings get in the way here, Porzingis is not in the same class of shooter as KAT, and you a very rude and very bad boy for suggesting this!

[bisme37]

I know KAT likes to say he's the best 3 pt shooting big of all time, and maybe he is, but I think KP has a case as best floor spacing big of all time. Major weapon.

No you didn't.

Over the last 3 years, KAT shoots:
- 43% on open 3s (1.8 attempts per 36)
- 39.5% on pull up 3s (0.8 attempts per 36)
- 40% on all catch & shoot 3s (4.6 attempts per 36)

Porzingis over the same stretch...
- 35.4% on opens 3s (2.3 attempts per 36)
- 25% on pull up 3s (0.5 attempts per 36)
- 37% on all catch & shoot 3s (5.5 attempts per 36).

I think the real thing with KAT is the kinds of threes he can shoot. KAT shoots step backs off the dribble, and comes off screens like he's Klay.

Honestly, to me he's the most dangerous when he plays more like Porzingis: stand above the break and dare your defender to leave you while Ant runs a pick & roll. But let's not let feelings get in the way here, Porzingis is not in the same class of shooter as KAT, and you a very rude and very bad boy for suggesting this!

Haha I tried to word my post in a way where I wasn't stealing KAT's crown as the best shooter. Not sure if it's as much as a distinction as I want it to be, but I was giving KP a separate crown of floor spacing.

His size and the fact that he sets up and shoots from several feet behind the line opened the floor for the Celtics like something I've never seen. But KAT is the better shooter.

[cupcakesnake]

I know KAT likes to say he's the best 3 pt shooting big of all time, and maybe he is, but I think KP has a case as best floor spacing big of all time. Major weapon.

No you didn't.

Over the last 3 years, KAT shoots:
- 43% on open 3s (1.8 attempts per 36)
- 39.5% on pull up 3s (0.8 attempts per 36)
- 40% on all catch & shoot 3s (4.6 attempts per 36)

Porzingis over the same stretch...
- 35.4% on opens 3s (2.3 attempts per 36)
- 25% on pull up 3s (0.5 attempts per 36)
- 37% on all catch & shoot 3s (5.5 attempts per 36).

I think the real thing with KAT is the kinds of threes he can shoot. KAT shoots step backs off the dribble, and comes off screens like he's Klay.

Honestly, to me he's the most dangerous when he plays more like Porzingis: stand above the break and dare your defender to leave you while Ant runs a pick & roll. But let's not let feelings get in the way here, Porzingis is not in the same class of shooter as KAT, and you a very rude and very bad boy for suggesting this!

Haha I tried to word my post in a way where I wasn't stealing KAT's crown as the best shooter. Not sure if it's as much as a distinction as I want it to be, but I was giving KP a separate crown of floor spacing.

His size and the fact that he sets up and shoots from several feet behind the line opened the floor for the Celtics like something I've never seen. But KAT is the better shooter.

I think it's also Boston's system that makes such great use of spacing. Whether it's Porzingis spacing for Tatum drives, or other spacing for Porzingis to post up into a mid ranger (he's elite at those too).

In Minnesota I feel we leave something on the table in terms of the spacing we do have. Obviously we don't have the same personnel (Gobert will never be a shooter, and until this upcoming season we had Kyle Anderson as a rotation piece). Personnel aside though, I feel we didn't always emphasize spacing in our offense enough. KAT in the corner, or KAT above the break, our offense looked very difficult to guard. We'd still mix in post-ups and pick & rolls for KAT though, and that's just never going to that consistent with Gobert on the floor. Boston seems more ruthless and committed to the most efficient system, while Minnesota still dabbles a bit in unhelpful variety. In Naz/KAT lineups, we should be the best spaced offense in the league. Instead we were 23rd in 3-point attempts.

[Texas Chuck]

I stand behind my take. I'm honestly struggling to make a case for guys like Bonner or Bertans as best floor spacing big. I'll take your word that they were/are able to shoot from KP-like distance, but I really don't remember them doing that with any regularity.

And you're pointing to the speed of a shooter's release. But at KP's height and with his ability to use his handle to create space, no one can really do anything about his shot even if his release is slow as molasses (which it isn't). So many possessions that ended up with a made 3 or foul from the defender. And so much space for everyone else to operate.

I'm not saying anything against KP's ability to get shots off. But he is doing other things offensively. They are literally just spacers. So every minute they are on the court, they are providing elite spacing because you cannot leave them or they will pull and hit at a high percentage.

It's not about them being better players, obviously they aren't. Or even better shooters, though they are. It's about being a specialist who is literally only in the league because they are 6'10" and can bomb.

I'm probably getting too nuanced, but again if its the best spacing big man, I don't think its a star. I think its a role player.

[dk1115]

Remember when players were taught to take a step in from 3, to take a 2?

[165bows]

I know KAT likes to say he's the best 3 pt shooting big of all time, and maybe he is, but I think KP has a case as best floor spacing big of all time. Major weapon.

No you didn't.

Over the last 3 years, KAT shoots:
- 43% on open 3s (1.8 attempts per 36)
- 39.5% on pull up 3s (0.8 attempts per 36)
- 40% on all catch & shoot 3s (4.6 attempts per 36)

Porzingis over the same stretch...
- 35.4% on opens 3s (2.3 attempts per 36)
- 25% on pull up 3s (0.5 attempts per 36)
- 37% on all catch & shoot 3s (5.5 attempts per 36).

I think the real thing with KAT is the kinds of threes he can shoot. KAT shoots step backs off the dribble, and comes off screens like he's Klay.

Honestly, to me he's the most dangerous when he plays more like Porzingis: stand above the break and dare your defender to leave you while Ant runs a pick & roll. But let's not let feelings get in the way here, Porzingis is not in the same class of shooter as KAT, and you a very rude and very bad boy for suggesting this!

Haha I tried to word my post in a way where I wasn't stealing KAT's crown as the best shooter. Not sure if it's as much as a distinction as I want it to be, but I was giving KP a separate crown of floor spacing.

His size and the fact that he sets up and shoots from several feet behind the line opened the floor for the Celtics like something I've never seen. But KAT is the better shooter.

I’m not getting into the specific comparison but I do think the overall point has merit. Porzingis doesn’t hit threes as accurately as Al Horford, who has elite 3PT% at this point. But there is a major element Porzingis provides in how he shoots that is totally missing compared to Al Horford.

The KAT piece I’m not commenting on but those two above are a very good comp for what I think your are describing.

Bertāns I don’t remember a ton about specifically but he does have some really crazy 3PTA rate numbers for a bench guy, albeit I think he was mainly a PF. But he and Bonner (who iirc was much much closer to an Al Horford, c+s, toes on the three point line) were bench guys which makes it a little tougher to have a goat status on them.