With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche

[raptorforlife88]

Please guys we can't turn every single thread into a should we be tanking thread. It happened to the Koloko thread somehow (which I contributed to as well). We don't need to turn every African center thread into these.

[Smalltown]

Aren't most of those teams bad because they are tanking?

Yes. And we won't be able to out tank them.

[Chandan]

Aren't most of those teams bad because they are tanking?

Yes. And we won't be able to out tank them.

Yea and we won't be able to outplay good teams either. So.... We keep adding mediocre talents and it's treadmill time?

[Smalltown]

Yea and we won't be able to outplay good teams either. So.... Treadmill time?

Or. We try to incrementally improve while giving our guys experience. Not everything has to be all or nothing.

[youngRAPZ]

Please guys we can't turn every single thread into a should we be tanking thread. It happened to the Koloko thread somehow (which I contributed to as well). We don't need to turn every African center thread into these.

That’s exactly what’s going to happen. Tankers can’t resist fantasizing about the number 1 pick.



Chomche seems to have a good work ethic and drive to improve. I think having bouche on the team is good for him considering you can tell he doesn’t speak English as well as French.

Hope he’s here for a long time and not a good time like Bruno and Bebe lol

[YogurtProducer]

That's kinda the joy of the position we are currently in. We have a good base with Scottie, and an alright supporting cast with RJ/IQ. The team needs another Scottie level talent if there is any chance to turn this team into anything more than first round fodder, the next 2 years of drafts are looking to be very deep, especially the upcoming 2025 draft. This could be another in and out bad season like Tampa, we just have to be creative with it. Shutting down Jak for a decent chunk of time will be an easy way to secure a fair chunk of losses, trading him would be a guaranteed way to do it, but I know some people are adverse to that.

If we could swing a top 5 pick this year, I would happily bounce back to attempting to compete starting next year. We aren't in a horrible situation, but we are at a crossroads where we can either lean into getting some high level talent for a relatively short period of "bad", or we can lean into trying to force a limited and flawed core into making the play in and getting a mediocre pick that likely won't be super impactful.

Nothing in life is guaranteed, but if I told you the team has a rather high chance at adding some desperately needed talent which in turn gives a much higher chance to be a real competitive team, with a much higher ceiling for a short 1 year dip, over a low chance of becoming a real competitive team but reach that lower ceiling 1 year sooner, would you still pick the latter?

No one is calling for a fire sale and tanking for 5 years.

The problem with all that is it doesn't even come close to guaranteeing you a top 5 pick. There are some truly terrible teams in the league this year. The Raptors would probably still stumble into more wins than 5-7 other teams. In which case the odds are actually greater to move down in the draft than up.

At this point i think the move is to let this team show what it can do while developing the young guys. If we fall just short we probably pick 10-14. If we exceed expectations - the young players get valuable playoff experience.

Aren't most of those teams bad because they are tanking?

And becuase their tanks have not resulting in any meaningful players because again, tanking is no guarantee.

[Scase]

Except it's rarely short-term pain. Very few teams move from tank to competitive in less than 5 years.

That's kinda the joy of the position we are currently in. We have a good base with Scottie, and an alright supporting cast with RJ/IQ. The team needs another Scottie level talent if there is any chance to turn this team into anything more than first round fodder, the next 2 years of drafts are looking to be very deep, especially the upcoming 2025 draft. This could be another in and out bad season like Tampa, we just have to be creative with it. Shutting down Jak for a decent chunk of time will be an easy way to secure a fair chunk of losses, trading him would be a guaranteed way to do it, but I know some people are adverse to that.

If we could swing a top 5 pick this year, I would happily bounce back to attempting to compete starting next year. We aren't in a horrible situation, but we are at a crossroads where we can either lean into getting some high level talent for a relatively short period of "bad", or we can lean into trying to force a limited and flawed core into making the play in and getting a mediocre pick that likely won't be super impactful.

Nothing in life is guaranteed, but if I told you the team has a rather high chance at adding some desperately needed talent which in turn gives a much higher chance to be a real competitive team, with a much higher ceiling for a short 1 year dip, over a low chance of becoming a real competitive team but reach that lower ceiling 1 year sooner, would you still pick the latter?

No one is calling for a fire sale and tanking for 5 years.

The problem with all that is it doesn't even come close to guaranteeing you a top 5 pick. There are some truly terrible teams in the league this year. The Raptors would probably still stumble into more wins than 5-7 other teams. In which case the odds are actually greater to move down in the draft than up.

At this point i think the move is to let this team show what it can do while developing the young guys. If we fall just short we probably pick 10-14. If we exceed expectations - the young players get valuable playoff experience.

This team without Jak is a sub 25 win team, we are one of those terrible teams. We have very little talent, and zero depth, trade Jak and even a minor injury puts us at expansion era level wins.

[PhilBlackson]

Something for y’all to watch who are itching to see more of Ulrich.

A glimpse into Chomche’s life & upbringing…you’re welcome lol

https://www.nba.com/watch/video/episode-1-small-village-big-dreams?plsrc=nba&collection=nba-africa-born-bred-season-2

We got a real life Prince on our team lol but fr he has a confidence about him. There’s just something about this kid that makes me think he’s gonna become a really good player when it’s all said & done.

[Chandan]

Yea and we won't be able to outplay good teams either. So.... Treadmill time?

Or. We try to incrementally improve while giving our guys experience. Not everything has to be all or nothing.

What's stopping the spurs from incrementally improving now after they got Wemby last year? Nothing really. I doubt Pop is losing sleep over his players not getting playoff experiences.

Its always the same line of reasoning that prevents us from a shot of those generation talents.

[Tripod]

Yea and we won't be able to outplay good teams either. So.... Treadmill time?

Or. We try to incrementally improve while giving our guys experience. Not everything has to be all or nothing.

What's stopping the spurs from incrementally improving now after they got Wemby last year? Nothing really. I doubt Pop is losing sleep over his players not getting playoff experiences.

Its always the same line of reasoning that prevents us from a shot of those generation talents.

Maybe because we have history to look back on and how rare it is to get the generational talent? Or that you can find the talent elsewhere? Yeah you have Lebron...or wenby at 1...but you also have Curry, Giannis, Jokic picked elsewhere.

Hell, look at our own history of picking top 5:

Barnes
JV
Bargaini
Bosh
Bender
Jamison
Camby

Raps WILL be developing lots of guys this year without TRYING to tank. BBQ Dick will be at the forefront of that. Then they surround them with a few rotational vets in Yak, KO and Brown. Then they also try and see if guys like Mitchell and Ochai have another level they can get to in order to have a future here.

That's 6 guys developing with 3 vets.

And while that is going on we still are going to be developing Walter, Shead, Moģbo and Chomche in the 905, working with trainers and mop up NBA time.

That's 10 guys we are developing and hoping for improvement on. This is what developing depth from within looks like. This is what developing a pipeline of depth looks like. Get used to it.

We will never tank from day 1 of the season like some other teams. Best to accept it. But as history has shown, there are other ways to win.

[WetLikeWater]

Something for y’all to watch who are itching to see more of Ulrich.

A glimpse into Chomche’s life & upbringing…you’re welcome lol

https://www.nba.com/watch/video/episode-1-small-village-big-dreams?plsrc=nba&collection=nba-africa-born-bred-season-2

We got a real life Prince on our team lol but fr he has a confidence about him. There’s just something about this kid that makes me think he’s gonna become a really good player when it’s all said & done.

thanks for sharing! i didnt know we drafted a prince into our team hahaha

[Vampirate]

As of right now, and obviously this could change with how athletically gifted, tall, raw and young he is, I can see him as a Robert Williams type of player but not so sure about the finishing.

The guy is just going to be a headache to deal with on the defensive side as for someone that's 6"10 he's so light on his feet.

[Raps in 4]

Or. We try to incrementally improve while giving our guys experience. Not everything has to be all or nothing.

What's stopping the spurs from incrementally improving now after they got Wemby last year? Nothing really. I doubt Pop is losing sleep over his players not getting playoff experiences.

Its always the same line of reasoning that prevents us from a shot of those generation talents.

Maybe because we have history to look back on and how rare it is to get the generational talent? Or that you can find the talent elsewhere? Yeah you have Lebron...or wenby at 1...but you also have Curry, Giannis, Jokic picked elsewhere.

Hell, look at our own history of picking top 5:

Barnes
JV
Bargaini
Bosh
Bender
Jamison
Camby

Raps WILL be developing lots of guys this year without TRYING to tank. BBQ Dick will be at the forefront of that. Then they surround them with a few rotational vets in Yak, KO and Brown. Then they also try and see if guys like Mitchell and Ochai have another level they can get to in order to have a future here.

That's 6 guys developing with 3 vets.

And while that is going on we still are going to be developing Walter, Shead, Moģbo and Chomche in the 905, working with trainers and mop up NBA time.

That's 10 guys we are developing and hoping for improvement on. This is what developing depth from within looks like. This is what developing a pipeline of depth looks like. Get used to it.

We will never tank from day 1 of the season like some other teams. Best to accept it. But as history has shown, there are other ways to win.

Curry was a top-10 pick, as have been the vast majority of top player's throughout the league's history. You definitely don't need the 1st overall pick to draft a generational talent, but that's not what tanking is about.

[raincityraptors]

I'm old enough to remember RealGM threads about players that actually included discussion of the actual player in the thread.

Remember those days?

[rapsincr]

i feel like i made a wrong turn into the tank thread.

[Tripod]

What's stopping the spurs from incrementally improving now after they got Wemby last year? Nothing really. I doubt Pop is losing sleep over his players not getting playoff experiences.

Its always the same line of reasoning that prevents us from a shot of those generation talents.

Maybe because we have history to look back on and how rare it is to get the generational talent? Or that you can find the talent elsewhere? Yeah you have Lebron...or wenby at 1...but you also have Curry, Giannis, Jokic picked elsewhere.

Hell, look at our own history of picking top 5:

Barnes
JV
Bargaini
Bosh
Bender
Jamison
Camby

Raps WILL be developing lots of guys this year without TRYING to tank. BBQ Dick will be at the forefront of that. Then they surround them with a few rotational vets in Yak, KO and Brown. Then they also try and see if guys like Mitchell and Ochai have another level they can get to in order to have a future here.

That's 6 guys developing with 3 vets.

And while that is going on we still are going to be developing Walter, Shead, Moģbo and Chomche in the 905, working with trainers and mop up NBA time.

That's 10 guys we are developing and hoping for improvement on. This is what developing depth from within looks like. This is what developing a pipeline of depth looks like. Get used to it.

We will never tank from day 1 of the season like some other teams. Best to accept it. But as history has shown, there are other ways to win.

Curry was a top-10 pick, as have been the vast majority of top player's throughout the league's history. You definitely don't need the 1st overall pick to draft a generational talent, but that's not what tanking is about.

We have more top 10 picks on the team right now than when we won the Championship.

Again, more than 1 way to win.

[Badonkadonk]

i feel like i made a wrong turn into the tank thread.

It's every thread. Big reason I post much less lately, aside from summer weather

[youngRAPZ]

I'm old enough to remember RealGM threads about players that actually included discussion of the actual player in the thread.

Remember those days?

It’s kind of sad every thread gets turned into a “we need to tank today or else we’re doomed” discussion.

[Chandan]

Maybe because we have history to look back on and how rare it is to get the generational talent? Or that you can find the talent elsewhere? Yeah you have Lebron...or wenby at 1...but you also have Curry, Giannis, Jokic picked elsewhere.

Hell, look at our own history of picking top 5:

Barnes
JV
Bargaini
Bosh
Bender
Jamison
Camby

Raps WILL be developing lots of guys this year without TRYING to tank. BBQ Dick will be at the forefront of that. Then they surround them with a few rotational vets in Yak, KO and Brown. Then they also try and see if guys like Mitchell and Ochai have another level they can get to in order to have a future here.

That's 6 guys developing with 3 vets.

And while that is going on we still are going to be developing Walter, Shead, Moģbo and Chomche in the 905, working with trainers and mop up NBA time.

That's 10 guys we are developing and hoping for improvement on. This is what developing depth from within looks like. This is what developing a pipeline of depth looks like. Get used to it.

We will never tank from day 1 of the season like some other teams. Best to accept it. But as history has shown, there are other ways to win.

Curry was a top-10 pick, as have been the vast majority of top player's throughout the league's history. You definitely don't need the 1st overall pick to draft a generational talent, but that's not what tanking is about.

We have more top 10 picks on the team right now than when we won the Championship.

Again, more than 1 way to win.

There is only one way to win, putting the ball into the basket. We need guys with offensive talent.

[PD28]

I'm a little concerned about his hands on the offensive end but the potential is there. They should throw things at him all summer to improve his ability to catch and control the ball lol