Blazers/Spurs

[louc1970]

Assuming the Blazers are able to move Ayton (rumors posted in other thread):

Blazers send Simons
Spurs send Jones/Collins/2 - 25 FRP (via Chi and Charlotte) neither likely to convey.

Blazers get a seasoned backup center behind Clingan allowing Ayton and Williams to be moved. Jones gives a backup PG to play behind Henderson without fighting for his minutes. Sharpe then gets the fulltime 2G spot with sharing with Simons.

Spurs gets a starter who can concentrate on making the team (Wemby) better while allowing Paul to take Castle under his wings. Spurs then have a 2 tiered team based on age.
Simons, Vassel, Johnson, Barnes as an older group (24 and up)
Wemby, Castle, Sochan, Cissoko as an under 21 group.

[Skybox]

I understand that Simons' future with POR is unclear but I really hope they can get more value than this for him.

[JRoy]

Pass for POR and I am not a Simons fan.

[giberish]

I don't really get this for either team.

For SA, Vassell and Castle are (for now at least) their long-term starting guards (long-term starting forwards are much more uncertain). Simons really just gets in the way. I'm not a fan of this deal for the Spurs even if they're not including useful picks.

For Portland this clears Simons salary down to a cheaper backup PG in Jones but I think they'd want at least one useful rebuilding asset in a Simons trade (and SA shouldn't be giving one up).

[tester551]

Assuming the Blazers are able to move Ayton (rumors posted in other thread):

Which rumors and/or thread are you referring to?

I haven't seen anything remotely legitimate.

[JRoy]

There is wishful thinking but nothing substantial so far as I have heard.

[wemby]

Blazers send Simons
Spurs send Jones/Collins/2 - 25 FRP (via Chi and Charlotte) neither likely to convey.

Why is the Bulls' pick unlikely to convey? It's top 10 protected in '25 and top 8 protected in '26 and '27, you think the Bulls will tank 3 straight years? I don't. And if it conveys, it's likely to be a mid to late lottery, which should be pretty juicy.

The replies to this proposal are the typical knee-jerk responses you usually see around here. Anyone who thinks the difference in value between Simons and Keldon Johnson is a possible lottery pick (very likely IMO) and at least 2 SRP, should really watch some basketball before hitting the keyboard. Blazers wish they could get this offer, and of course they won't.

Reality will set things straight pretty soon, like it happened with all those Brogdon, RWII proposals people scoffed at and inevitably time set the record straight. And how can I forget the Trae ones, ahh... good times.

[cucad8]

Blazers send Simons
Spurs send Jones/Collins/2 - 25 FRP (via Chi and Charlotte) neither likely to convey.

Why is the Bulls' pick unlikely to convey? It's top 10 protected in '25 and top 8 protected in '26 and '27, you think the Bulls will tank 3 straight years? I don't. And if it conveys, it's likely to be a mid to late lottery, which should be pretty juicy.

The replies to this proposal are the typical knee-jerk responses you usually see around here. Anyone who thinks the difference in value between Simons and Keldon Johnson is a possible lottery pick (very likely IMO) and at least 2 SRP, should really watch some basketball before hitting the keyboard. Blazers wish they could get this offer, and of course they won't.

Reality will set things straight pretty soon, like it happened with all those Brogdon, RWII proposals people scoffed at and inevitably time set the record straight. And how can I forget the Trae ones, ahh... good times.

I'm missing keldon Johnson in this proposal, so maybe the knee jerk reaction is yours?

[wemby]

Blazers send Simons
Spurs send Jones/Collins/2 - 25 FRP (via Chi and Charlotte) neither likely to convey.

Why is the Bulls' pick unlikely to convey? It's top 10 protected in '25 and top 8 protected in '26 and '27, you think the Bulls will tank 3 straight years? I don't. And if it conveys, it's likely to be a mid to late lottery, which should be pretty juicy.

The replies to this proposal are the typical knee-jerk responses you usually see around here. Anyone who thinks the difference in value between Simons and Keldon Johnson is a possible lottery pick (very likely IMO) and at least 2 SRP, should really watch some basketball before hitting the keyboard. Blazers wish they could get this offer, and of course they won't.

Reality will set things straight pretty soon, like it happened with all those Brogdon, RWII proposals people scoffed at and inevitably time set the record straight. And how can I forget the Trae ones, ahh... good times.

I'm missing keldon Johnson in this proposal, so maybe the knee jerk reaction is yours?

I misread it as Johnson rather than Jones. Still, I think Jones is a productive backup (one of the better backup PGs in the league) and the Bulls + Hornets picks are better than Blazers will be offered by anyone else. So point stands that no one should scoff at this like it's nothing.

[Walton1one]

The CHA 1st will not convey, therefore what POR is getting is a 26' & 27' 2nd from CHA, so low\mid 2nd's

The CHI 1st is a gamble, CHI is bottoming out, but protections are 1-10/1-8/1-8 for 25'/26'/27 and then it becomes a 28' 2nd via CHI. Most likely this will be a 28' 2md.

So in all likelyhood, (3) 2nd round picks with a small chance that CHI could convey a lottery pick. POR can do better for Simons than this IMO.

Jones & Collins are literally like Brogdon, salary fillers, neither adds value back to POR in this deal.

If the deal was Collins\Jones\25' ATL 1st (unprotected) and 25' CHA 1st (basically 26'/27' CHA 2nd's), I would hope POR would make that deal.

I misread it as Johnson rather than Jones. Still, I think Jones is a productive backup (one of the better backup PGs in the league) and the Bulls + Hornets picks are better than Blazers will be offered by anyone else. So point stands that no one should scoff at this like it's nothing.

Yeah, I guess we will find out when Simons is eventually dealt, but he is worth more than what is being offered here.

[Myth]

Get Portland a 1st that will actually convey and I’m onboard even if Ayton is still on the team, but otherwise no.

[BlazersBroncos]

The CHA 1st will not convey, therefore what POR is getting is a 26' & 27' 2nd from CHA, so low\mid 2nd's

The CHI 1st is a gamble, CHI is bottoming out, but protections are 1-10/1-8/1-8 for 25'/26'/27 and then it becomes a 28' 2nd via CHI. Most likely this will be a 28' 2md.

So in all likelyhood, (3) 2nd round picks with a small chance that CHI could convey a lottery pick. POR can do better for Simons than this IMO.

Jones & Collins are literally like Brogdon, salary fillers, neither adds value back to POR in this deal.

If the deal was Collins\Jones\25' ATL 1st (unprotected) and 25' CHA 1st (basically 26'/27' CHA 2nd's), I would hope POR would make that deal.

I misread it as Johnson rather than Jones. Still, I think Jones is a productive backup (one of the better backup PGs in the league) and the Bulls + Hornets picks are better than Blazers will be offered by anyone else. So point stands that no one should scoff at this like it's nothing.

Yeah, I guess we will find out when Simons is eventually dealt, but he is worth more than what is being offered here.

PDX isnt getting a UNP FRP for Simons. No chance.

Maybe 25 ATL FRP Top-10 protected.

I think any team would be nuts to trade a pick that has any chance of being within the Top-10 for Simons - and that ATL pick has a nice chance of ending up there IMO.

[JRoy]

The CHA 1st will not convey, therefore what POR is getting is a 26' & 27' 2nd from CHA, so low\mid 2nd's

The CHI 1st is a gamble, CHI is bottoming out, but protections are 1-10/1-8/1-8 for 25'/26'/27 and then it becomes a 28' 2nd via CHI. Most likely this will be a 28' 2md.

So in all likelyhood, (3) 2nd round picks with a small chance that CHI could convey a lottery pick. POR can do better for Simons than this IMO.

Jones & Collins are literally like Brogdon, salary fillers, neither adds value back to POR in this deal.

If the deal was Collins\Jones\25' ATL 1st (unprotected) and 25' CHA 1st (basically 26'/27' CHA 2nd's), I would hope POR would make that deal.

I misread it as Johnson rather than Jones. Still, I think Jones is a productive backup (one of the better backup PGs in the league) and the Bulls + Hornets picks are better than Blazers will be offered by anyone else. So point stands that no one should scoff at this like it's nothing.

Yeah, I guess we will find out when Simons is eventually dealt, but he is worth more than what is being offered here.

PDX isnt getting a UNP FRP for Simons. No chance.

Maybe 25 ATL FRP Top-10 protected.

I think any team would be nuts to trade a pick that has any chance of being within the Top-10 for Simons - and that ATL pick has a nice chance of ending up there IMO.

Agreed no one is his right mind is giving up an unprotected FRP for Simons. Not by a mile.

[One_and_Done]

I think both teams pass. Definitely don't see the Spurs moving the Bulls pick, because the protection drops to top 8 next yr.

[Walton1one]

San Antonio is owed ATL 25’ 1st, it is unprotected. Can SA put restrictions on a pick owed to them? Did not think that was possible?

Simons is worth a 1st, CHA\CHI picks are likely to end up as 2nd rounders, so little value there

I guess they could lottery protect their own pick instead? Either way, no 1st, no Simons

[Myth]

San Antonio is owed ATL 25’ 1st, it is unprotected. Can SA put restrictions on a pick owed to them? Did not think that was possible?

I thought they could, but I’m not positive, especially with ever changing CBAs.

[Chinook]

They can. They shouldn't, though, because they only have one 2026 first and shouldn't have any interest in encumbering it.

I deeply appreciate this thread not assuming the Spurs should use Johnson as trade ballast. However, Simons doesn't make sense for a Spurs team that is already pretty good in terms of their guard rotation. Maybe the Spurs decide to go with a smaller lineup and go Simons, Vassell, Castle, Sochan, Wemby. IF Sochan and Castle can shoot well enough to space the floor, it's an interesting unit on both sides. However, the Spurs seem extremely keen on not having a smaller guard in their rotation anymore (else they could have kept Dillingham), and you could argue Simons and Vassell are somewhat redundant.

There could also be a scenario where they trade Vassell for something and need a guard to start next to Castle in a year or two. That's such a different Spurs situation, though, that it's not really applicable here.

[JRoy]

They can. They shouldn't, though, because they only have one 2026 first and shouldn't have any interest in encumbering it.

I deeply appreciate this thread not assuming the Spurs should use Johnson as trade ballast. However, Simons doesn't make sense for a Spurs team that is already pretty good in terms of their guard rotation. Maybe the Spurs decide to go with a smaller lineup and go Simons, Vassell, Castle, Sochan, Wemby. IF Sochan and Castle can shoot well enough to space the floor, it's an interesting unit on both sides. However, the Spurs seem extremely keen on not having a smaller guard in their rotation anymore (else they could have kept Dillingham), and you could argue Simons and Vassell are somewhat redundant.

There could also be a scenario where they trade Vassell for something and need a guard to start next to Castle in a year or two. That's such a different Spurs situation, though, that it's not really applicable here.

If they are looking to move Vassell (don’t know why they would) they would be looking at an upgrade not Simons, who has maybe half his value.

[wemby]

They can. They shouldn't, though, because they only have one 2026 first and shouldn't have any interest in encumbering it.

I deeply appreciate this thread not assuming the Spurs should use Johnson as trade ballast. However, Simons doesn't make sense for a Spurs team that is already pretty good in terms of their guard rotation. Maybe the Spurs decide to go with a smaller lineup and go Simons, Vassell, Castle, Sochan, Wemby. IF Sochan and Castle can shoot well enough to space the floor, it's an interesting unit on both sides. However, the Spurs seem extremely keen on not having a smaller guard in their rotation anymore (else they could have kept Dillingham), and you could argue Simons and Vassell are somewhat redundant.

There could also be a scenario where they trade Vassell for something and need a guard to start next to Castle in a year or two. That's such a different Spurs situation, though, that it's not really applicable here.

If they are looking to move Vassell (don’t know why they would) they would be looking at an upgrade not Simons, who has maybe half his value.

He probably means if Vassell needs to be moved in a Markkanen type deal, where they get a better player but that creates a hole that Simons could fill.

[JRoy]

They can. They shouldn't, though, because they only have one 2026 first and shouldn't have any interest in encumbering it.

I deeply appreciate this thread not assuming the Spurs should use Johnson as trade ballast. However, Simons doesn't make sense for a Spurs team that is already pretty good in terms of their guard rotation. Maybe the Spurs decide to go with a smaller lineup and go Simons, Vassell, Castle, Sochan, Wemby. IF Sochan and Castle can shoot well enough to space the floor, it's an interesting unit on both sides. However, the Spurs seem extremely keen on not having a smaller guard in their rotation anymore (else they could have kept Dillingham), and you could argue Simons and Vassell are somewhat redundant.

There could also be a scenario where they trade Vassell for something and need a guard to start next to Castle in a year or two. That's such a different Spurs situation, though, that it's not really applicable here.

If they are looking to move Vassell (don’t know why they would) they would be looking at an upgrade not Simons, who has maybe half his value.

He probably means if Vassell needs to be moved in a Markkanen type deal, where they get a better player but that creates a hole that Simons could fill.

That makes a lot more sense.