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Just putting it out there. I did a google search just now of "Celtics trade Jaden Springer" and filtered for content from the past year. ……

So 0 articles/content about Boston trading Springer on Google. But on RealGM (between this thread, the free agent/trade thread, the draft thread, multiple game threads and probably other threads, there's been TONS...countless posts on this board about the Celtics trading Springer.

Seems odd, imo.

It’s not that odd, when you consider the second apron rules never existed before now. Since we can’t aggregate player contracts, outside of Jaden Springer there is no way to match salary to acquire bench help except trading a starter, Al Horford or Payton Pritchard.

But also, as far as young prospects, I think Jaden Springer is the least likely to be an impact NBA player. I prefer the games/upside of Walsh, Queta, Davison and Drew Peterson to Springer. So some trade ideas I’ve had just revolve around the notion that if you move Springer you open up playing time/roster spots for better prospects.

I get it. That's what you think. That's your opinion.

And you're not alone. Half this board has filled several threads now with Springer trade discussion.

But don't you find it odd that the logic that you just described...nobody else has mentioned anything about any of that anywhere on the internet, outside of RealGM?

The hundreds (or even thousands) of folks who do this stuff for a living (articles, basketball coverage, radio shows, tv shows, podcasts, Youtube videos, blogs) or even people who do this stuff (talk NBA, cover NBA) part time or as a hobby. Not one of them has brought it up?

Your logic kind of makes sense, I guess. I just find it odd that no one else on the internet (no reputable sources, no reporters or even bloggers) seem to share that same logic.

You say it's not odd, when you consider the 2nd apron rules, which never existed until now. Well, don't you think all the writers, bloggers and Youtubers out there know about the 2nd apron rules?

Doesn't Brad know about the 2nd apron rules? Just did a quick google search and it looks like the 2nd apron rules sometime around June 30, 2023. Yet he traded for Springer in February of 2024. So he obviously was well aware of the 2nd apron rules before trading for Springer.

Maybe it's just because the coverage of this team was all about covering the playoffs and championship run. Then it was covering the celebrations, the parade and stuff. And the discussion/coverage about what this team will do for offseason moves hasn't really started yet. So maybe there will be some Springer trade talks that will begin soon. But the Springer trade talks on RealGM have been going HEAVY for several months now..just think that's odd - that's all.

[shackles10]

There's no obvious target to trade Springer for and no obvious holes in our roster to write an article about either. He doesn't make much so not many exciting options even if he got traded. It'd probably just be a cost saving dump where we get a low 2nd or even give one up to dump the salary. Brad also likes to move in silence so for that alone it's not surprising to me no specific article exists.

If they were to dump him though, that article would go something like, "in a cost saving move, like we've mentioned countless times, the 2nd apron Celtics traded Springer to help afford their top 8". It's kinda true in that they've mentioned many times for Hauser, Tillman, Kornet, White and Jrue even to some degree, for the entirety of making or not making picks this year, and free agent options that things will get expensive and tough choices for the entire roster might need to be made and sacrificial lambs could exist. It'd be untrue though in that they've not specifically talked about 14th man Jaden Springer in that regard like your Google search proved.

[hugepatsfan]

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/20/nba-boston-celtics-aldama/

Article asking if we should pursue a trade for Santi Aldama and mentions Springer as the needed salary piece. It's not suggesting we would or should actively look to trade him, just noting that he'd be the necessary salary piece.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2024/6/23/24183794/deep-dive-boston-celtics-offseason-options-brad-stevens-derrick-white-sam-hauser-luke-kornet

Offseason article referencing how trading Springer (or Pritchard) are probably the only feasible guys we could move this year if we even wanted to.


I don't think anyone in here is screaming we should move Springer. People are just doing the normal offseason drill of scouring the league for any potential acquisition they'd like to see. And inherently, if there is a move we'd like to make, Springer most likely has to be the outgoing salary in the deal. It's just a function of which contracts we have on the books.

[playa-hater]

Springer was a 1st round pick..we just traded assets for him and he's got 3 years of NBA experience under his belt. He's got a guaranteed contract for next season.

I doubt he'll be playing summer league.

Not saying he will or won't or should or shouldn't.. But he is battling for his NB.A life. So i'm not sure what would be better of those two choices.

He's not battling for his NBA life. That's being overly dramatic.

Battling for his NBA life would be a guy who has been cut before (or cut multiple times), is a free agent, has no contract, has no team. And the only contract a team is willing to offer him is a summer league contract. Or they have an NBA contract but it's non-guaranteed.

That's not the case for Springer. He has a guaranteed contract, and we just traded assets to acquire him. And he was a 1st round pick.

Here are some guys who played summer league for us in recent years:
-Justin Champagnie. He was an undrafted player. We signed him as a FA with like 2 days left in the regular season. He played basically 0 mins for the Celtics in reg season or in playoffs. He had only 2 years of NBA experience..and he was literally playing for his NBA life since his contract was non-guaranteed for the upcoming season and he had a guarantee date (where a portion of his salary would become guaranteed) that was right after the last summer league game so he obviously had to play

-Brodric Thomas - undrafted. Was on a 2-way contract with Boston but during that season played 0 meaningful mins..0 playoff mins (2-ways can't play in playoffs, of course).

-Justin Jackson - was a free agent. Literally had no team, no contract during the summer he played for our SL team. was literally playing for his NBA life. He played like 2 games for BOS during mid season when all those guys were out with COVID..only played garbage time, then that was it..we're talking about the summer of 2022..yet he only played a total of 7 NBA games in the 21-22 season. And he only played in those 7 games because of COVID call-ups

-Dalano banton - had a non-guaranteed contract with BOS. And had only 2 years of NBA experience. Also, was signed to a minimum contract, rather than being a guy we actually traded assets for, and was making more $ than the minimum

-Matt Ryan. undrafted. Was on a 2-way contract with Boston but during that season played 0 meaningful mins..0 playoff mins (2-ways can't play in playoffs, of course).

-JD Davison - late 2nd round pick. Played 2 yrs of summer league for us. But both years he was just a guy on a 2-way contract..and I believe that when the SL season began, he hadn't yet signed his 2-way contract for the upcoming season so was technically playing for his NBA life

-Jordan Walsh - 2nd round pick. Had played 0 games in the NBA. All rookies with 0 games of experience (even Wemby and Paolo) play summer league

-Mfiondu Kabengele - was a late 1st round pick. Had 2 yrs of NBA experience. Did play 3 seasons after being drafted, but the 3rd season was spent entirely in the G league - did not play a single NBA game during the season prior to him playing SL for Boston. And joined the Celtics SL team with no contract whatsoever so he was certainly playing for his NBA life

Springer is FAR from a lock to be on an NBA roster by the start of 2025 season. that's 60ish draft picks this year + 60ish more in 2025.. not including UDFAs that seemingly make the NBA each year.

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[Curmudgeon]

Springer is the only guy who could keep Jaquez in front of him. Springer is a very good defender by NBA standards, and if he continues to make his corner treys he will have a long and productive NBA career-- frankly, he makes Pritchard expendible on the trade market if Springer is not traded for a decent return himself.

[sam_I_am]

Just putting it out there. I did a google search just now of "Celtics trade Jaden Springer" and filtered for content from the past year. ……

So 0 articles/content about Boston trading Springer on Google. But on RealGM (between this thread, the free agent/trade thread, the draft thread, multiple game threads and probably other threads, there's been TONS...countless posts on this board about the Celtics trading Springer.

Seems odd, imo.

It’s not that odd, when you consider the second apron rules never existed before now. Since we can’t aggregate player contracts, outside of Jaden Springer there is no way to match salary to acquire bench help except trading a starter, Al Horford or Payton Pritchard.

But also, as far as young prospects, I think Jaden Springer is the least likely to be an impact NBA player. I prefer the games/upside of Walsh, Queta, Davison and Drew Peterson to Springer. So some trade ideas I’ve had just revolve around the notion that if you move Springer you open up playing time/roster spots for better prospects.

I get it. That's what you think. That's your opinion.

And you're not alone. Half this board has filled several threads now with Springer trade discussion.

But don't you find it odd that the logic that you just described...nobody else has mentioned anything about any of that anywhere on the internet, outside of RealGM?

The hundreds (or even thousands) of folks who do this stuff for a living (articles, basketball coverage, radio shows, tv shows, podcasts, Youtube videos, blogs) or even people who do this stuff (talk NBA, cover NBA) part time or as a hobby. Not one of them has brought it up?

Your logic kind of makes sense, I guess. I just find it odd that no one else on the internet (no reputable sources, no reporters or even bloggers) seem to share that same logic.

You say it's not odd, when you consider the 2nd apron rules, which never existed until now. Well, don't you think all the writers, bloggers and Youtubers out there know about the 2nd apron rules?

Doesn't Brad know about the 2nd apron rules? Just did a quick google search and it looks like the 2nd apron rules sometime around June 30, 2023. Yet he traded for Springer in February of 2024. So he obviously was well aware of the 2nd apron rules before trading for Springer.

Maybe it's just because the coverage of this team was all about covering the playoffs and championship run. Then it was covering the celebrations, the parade and stuff. And the discussion/coverage about what this team will do for offseason moves hasn't really started yet. So maybe there will be some Springer trade talks that will begin soon. But the Springer trade talks on RealGM have been going HEAVY for several months now..just think that's odd - that's all.

Is it odd that there are no articles about trade rumors about a fringe NBA talent? Not at all. Outside of freaks like us, nobody else would care.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Springer is the only guy who could keep Jaquez in front of him. Springer is a very good defender by NBA standards, and if he continues to make his corner treys he will have a long and productive NBA career-- frankly, he makes Pritchard expendible on the trade market if Springer is not traded for a decent return himself.

Yeah I'm high on Springer, he's an NBA defender. Shooting, offensive awareness and point guard skills are still under development.

I want to keep Springer longterm, and Jrue and White are perfect role models for him.

Right now, Pritchard is our only spark plug off the bench. Hauser can shoot, but PP can create a little with his dribble and get his own shot. You can stagger lineups, but that's going to be more difficult with Porzingis out.

At this point, trading PP couldn't get us under the second apron, either.

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[redslastlaugh]

New rules say you CAN trade him (by himself) and CAN be with pick(s) to receive back a player(s) who make less than him.

Springer plus a pick must get a player making less than Springer?

How about Springer and a pick for a player having the same salary as Springer?

Springer makes $4,018,363 on hoopshype. Any player making that exact amount or less, yes. Though there are no other players next year with that same exact salary figure, closest is a couple vets at $4,000,000

Even though the board is pretty high on Springer after Las Vegas… here is the list of next years salary figures by player.
https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

Since the second apron limits salary combining, we can only trade him for a player #275 or lower on the list.

Any upcoming rookie taken in the first round and later than the 16th pick, Jared McCain, is scheduled to make less than $4.018 million and will thus be eligible to be traded for Jaden Springer.

A couple young vets deeper into their rookie contracts, Tari Eason, Santi Aldama, Noah Clowney, Jake LaRavia etc. are still under that $4.018 million line and thus eligible. And then all the Kevin Love types who are on vet minimums and may look to ring chase come the trade deadline.

I’m not saying he should get traded, I hope he has a breakout year for us. But the hoopshype list is a good dataset of who could be traded for Springer under second apron rules.

[GoCeltics123]

Jaden Springer is eligible for an extension ahead of opening night but I’m hearing it’s very unlikely a deal gets done there. Springer could earn a spot in the rotation early in the season but Boston’s massive future salary commitments make it unlikely they will find common ground with Springer’s camp on a new deal before evaluating him for full season within Joe Mazzulla’s system.

[165bows]

Jaden Springer is eligible for an extension ahead of opening night but I’m hearing it’s very unlikely a deal gets done there. Springer could earn a spot in the rotation early in the season but Boston’s massive future salary commitments make it unlikely they will find common ground with Springer’s camp on a new deal before evaluating him for full season within Joe Mazzulla’s system.

Pffttt getting cheap all the sudden.

[Shak_Celts]

Jaden Springer is eligible for an extension ahead of opening night but I’m hearing it’s very unlikely a deal gets done there. Springer could earn a spot in the rotation early in the season but Boston’s massive future salary commitments make it unlikely they will find common ground with Springer’s camp on a new deal before evaluating him for full season within Joe Mazzulla’s system.

Pffttt getting cheap all the sudden.

Are they? They could be waiting until he proves something. They have been throwing around money but they haven’t been throwing it to anyone unproven… well, Walsh got paid with no proof, but they must have seen something crazy outta him in practices. I don’t remember anyone with a multi-year deal being unproven with Brad at the helm. Rico doesn’t count being a first round pick.

Look at Pritchard, he wanted out, they said no and still waited to pay him. He was balling and people started to think he was going to get more IIRC.

[shackles10]

Pffttt getting cheap all the sudden.

Are they? They could be waiting until he proves something. They have been throwing around money but they haven’t been throwing it to anyone unproven… well, Walsh got paid with no proof, but they must have seen something crazy outta him in practices. I don’t remember anyone with a multi-year deal being unproven with Brad at the helm. Rico doesn’t count being a first round pick.

Look at Pritchard, he wanted out, they said no and still waited to pay him. He was balling and people started to think he was going to get more IIRC.

[165bows]

Pffttt getting cheap all the sudden.

Are they? They could be waiting until he proves something. They have been throwing around money but they haven’t been throwing it to anyone unproven… well, Walsh got paid with no proof, but they must have seen something crazy outta him in practices. I don’t remember anyone with a multi-year deal being unproven with Brad at the helm. Rico doesn’t count being a first round pick.

Look at Pritchard, he wanted out, they said no and still waited to pay him. He was balling and people started to think he was going to get more IIRC.

The Fed should buy the Celtics. Contract extensions due??? Just print more Celtics dollars!!

[Parliament10]

Are they? They could be waiting until he proves something. They have been throwing around money but they haven’t been throwing it to anyone unproven… well, Walsh got paid with no proof, but they must have seen something crazy outta him in practices. I don’t remember anyone with a multi-year deal being unproven with Brad at the helm. Rico doesn’t count being a first round pick.

Look at Pritchard, he wanted out, they said no and still waited to pay him. He was balling and people started to think he was going to get more IIRC.

The Fed should buy the Celtics. Contract extensions due??? Just print more Celtics dollars!!

Hahaha!!!
Put me Down.

Where can I get some of those Celtics Bucks???

[ConstableGeneva]

We have everyone in the 14-man roster on a multi-year deal other than Horford, Kornet, and Springer (plus Walker if he makes the team).

[165bows]

The Fed should buy the Celtics. Contract extensions due??? Just print more Celtics dollars!!

Hahaha!!!
Put me Down.

Where can I get some of those Celtics Bucks???

I was going to go with the Celtics Bucks thing but that’s a whole other element going on there.

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Jaden Springer is eligible for an extension ahead of opening night but I’m hearing it’s very unlikely a deal gets done there. Springer could earn a spot in the rotation early in the season but Boston’s massive future salary commitments make it unlikely they will find common ground with Springer’s camp on a new deal before evaluating him for full season within Joe Mazzulla’s system.

This is no surprise.

He's got 3 years of NBA experience and still has yet to consistently be a rotation player. A player in that situation is very rarely going to get an extension. He's almost always going to have that 4th season as a "prove it" year.

Add in the fact that the Celtics' roster is so deep and talented (and the financial situation the team is in) and it would be a shock if they extended him.

Gotta just see how he does this season and then both sides (Boston and Springer's camp) will figure out what the best path forward is for him next summer..and that's if he's still on the team - of course, there is a possibility he gets traded during the season but I kind of doubt it because Brad traded for him for a reason - Brad has spoken very highly of him in interviews, he was very good in the 1 SL game this year so it makes sense to keep him and try to develop him this season - plus, his trade value is very low right now that you wouldn't be able to really get anything back for him in a trade anyways - and anyone you get who makes the same or lower salary than Springerlikely wouldn't play much anyways so what's the point..