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[Plossum]

Simple fact is we haven’t had a healthy playoff team available since game 6 2021.

No team loses a player of Khris or Giannis’s caliber and still wins a title.

Giannis is an MVP level and everything we need as a number 1 option to win. But he can’t do it alone. Nobody can. Giannis is not the problem, our injury issues are.

[nagawicka]

Giannis stuff is legit. The 7 foot Westbrook bit was figured out by playoff defenses. He has to learn how to play like a big now and off of Dame but we already know that. There are definately times off the break that he can maybe find space for hero drives but we mainly need creative ways to get him the ball in different spots for playmaking out of the post/block.

Do you watch the Bucks' playoffs series? Have you seen his numbers?

Have you how numbers never translates into titles? Once, sure. So what?

[fansinceforever]

Giannis stuff is legit. The 7 foot Westbrook bit was figured out by playoff defenses. He has to learn how to play like a big now and off of Dame but we already know that. There are definately times off the break that he can maybe find space for hero drives but we mainly need creative ways to get him the ball in different spots for playmaking out of the post/block.

Do you watch the Bucks' playoffs series? Have you seen his numbers?

Have you how numbers never translates into titles? Once, sure. So what?

Some of you don't deserve Giannis.

And because we're fans of a team in Milwaukee, you probably won't be burdened with another player like him for a very long time.

[jute2003]

Just gonna point out that a big part of why Giannis is always injured in the playoffs is his insistence on barreling into the defense repeatedly.

[nagawicka]

Giannis's offensive play wouldn't even crack the top 5 reasons this team is in trouble.

But his lack of team play, low bbiq, and hero-ball refusal to activate all Bucks on-the-floor, all the stuff that matters lands Giannis squarely at #1 in your top 5 reasons. No one cares what his numbers are when the higher they go, the less likely the *team* will be able to offset the steeper b/c-of-said-heroball climb to another Title. Did you not see Jeff Teague LAUGHING at the idea of Giannis playing point, or functioning as a player aka with a point guard within a system? Unless G heroballs at all the other stuff, the numbers don't matter: after all, as soon as G's numbers drops and , then somehow the issue is somebody else's offensive production. Or they somehow weren't doing enough on defense to make up for G's refusal to defend wtf.

[Ron Swanson]

Always get a kick out of these takes that in order to fully optimize the greatest ball-handling 7-footer of all-time, he needs to play more like Greg Monroe.

Just gonna point out that a big part of why Giannis is always injured in the playoffs is his insistence on barreling into the defense repeatedly.

This has been the reason he got hurt in the playoffs literally one time (2023).

[RRyder823]

He's amazing but you can't be THAT predictable in a 7 game series when teams have weeks to dissect you. Find what GA and Giannis can do well together and build a complex scheme out of it... if they complain then remind them that we have 1 championship in like 12 GA years

Or if they complain remind them that we have a championship in the Giannis years.

I find it amazing that so many people think not even just one title, but multiple titles, is somehow a baseline for having a great player.

The Lebron/Jordan arguments really broke some people's minds


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[Bernman]

Here's Jason Timpf on pros & cons of Giannis. Ranks him as elite (#3 in NBA), but pts out difficulties building around him comparative to top 2 & the deficiency of him not even having a reliable hook shot he should develop. You can be of both minds.

Watch on YouTube

BTW, notes he's a bottom 3rd iso player, bottom half post-up player, in efficiency (passes too), among high volume players. Stats had him as having basically the worst halfcourt efficiency on offense among high volume players.

Shouldn't be #1 halfcourt option. He should be the #2-3 option in the halfcourt, while getting out in transition where he can to be the best in the league in that department. And then save his legs some to maximize defensive & rebounding impact.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Like I totally get the argument that Giannis needs to become a better basketball player. He could add some playmaking/shooting and that would help a ton in the playoffs. I, too, would love for him to make the jump from Top 20 all-time to Top 10 all-time.

That said, the 2 biggest things holding us back in the playoffs have been injuries and teammates shooting 11% on high-volume, wide-open 3s in close-out games. Like if we could get a casey martin type game from one of the role players no one would be talking about Giannis failing.

[fansinceforever]

Giannis's offensive play wouldn't even crack the top 5 reasons this team is in trouble.

But his lack of team play, low bbiq, and hero-ball refusal to activate all Bucks on-the-floor, all the stuff that matters lands Giannis squarely at #1 in your top 5 reasons. No one cares what his numbers are when the higher they go, the less likely the *team* will be able to offset the steeper b/c-of-said-heroball climb to another Title. Did you not see Jeff Teague LAUGHING at the idea of Giannis playing point, or functioning as a player aka with a point guard within a system? Unless G heroballs at all the other stuff, the numbers don't matter: after all, as soon as G's numbers drops and , then somehow the issue is somebody else's offensive production. Or they somehow weren't doing enough on defense to make up for G's refusal to defend wtf.

Lol everything you said above isn't true. The team doesn't lose more when Giannis' numbers are great. The year they won the championship was mostly due to Khris initiating the offense and Giannis as the roll man. Giannis also played hero ball in Game 6 and won us the championship. Giannis is consistently, bare minimum, a well above average defender. Many of his teammates have been god awful.

Honestly, what team are you watching? The Bucks have never won in spite of Giannis. Never.

[paulpressey25]

the 2 biggest things holding us back in the playoffs have been injuries and teammates shooting 11% on high-volume, wide-open 3s in close-out games. Like if we could get a casey martin type game from one of the role players no one would be talking about Giannis failing.

Correct.

And as a Bud fan, I did appreciate Emmuney's comment the other day. During Bud's first three years here, we got the ECF, Won a title and lost in the Covid bubble after dominating the regular season.

And then the next three years we went multiple games and whole series without Giannis or Khris or both. How do you even critique that? And given Giannis weakness in outside scoring, it means you need that supernova performance from Khris to make up for it. And we got that performance in 2021. And if we had gotten it in 2019, we'd have had two titles. (and not blaming Khris in this post, just noting how him playing at a Kawhi level is needed)

[emunney]

the 2 biggest things holding us back in the playoffs have been injuries and teammates shooting 11% on high-volume, wide-open 3s in close-out games. Like if we could get a casey martin type game from one of the role players no one would be talking about Giannis failing.

Correct.

And as a Bud fan, I did appreciate Emmuney's comment the other day. During Bud's first three years here, we got the ECF, Won a title and lost in the Covid bubble after dominating the regular season.

And then the next three years we went multiple games and whole series without Giannis or Khris or both. How do you even critique that? And given Giannis weakness in outside scoring, it means you need that supernova performance from Khris to make up for it. And we got that performance in 2021. And if we had gotten it in 2019, we'd have had two titles. (and not blaming Khris in this post, just noting how him playing at a Kawhi level is needed)

SOMEBODY's got to step up, Khris has been by far the most likely candidate, but we got a big step up from Brook at least in those last two ECF games to close out the Hawks, too.

Dame should help a lot with this even if he's old. I really hate that we didn't get a crack at the Celtics, not because I'm overwhelmingly confident we would have won, but just to see it. Hopefully we get that opportunity this year, both as Bucks fans and as fans of the sport. Would love to get another 1st round series with the Pacers, too.

[nagawicka]

Like I totally get the argument that Giannis needs to become a better basketball player. He could add some playmaking/shooting and that would help a ton in the playoffs. I, too, would love for him to make the jump from Top 20 all-time to Top 10 all-time.

That said, the 2 biggest things holding us back in the playoffs have been injuries and teammates shooting 11% on high-volume, wide-open 3s in close-out games. Like if we could get a casey martin type game from one of the role players no one would be talking about Giannis failing.

Nah, 'the biggest things holding us back' are excuses. That's what you're listing. It's never true and realGMers who say so can never figure out why it doesn't work. 'We WOULDA got *our* Title except injuries' is easily the whiniest, least true, most bbiq-deviant pathetic excuse for an excuse in realGM history. Why? There WERE injuries. *The Bucks* weren't a good enough to overcome that. Meaning neither was Giannis. You have zero option to project blame onto the 3pt% of the guys Giannis refuses to pass to, run a play with, involve generally, or EVEN allow point guards run point, when G operates that way. We've lost title runs over and over and over again because when Giannis operates this way it's not really a functioning winning team.
Gaslighting everyone as strenuously as possible will never, ever make the excuses true. Its a refusal to fix what's broken.

[AussieBuck]

Gas lighting is bad at the end of an entirely fictional narrative was a brave choice.

[MickeyDavis]

Gas lighting is bad at the end of an entirely fictional narrative was a brave choice.

[Perishable517]

Like I totally get the argument that Giannis needs to become a better basketball player. He could add some playmaking/shooting and that would help a ton in the playoffs. I, too, would love for him to make the jump from Top 20 all-time to Top 10 all-time.

That said, the 2 biggest things holding us back in the playoffs have been injuries and teammates shooting 11% on high-volume, wide-open 3s in close-out games. Like if we could get a casey martin type game from one of the role players no one would be talking about Giannis failing.

Nah, 'the biggest things holding us back' are excuses. That's what you're listing. It's never true and realGMers who say so can never figure out why it doesn't work. 'We WOULDA got *our* Title except injuries' is easily the whiniest, least true, most bbiq-deviant pathetic excuse for an excuse in realGM history. Why? There WERE injuries. *The Bucks* weren't a good enough to overcome that. Meaning neither was Giannis. You have zero option to project blame onto the 3pt% of the guys Giannis refuses to pass to, run a play with, involve generally, or EVEN allow point guards run point, when G operates that way. We've lost title runs over and over and over again because when Giannis operates this way it's not really a functioning winning team.
Gaslighting everyone as strenuously as possible will never, ever make the excuses true. Its a refusal to fix what's broken.

Kevin, us that you?!?

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[GiannisAnte34]

Bucks being 8th in Championship odds feels pretty disrespectful but I’ll take it +1400 is too juicy to pass up

[-Jragon-]

You guys are overthinking...
it's playing team ball with the goal of getting space for shooters and 1v1's for GA to attack. He can face up and blow past guys from a post position and if they over
-commit cut it off he has that spin drop step already.

[nagawicka]

The standards for Giannis are just comical, the dude apparently needs to be the most dominant interior scorer of his generation by a mile, a top 2 or 3 playmaker for his position, a nasty Swiss army knife defensive big, good rebounder, and now also a dangerous perimeter scorer as well? Like sure...I would agree that Giannis being the perfect basketball player would be good for the Bucks lol.

Incorrect, WTF, no one is saying Giannis needs to do more, they're saying he needs to do less. See that? Sure, more team ball, see how that doesn't increase His load at all, does it? Relying more on the other 4 Bucks on the floor translates into less wear-&-tear on Giannis's body, and more-potent, harder-to-defend squad. Where's the issue? Point guards not getting the ball while the Bucks can't function and trip over themselves doing it isn't some other guys problem.

[FrieAaron]

Incorrect, WTF, no one is saying Giannis needs to do more, they're saying he needs to do less. See that? Sure, more team ball, see how that doesn't increase His load at all, does it? Relying more on the other 4 Bucks on the floor translates into less wear-&-tear on Giannis's body, and more-potent, harder-to-defend squad. Where's the issue? Point guards not getting the ball while the Bucks can't function and trip over themselves doing it isn't some other guys problem.

When? I agree sometimes he tries to do too much, but if we're talking about his postseason play, he has hardly been able to play at all the last two seasons and the one before that he lost the #2 option on offense and the #3, the guy who actually is a perimeter player, shot 15/50 from three.