What are the argument for Stephen curry as the G.O.A.T

[DB23]

Two legit arguments…

First is unconventional for basketball but like boxing if we think in terms of pound for pound he’s definitely the most valuable player with the natural body and athletic gifts given.

Secondly, as the Olympics showed that whilst guys like Lebron are higher floor raisers, no one raises the ceiling more than Steph when he is on. God mode Steph is the most valuable piece to ever hit the court

This a dumb take never seen god mode steph do anything remotely close to lebron vs pistons, hell even kawhi 2019 playoff run, wade finals in his first ring, a bunch of Jordan peak moments, shaq in several finals . god mode steph isn’t in the same tier as better players’ god mode

Guess you missed the Olympics. Or the last decade of playoff basketball.

[Rainwater]

When his shots aren't falling, he's basically useless on the court. Just watch the entire Olympic run before the Semi finals game.

Just by having him on the floor is positive thing if you understand something.

TOP15 in total career REB between PG (Will finish TOP10)
TOP40 in career asists (Will finish TOP25 or TOP20)
TOP50 in career steals (Will finish TOP30)
TOP30 in career pts (Will finish TOP15 or TOP10)
TOP100 in career made FT (Will finish TOP50 or TOP60)
6/7th in career TS
13th in career BPM
35th in career WS (Will finish TOP25)
27th in career WS/48
20th in career PER
5th in career +/-
3rd in career +/- per game
TOP10 in career RAPM
2nd best career O-RAPM

This is a guy who is useless on the court w/o his shots...

To be fair, a lot of these things have more to do with his longevity rather him being particularly great at them (particularly the steals, rebounds, and assists). For example, Lebron is the leader in points but I wouldn’t call him one of best scorers to play the game (would give that to Durant or someone else) just means he played a long time.

[WarriorGM]

We are talking about GOAT standards here. Again when his shots ain't falling, he's just a liability out there.

But when he's on rhythm, he is arguably the best ceiling raiser ever imo.

1. We dont talk about GOAT standart here
2. Again when his shots ain't falling, he isnt a liability.

This whole thread is about him being the GOAT, lol.

And honest question here, if Curry shot is not falling what else is he doing? He isn’t a lead defender. Dude has career rebounds and assists numbers of 4.7 and 6.3. Only one season where he averaged 8 assists. So he ain’t really passing or rebounding it either.

See 2019 WCSF Game 6 against the Houston Rockets.

If Curry's shot is not falling he is still threatening to have his shots start falling.

Curry is arguably a top 15 player. Him being the greatest shooter of all time is what makes him great. Let’s not pretend it’s other attributes.

There are less than 10 players with 2 or more MVPs and 2 or more championships. Arguably top 15 for the guy who led his team to the record wins season and to the quickest turnaround to a championship from a last placed team is vastly underselling Curry's accomplishments.

A nuclear weapon from a stationary launching pad is scary enough. But combine it with mobility and stealth and it really becomes a nightmare. Similarly Curry's shooting is one-of-a-kind but the combination with superior point guard play, mobility, and endurance makes him far more lethal than any other shooter in history. His strengths stack.

[tsherkin]

There are no good arguments for Steph as GOAT. There are some arguments for him as a top 10-15 guy, but nothing sane which could be used to arrange an argument for him as the greatest in league history.

[brackdan70]

He is a top 15 guy all time. Amazing player. Not close to the GOAT though. You could certainly make an argument for top 10, but he is probably right after that.

[brackdan70]

Poll is a bit biased, requiring a vote in the top 10 lol. I voted top 10 but I mean 11 or 12

[kodo]

Hard to see him as GOAT when he wasn't even the best player on his own team from 2017 to 2019. He's a great one but not the #1.

[Bergmaniac]

What are the arguments that this isn't a bait thread made specifically to bait a certain poster?

[druggas]

"None of the above."

[SelfishPlayer]

If Curry switched teams and ended his career with 7 CHIPS he would respectfully enter "The Goat" conversations. He currently is already a GOAT.

[TheNG]

I don't think he has a case.
But some people think LeBron might be a top5 all time, and here is this player, winning the same amount of rings (4) during LeBron's time, without needing to switch teams to do so.

[moderndarwin]

The thing is he actually does have a case for it. But he’s so not traditional that it’s hard to really quantify it.

He has the most gravity out of any player ever in the NBA. The second most is Shaq.

That means in the entire history of the NBA he is the player that requires the most attention from the defense and basically creates a version of the floor where others can rise to their greatest heights.

You got KD and Steph out there? You still choose to double Steph and/or guard him out to 30 feet and let KD play one on one.

[xchange55]

Jordan reached the pinnacle on offense and defense. There isn't a player who can match his on court accolades and domination on both ends. There isn't a player who can match his off the court reach and influence.

Why do we need these endless GOAT debates? The day that Jordan is surpassed is the day you don't need to make a post or poll about GOAT. It will be crystal clear - that's what it means to be GOAT.

[MavsDirk41]

If Curry switched teams and ended his career with 7 CHIPS he would respectfully enter "The Goat" conversations. He currently is already a GOAT.

He wasnt even the best player on his team for 2 of his championships. Although his last championship against Boston was really impressive.

[MightyMouse10]

Two legit arguments…

First is unconventional for basketball but like boxing if we think in terms of pound for pound he’s definitely the most valuable player with the natural body and athletic gifts given.

Secondly, as the Olympics showed that whilst guys like Lebron are higher floor raisers, no one raises the ceiling more than Steph when he is on. God mode Steph is the most valuable piece to ever hit the court

This a dumb take never seen god mode steph do anything remotely close to lebron vs pistons, hell even kawhi 2019 playoff run, wade finals in his first ring, a bunch of Jordan peak moments, shaq in several finals . god mode steph isn’t in the same tier as better players’ god mode

The saddest thing about Lebron's career is that peak Lebron was that game 7. We never had another opportunity(outside of maybe 2015 finals) to see Lebron "take over" entirely. Mostly because he never had to, given the construction of the rosters around him. I'd argue Kobe, steph and shaq have had more dominant "God mode" performances than Lebron and I think this was more out of necessity and not capability

[OdomFan]

The Goat? No. The Goose? Sure. The Greatest overall outside Shooter Ever. He has no argument for Goat. Not even the best at his own position. No where near it. He relies too much on teammates to succeed. Yes its a team game, but when you have someone else performing playmaking duties for you. How can you be the goat at the position that thats supposed to be for? Not with it.

He's not a great leader, and not a great defender. He's lightening quick at getting to the rim though to hit that lob layup. Good for him, but not enough for goat imo.

Goose works for me.

[brackdan70]

Any non GS fans voting top 5 or better. I am truly interested in non biased rationale for that.

[The4thHorseman]

There should be a LOL option in the poll.

[Rainwater]

Hard to see him as GOAT when he wasn't even the best player on his own team from 2017 to 2019. He's a great one but not the #1.

I don’t think he was either but most golden state fans get upset when that is said.

[random_hero891]

If Steph wasn't blasting 3s like he was I doubt we'd see the same kind of universal push to play the game behind the arc; every team, every position embraced the 3. I think you could make an argument based around how much impact he's had on how the games played.