2024 NFL Season

[Big J]

The argument of Kap doing more with less is a shaky one IMO. First, did he do more? He had a great super bowl run and almost won the big one. So did Purdy. He had one more good playoff run, but his offense wasn't nearly as dynamic. And teams figured him out after that. Instead of improving, he fell off after a smoking start. Maybe that happens to Purdy, but it certainly hasn't to date.

As far as having less, I broached this in another post. Yes, his weapons clearly weren't as good as Purdy's. But his OL was markedly better. All five of his OL would have been second-best on our team last year. Easily. And the defense he played opposite was better.

When discussing supporting casts, no one seems to want to take into account the OL. It's kind of important to good QB play. Jackson's OL struggled this week against KC, and he was frankly bad as a passer. He kept the team in it with his legs, and that's one of the obvious benefits to a Lamar Jackson, but he simply couldn't play out of the pocket. Purdy played out of a messy pocket all last year and excelled.

Purdy's had the best OT that the game has ever seen. Trent alone elevates the entire line a tier by himself.

If the Jets beat Niners on Monday Night along with a few sacks on Purdy, you will be blaming Purdy for the loss when it was on Trent for not being in football shape. I just hope the Silverback doesn't get hurt in this game.

https://youtube.com/shorts/14c8vZ4dXPc?si=IvKvsSdv-HS9wHjc

Jets are a disaster and Rodgers is an antivaxer conspiracy theorist. They don't stand a chance against us.

[WentzerWuver]

Purdy's had the best OT that the game has ever seen. Trent alone elevates the entire line a tier by himself.

If the Jets beat Niners on Monday Night along with a few sacks on Purdy, you will be blaming Purdy for the loss when it was on Trent for not being in football shape. I just hope the Silverback doesn't get hurt in this game.

https://youtube.com/shorts/14c8vZ4dXPc?si=IvKvsSdv-HS9wHjc

Jets are a disaster and Rodgers is an antivaxer conspiracy theorist. They don't stand a chance against us.

And the Jinx is on and hope the home town kid who grew up rooting for the gold and red wins week 1 by himself just to shut your arrogant trap. Still the worst decisional mistake with the top pick ever for this franchise!!

https://youtube.com/shorts/_lV7rDUlRHs?si=B5Lp9AASlSDEMsdr

[Big J]

If the Jets beat Niners on Monday Night along with a few sacks on Purdy, you will be blaming Purdy for the loss when it was on Trent for not being in football shape. I just hope the Silverback doesn't get hurt in this game.

https://youtube.com/shorts/14c8vZ4dXPc?si=IvKvsSdv-HS9wHjc

Jets are a disaster and Rodgers is an antivaxer conspiracy theorist. They don't stand a chance against us.

Now the Jinx is on and hope the bay area kid Arod wins week 1 by himself just to shut your trap. Still the worst mistake with the top pick ever for this franchise.

https://youtube.com/shorts/_lV7rDUlRHs?si=B5Lp9AASlSDEMsdr

It was a mistake 2 decades ago. He’s 40 and coming off an Achilles tear. Dude looked washed last year before he got hurt, and now he definitely is. You really want the team to lose just to prove a point? What kind of fan are you?

[arich35]

Hurts plays behind one of the top offensive lines in the NFL and has for the past couple of years. That definitely has an impact because all you have to do is look at Goff who a lot of people think is a great QB but he's the same guy he was with the Rams he just plays behind a monster of an offensive line with the Lions.

If the 9ers had that offensive line we would've easily won that Super Bowl and it's not even a Purdy thing either because we probably would've won two with Jimmy G as well.

As of today I'd take Purdy over Hurts because you can't pretend like last year never happened and Purdy was better in every way except Hurts had more rushing yards.

Lol I just spew hot coffee outta my nose after reading your response. Ooouch hot hot hot!!!! So JimmyG is even better than Hurts in the SB with the same OL ...like your the one who needs some coffee to wake up Lol

He's not saying that. He's saying that Jimmy, behind that OL but with the Niners' skill players and defense, would have won the SB. I don't think anyone is arguing Hurts has the skill players and defense we do, even though he's got an exciting group of young receivers around him.

Not sure why you keep saying Eagles have young receivers. AJ Brown and DaVonta Smith are not young, Dallas Goedert and Saquan Barkley also not super young. Their weapons are pretty damn good plus they have a top 5 OL in the league but Hurts still struggles more than you would like in a franchise QB

[CrimsonCrew]

Sam D went 13 for 14 with a TD at the half...guess Kyle has solved his ghost passing issues for good.

https://youtu.be/P4LZhL53V-E?si=1cFHotE8-ZSlEf0H

Against probably the worst team in the league. Let's withhold judgment just a little longer.

[CrimsonCrew]

I'd take prime Kaep in a second over Purdy. He did way more with much worse weapons than what Purdy is working with. Crabtree was his number one receiver. There's a reason that Sherman called him mediocre.

The argument of Kap doing more with less is a shaky one IMO. First, did he do more? He had a great super bowl run and almost won the big one. So did Purdy. He had one more good playoff run, but his offense wasn't nearly as dynamic. And teams figured him out after that. Instead of improving, he fell off after a smoking start. Maybe that happens to Purdy, but it certainly hasn't to date.

As far as having less, I broached this in another post. Yes, his weapons clearly weren't as good as Purdy's. But his OL was markedly better. All five of his OL would have been second-best on our team last year. Easily. And the defense he played opposite was better.

When discussing supporting casts, no one seems to want to take into account the OL. It's kind of important to good QB play. Jackson's OL struggled this week against KC, and he was frankly bad as a passer. He kept the team in it with his legs, and that's one of the obvious benefits to a Lamar Jackson, but he simply couldn't play out of the pocket. Purdy played out of a messy pocket all last year and excelled.

Purdy's had the best OT that the game has ever seen. Trent alone elevates the entire line a tier by himself.

Absolutely. Maybe two tiers. Without him, they'd be widely considered on of the worst OLs in the league.

[CrimsonCrew]

Jets are a disaster and Rodgers is an antivaxer conspiracy theorist. They don't stand a chance against us.

Now the Jinx is on and hope the bay area kid Arod wins week 1 by himself just to shut your trap. Still the worst mistake with the top pick ever for this franchise.

https://youtube.com/shorts/_lV7rDUlRHs?si=B5Lp9AASlSDEMsdr

It was a mistake 2 decades ago. He’s 40 and coming off an Achilles tear. Dude looked washed last year before he got hurt, and now he definitely is. You really want the team to lose just to prove a point? What kind of fan are you?

Definitely don't expect Rodgers to play at an MVP level at this point, though it's certainly possible. But I also don't think we can draw any conclusions based on for snaps and one attempt last year.

[WentzerWuver]

Lol I just spew hot coffee outta my nose after reading your response. Ooouch hot hot hot!!!! So JimmyG is even better than Hurts in the SB with the same OL ...like your the one who needs some coffee to wake up Lol

He's not saying that. He's saying that Jimmy, behind that OL but with the Niners' skill players and defense, would have won the SB. I don't think anyone is arguing Hurts has the skill players and defense we do, even though he's got an exciting group of young receivers around him.

Not sure why you keep saying Eagles have young receivers. AJ Brown and DaVonta Smith are not young, Dallas Goedert and Saquan Barkley also not super young. Their weapons are pretty damn good plus they have a top 5 OL in the league but Hurts still struggles more than you would like in a franchise QB

He's not struggling as much as you think. Every QB has a few bad passes, but Jalen is still an elite QB at the same level and ability as Lamar. If Lamer is not elite, then neither is Hurts.

https://youtu.be/dbm4QXTaDeI?si=Uf9Tg00eOCUQ4OdS

https://youtube.com/shorts/wigQv1ozF0M?si=mUMqtkiI0n6hT2sy

[CrimsonCrew]

Lol I just spew hot coffee outta my nose after reading your response. Ooouch hot hot hot!!!! So JimmyG is even better than Hurts in the SB with the same OL ...like your the one who needs some coffee to wake up Lol

He's not saying that. He's saying that Jimmy, behind that OL but with the Niners' skill players and defense, would have won the SB. I don't think anyone is arguing Hurts has the skill players and defense we do, even though he's got an exciting group of young receivers around him.

Not sure why you keep saying Eagles have young receivers. AJ Brown and DaVonta Smith are not young, Dallas Goedert and Saquan Barkley also not super young. Their weapons are pretty damn good plus they have a top 5 OL in the league but Hurts still struggles more than you would like in a franchise QB

I confused Hurts and Love. You're right, Hurts' cast of skill players is up there with the Niners.

[arich35]

He's not saying that. He's saying that Jimmy, behind that OL but with the Niners' skill players and defense, would have won the SB. I don't think anyone is arguing Hurts has the skill players and defense we do, even though he's got an exciting group of young receivers around him.

Not sure why you keep saying Eagles have young receivers. AJ Brown and DaVonta Smith are not young, Dallas Goedert and Saquan Barkley also not super young. Their weapons are pretty damn good plus they have a top 5 OL in the league but Hurts still struggles more than you would like in a franchise QB

He's not struggling as much as you think. Every QB has a few bad passes, but Jalen is still an elite QB at the same level and ability as Lamar. If Lamer is not elite, then neither is Hurts.

He threw 15 INTs last year and had 2 on opening night. He struggles more than Purdy has shown

[WentzerWuver]

Not sure why you keep saying Eagles have young receivers. AJ Brown and DaVonta Smith are not young, Dallas Goedert and Saquan Barkley also not super young. Their weapons are pretty damn good plus they have a top 5 OL in the league but Hurts still struggles more than you would like in a franchise QB

He's not struggling as much as you think. Every QB has a few bad passes, but Jalen is still an elite QB at the same level and ability as Lamar. If Lamer is not elite, then neither is Hurts.

He threw 15 INTs last year and had 2 on opening night. He struggles more than Purdy has shown

Purdy had 11 picks in 2023 but I guess the 4 pick difference is what you like brag about on Purdy being a better QB?

Still, there is no denying Purdy is a more accurate passer and likely better at decision making, but Hurts own all the other categories, including the most important - intangibles.

[CrimsonCrew]

He's not struggling as much as you think. Every QB has a few bad passes, but Jalen is still an elite QB at the same level and ability as Lamar. If Lamer is not elite, then neither is Hurts.

He threw 15 INTs last year and had 2 on opening night. He struggles more than Purdy has shown

Purdy had 11 picks in 2023 but I guess the 4 pick difference is what you like brag about on Purdy being a better QB?

Still, there is no denying Purdy is a more accurate passer and likely better at decision making, but Hurts own all the other categories, including the most important - intangibles.

Except the team he leads completely imploded last year....

[thesack12]

The argument of Kap doing more with less is a shaky one IMO. First, did he do more? He had a great super bowl run and almost won the big one. So did Purdy. He had one more good playoff run, but his offense wasn't nearly as dynamic. And teams figured him out after that. Instead of improving, he fell off after a smoking start. Maybe that happens to Purdy, but it certainly hasn't to date.

As far as having less, I broached this in another post. Yes, his weapons clearly weren't as good as Purdy's. But his OL was markedly better. All five of his OL would have been second-best on our team last year. Easily. And the defense he played opposite was better.

When discussing supporting casts, no one seems to want to take into account the OL. It's kind of important to good QB play. Jackson's OL struggled this week against KC, and he was frankly bad as a passer. He kept the team in it with his legs, and that's one of the obvious benefits to a Lamar Jackson, but he simply couldn't play out of the pocket. Purdy played out of a messy pocket all last year and excelled.

Purdy's had the best OT that the game has ever seen. Trent alone elevates the entire line a tier by himself.

Absolutely. Maybe two tiers. Without him, they'd be widely considered on of the worst OLs in the league.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-trent-williams-ends-holdout-san-francisco-49ers

Despite Williams’ presence for all but two games last season, the 49ers finished 24th in the NFL in team pass-blocking grade

So even with Trent's superb play, the 49er's O-line was in the bottom 1/4 of the league with pass protection. With Trent dramatically buoying the overall rating, that goes to show you how awful the rest of the line really is.

But lets not let facts and tangible data get in the way, people's blind personal bias carries more weight of course.

[thesack12]

Sam D went 13 for 14 with a TD at the half...guess Kyle has solved his ghost passing issues for good.

https://youtu.be/P4LZhL53V-E?si=1cFHotE8-ZSlEf0H

Against probably the worst team in the league. Let's withhold judgment just a little longer.

For real.

1 half of good play ='s fixed for good????

The takes on this board continue to deteriorate.

[WentzerWuver]

He threw 15 INTs last year and had 2 on opening night. He struggles more than Purdy has shown

Purdy had 11 picks in 2023 but I guess the 4 pick difference is what you like brag about on Purdy being a better QB?

Still, there is no denying Purdy is a more accurate passer and likely better at decision making, but Hurts own all the other categories, including the most important - intangibles.

Except the team he leads completely imploded last year....

Their defense imploded big time in 2023 so don't assume this was Hurts or the offense fault. It's no different than the 49ers D struggles during the season under Wilks yet their offense gets the blame. So glad Fangio will have them playing at an elite level by the 2nd half of this season.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2023/12/11/23996827/eagles-news-strong-case-one-worst-defenses-football-philadelphia-nfl-sean-desai-cowboys-game

[Jikkle]

Hurts plays behind one of the top offensive lines in the NFL and has for the past couple of years. That definitely has an impact because all you have to do is look at Goff who a lot of people think is a great QB but he's the same guy he was with the Rams he just plays behind a monster of an offensive line with the Lions.

If the 9ers had that offensive line we would've easily won that Super Bowl and it's not even a Purdy thing either because we probably would've won two with Jimmy G as well.

As of today I'd take Purdy over Hurts because you can't pretend like last year never happened and Purdy was better in every way except Hurts had more rushing yards.

Lol I just spew hot coffee outta my nose after reading your response. Ooouch hot hot hot!!!! So JimmyG is even better than Hurts in the SB with the same OL ...like your the one who needs some coffee to wake up Lol

He's not saying that. He's saying that Jimmy, behind that OL but with the Niners' skill players and defense, would have won the SB. I don't think anyone is arguing Hurts has the skill players and defense we do, even though he's got an exciting group of young receivers around him.

This.

No question I'd take Hurts over Jimmy G but if the 2019 and 2021 9ers had the Eagle's offensive line we probably win two titles and we win one last year. Obviously hypotheticals are tricky but we might win one in 2022 as well.

Shanahan's offense has a major fatal flaw that has nothing to do with whoever is QB and that's the offense is heavily dependent on his scheme working to be effective.

The reason the offense is effective despite having a mediocre to crap offensive line outside of LT is because all the misdirection and smoke and mirrors confuses and slows down opposing defenses giving the offensive line favorable angles to block in the running game. With the passing game Shanahan is great at finding the weak links in a defense and getting favorable matchups there.

The flaw is when we run into a defense with a front that can overpower the offensive line and just ignore all the eye candy Shanahan throws at them. Combined with a back end that isn't easily exploitable in the passing game it's why you see teams like the Chiefs, Ravens, and Browns really cripple our offense when we play them.

When we run into defenses like that the running game goes nowhere because the offensive line needs to be able to just line up and overpower guys which they can't and the passing game stalls because the QB needs some time for guys to get open but the offensive line gets destroyed and can't give the QB the time they need to make plays.

Only a couple of defenses are able to actually pull it off but those types of defenses you usually see at least once in the postseason and why we keep falling short of winning a title.

[Jikkle]

It's definitely Week 1 in the NFL because most teams lack a certain sharpness to their play.

Like what I saw from the Texans and Colts.

Have to see more from the Bills and Dolphins as both seemed a little shakey to me.

Vikings and Saints seemed like products of playing some of the worst teams in the league. Though I do legitimately think the Saints will be a pretty decent team and likely make the playoffs. Vikings not so much but they are at least solid.

Cowboys don't look any different to me which is a good and bad thing for them.

Some of the media darlings like the Seahawks and Bears seem overhyped so far. Bears won but you really can't live on pick-sixes and blocked punts for TDs. Seahawks should beat the Broncos but at least offensively they don't look impressive at all and defensively hard to tell how much is it their defense or Bo Nix and the Broncos offense looking terrible.

[WentzerWuver]

Lol I just spew hot coffee outta my nose after reading your response. Ooouch hot hot hot!!!! So JimmyG is even better than Hurts in the SB with the same OL ...like your the one who needs some coffee to wake up Lol

He's not saying that. He's saying that Jimmy, behind that OL but with the Niners' skill players and defense, would have won the SB. I don't think anyone is arguing Hurts has the skill players and defense we do, even though he's got an exciting group of young receivers around him.

This.

No question I'd take Hurts over Jimmy G but if the 2019 and 2021 9ers had the Eagle's offensive line we probably win two titles and we win one last year. Obviously hypotheticals are tricky but we might win one in 2022 as well.

Shanahan's offense has a major fatal flaw that has nothing to do with whoever is QB and that's the offense is heavily dependent on his scheme working to be effective.

The reason the offense is effective despite having a mediocre to crap offensive line outside of LT is because all the misdirection and smoke and mirrors confuses and slows down opposing defenses giving the offensive line favorable angles to block in the running game. With the passing game Shanahan is great at finding the weak links in a defense and getting favorable matchups there.

The flaw is when we run into a defense with a front that can overpower the offensive line and just ignore all the eye candy Shanahan throws at them. Combined with a back end that isn't easily exploitable in the passing game it's why you see teams like the Chiefs, Ravens, and Browns really cripple our offense when we play them.

When we run into defenses like that the running game goes nowhere because the offensive line needs to be able to just line up and overpower guys which they can't and the passing game stalls because the QB needs some time for guys to get open but the offensive line gets destroyed and can't give the QB the time they need to make plays.

Only a couple of defenses are able to actually pull it off but those types of defenses you usually see at least once in the postseason and why we keep falling short of winning a title.

Agree and stand corrected. Lynch apparently has brought into this candy Kyle's been pushing during the draft as well.

[Big J]

It's definitely Week 1 in the NFL because most teams lack a certain sharpness to their play.

Like what I saw from the Texans and Colts.

Have to see more from the Bills and Dolphins as both seemed a little shakey to me.

Vikings and Saints seemed like products of playing some of the worst teams in the league. Though I do legitimately think the Saints will be a pretty decent team and likely make the playoffs. Vikings not so much but they are at least solid.

Cowboys don't look any different to me which is a good and bad thing for them.

Some of the media darlings like the Seahawks and Bears seem overhyped so far. Bears won but you really can't live on pick-sixes and blocked punts for TDs. Seahawks should beat the Broncos but at least offensively they don't look impressive at all and defensively hard to tell how much is it their defense or Bo Nix and the Broncos offense looking terrible.

Seahawks D looks scary. I think you are underselling their offense too. Walker is a beast, and the WR's are good also. Geno is about the same level as Purdy. As long as he doesn't lose the games they will be tough.

[WentzerWuver]

It's definitely Week 1 in the NFL because most teams lack a certain sharpness to their play.

Like what I saw from the Texans and Colts.

Have to see more from the Bills and Dolphins as both seemed a little shakey to me.

Vikings and Saints seemed like products of playing some of the worst teams in the league. Though I do legitimately think the Saints will be a pretty decent team and likely make the playoffs. Vikings not so much but they are at least solid.

Cowboys don't look any different to me which is a good and bad thing for them.

Some of the media darlings like the Seahawks and Bears seem overhyped so far. Bears won but you really can't live on pick-sixes and blocked punts for TDs. Seahawks should beat the Broncos but at least offensively they don't look impressive at all and defensively hard to tell how much is it their defense or Bo Nix and the Broncos offense looking terrible.

Seahawks D looks scary. I think you are underselling their offense too. Walker is a beast, and the WR's are good also. Geno is about the same level as Purdy. As long as he doesn't lose the games they will be tough.

Rams are the only team the Niners fear in their own division. Hawks won't even have a winning record and their neon unis are still ugly.