The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3

[PhilBlackson]

Personally I would start Brown for the sake of tanking. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t give Gradey the lion's share of minutes but yeah I’m sorry but idc if the starting lineup struggles to shoot & therefore lose. Let Brown start for the most part until he’s traded. He’s not likely to set the world on fire and create a huge trade market for himself but nonetheless be regarded a “starter” is likely to help his value more than hurt it.

I don’t worry about these guys “carrying” it to next season because then we can start pursuing the Cam Johnsons, THTs etc of the league and start really filling out the roster but what’s going to change the trajectory of this team even more than Gradey’s development is finding that running mate for Scottie. One that’s close to his level of talent (or better), that’s what will change everything moving forward.

Again we can still give Gradey more minutes than BB, like our “Manu” or something (again until BB is traded) but at least it should help prevent us from being a Play In team and improve our odds in the draft.

[Tripod]

Another tank post. Shockìng

[Thaddy]

Considering Dick is an offense first player I wonder where he caps out as an offensive option.

Barnes might be the 4th option for us. Dick 3rd?

1st - Barrett
2nd - Quickely
3rd - Dick
4th - Barnes
5th - Poeltl

We turn Barnes into a help defending, rebounding, and pass first. Then we make him the first option with the bench.

Gradey with a handle could operate a great pick and roll with Barnes. The gravity from his shot would give Barnes great looks

Our franchise player is going to be 4th option on offense? Has that ever happened in the history of the league?

Scottie has to step up. That's the only way forward. I want to see at least a Bosh level trajectory from a scoring standpoint from him. Hopefully more.

If he can't take that kind of leap, this "core" is going nowhere.

Enough of this "I like to pass the ball" crap. It's time to put your big boy pants on & step up. Work on your offense. Live up to your potential.

Steve Nash wasn't a top option and he was still a franchise player.

[HumbleRen]

Considering Dick is an offense first player I wonder where he caps out as an offensive option.

Barnes might be the 4th option for us. Dick 3rd?

1st - Barrett
2nd - Quickely
3rd - Dick
4th - Barnes
5th - Poeltl

We turn Barnes into a help defending, rebounding, and pass first. Then we make him the first option with the bench.

Gradey with a handle could operate a great pick and roll with Barnes. The gravity from his shot would give Barnes great looks

Our franchise player is going to be 4th option on offense? Has that ever happened in the history of the league?

Scottie has to step up. That's the only way forward. I want to see at least a Bosh level trajectory from a scoring standpoint from him. Hopefully more.

If he can't take that kind of leap, this "core" is going nowhere.

Enough of this "I like to pass the ball" crap. It's time to put your big boy pants on & step up. Work on your offense. Live up to your potential.

Steve Nash wasn't a top option and he was still a franchise player.

Steve Nash was the top option lol. His reluctance to be a high volume scorer hurt his teams more than anything else though.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

If Dick shoots like he did in summer league, it wont matter who's passing him the ball. His gaining weight might be messing with his shot.

Also, we need Barnes to put up major points. Like, 25ppg plus. We've failed if he's the fourth option. Cause, he's paid like the first.

[dTox]

Our franchise player is going to be 4th option on offense? Has that ever happened in the history of the league?

Scottie has to step up. That's the only way forward. I want to see at least a Bosh level trajectory from a scoring standpoint from him. Hopefully more.

If he can't take that kind of leap, this "core" is going nowhere.

Enough of this "I like to pass the ball" crap. It's time to put your big boy pants on & step up. Work on your offense. Live up to your potential.

Steve Nash wasn't a top option and he was still a franchise player.

Steve Nash was the top option lol. His reluctance to be a high volume scorer hurt his teams more than anything else though.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/steve-nash-expresses-regret-over-style-of-play-i-probably-should-have-shot-the-ball-20-times-a-game/

“Nellie [launched] my career in pushing me to be aggressive and score the ball. But I never took it to the heights that the numbers validate in today’s day and age, where I probably should have shot the ball 20 times a game. It probably would have made a lot more sense.”

Nelson firmly believed that Nash's hesitancy was costing the Mavs wins. Finally, the coach decided that it would cost Nash money if it didn't change.

"We had a situation where I demanded that he shoot at least 10 times a game," Nelson said. "I threatened to fine him if he didn't."

If Scottie is only a 4th option, on a team that's likely out of the playoffs, we are in deep deep trouble for the foreseeable future. That's a very low expectation out of your blue chip prospect.

[JB7]

Steve Nash wasn't a top option and he was still a franchise player.

Steve Nash was the top option lol. His reluctance to be a high volume scorer hurt his teams more than anything else though.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/steve-nash-expresses-regret-over-style-of-play-i-probably-should-have-shot-the-ball-20-times-a-game/

“Nellie [launched] my career in pushing me to be aggressive and score the ball. But I never took it to the heights that the numbers validate in today’s day and age, where I probably should have shot the ball 20 times a game. It probably would have made a lot more sense.”

Nelson firmly believed that Nash's hesitancy was costing the Mavs wins. Finally, the coach decided that it would cost Nash money if it didn't change.

"We had a situation where I demanded that he shoot at least 10 times a game," Nelson said. "I threatened to fine him if he didn't."

If Scottie is only a 4th option, on a team that's likely out of the playoffs, we are in deep deep trouble for the foreseeable future. That's a very low expectation out of your blue chip prospect.

The difference is Nash was an excellent shooter. Better than anyone else on the Mavs roster, outside of Dirk. So him deferring to players who are not as good would hurt the team.

Whereas in Barnes case, IQ, Gradey and even RJ could all be considered better shooters. So Scottie drawing defenses to him and then finding one of those 3 for a cleaner shot, might be the most efficient scoring option for the Raps.

[Scase]

Steve Nash was the top option lol. His reluctance to be a high volume scorer hurt his teams more than anything else though.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/steve-nash-expresses-regret-over-style-of-play-i-probably-should-have-shot-the-ball-20-times-a-game/

“Nellie [launched] my career in pushing me to be aggressive and score the ball. But I never took it to the heights that the numbers validate in today’s day and age, where I probably should have shot the ball 20 times a game. It probably would have made a lot more sense.”

Nelson firmly believed that Nash's hesitancy was costing the Mavs wins. Finally, the coach decided that it would cost Nash money if it didn't change.

"We had a situation where I demanded that he shoot at least 10 times a game," Nelson said. "I threatened to fine him if he didn't."

If Scottie is only a 4th option, on a team that's likely out of the playoffs, we are in deep deep trouble for the foreseeable future. That's a very low expectation out of your blue chip prospect.

The difference is Nash was an excellent shooter. Better than anyone else on the Mavs roster, outside of Dirk. So him deferring to players who are not as good would hurt the team.

Whereas in Barnes case, IQ, Gradey and even RJ could all be considered better shooters. So Scottie drawing defenses to him and then finding one of those 3 for a cleaner shot, might be the most efficient scoring option for the Raps.

3pt shot for sure, I'd rather have Gradey shooting it. But shots overall, Scottie should be taking the lions share. Unless Scottie is shooting lights out, I want to see him getting a legit mid range shot, if he can manage that, then he should be a top option.

I see no reason he should ever be a first option for a 3 though.

[MEDIC]

Considering Dick is an offense first player I wonder where he caps out as an offensive option.

Barnes might be the 4th option for us. Dick 3rd?

1st - Barrett
2nd - Quickely
3rd - Dick
4th - Barnes
5th - Poeltl

We turn Barnes into a help defending, rebounding, and pass first. Then we make him the first option with the bench.

Gradey with a handle could operate a great pick and roll with Barnes. The gravity from his shot would give Barnes great looks

Our franchise player is going to be 4th option on offense? Has that ever happened in the history of the league?

Scottie has to step up. That's the only way forward. I want to see at least a Bosh level trajectory from a scoring standpoint from him. Hopefully more.

If he can't take that kind of leap, this "core" is going nowhere.

Enough of this "I like to pass the ball" crap. It's time to put your big boy pants on & step up. Work on your offense. Live up to your potential.

Steve Nash wasn't a top option and he was still a franchise player.

Sure. But Scottie isn't Steve Nash. Not even close.

If Scottie's offensive development = the second coming of Hedo Turkeyglue, then he will have not lived up to his offensive potential. Not even close.

He should be striving to be a Bosh level iso scorer at minimum.

Bosh with playmaking skills would have been a great player. Unfortunately he had major tunnel vision, thererore wasn't a great 1st option.

[ItsDanger]

For Dick to excel offensively, he needs at least 1 offensive catalyst on his team that has strong gravity. Otherwise, his talent will be wasted.

[Tripod]

Bosh was an All Star for 11 straight years.

Just so people remember in case Barnes "only" gets to that level.

[HumbleRen]

Bosh was an All Star for 11 straight years.

Just so people remember in case Barnes "only" gets to that level.

Position was much weaker back then to be fair.

[bballsparkin]

Bosh was an All Star for 11 straight years.

Just so people remember in case Barnes "only" gets to that level.

Bosh is criminally underrated here. Sure he was a geek. But he was ahead of the times.

[JB7]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/steve-nash-expresses-regret-over-style-of-play-i-probably-should-have-shot-the-ball-20-times-a-game/





If Scottie is only a 4th option, on a team that's likely out of the playoffs, we are in deep deep trouble for the foreseeable future. That's a very low expectation out of your blue chip prospect.

The difference is Nash was an excellent shooter. Better than anyone else on the Mavs roster, outside of Dirk. So him deferring to players who are not as good would hurt the team.

Whereas in Barnes case, IQ, Gradey and even RJ could all be considered better shooters. So Scottie drawing defenses to him and then finding one of those 3 for a cleaner shot, might be the most efficient scoring option for the Raps.

3pt shot for sure, I'd rather have Gradey shooting it. But shots overall, Scottie should be taking the lions share. Unless Scottie is shooting lights out, I want to see him getting a legit mid range shot, if he can manage that, then he should be a top option.

I see no reason he should ever be a first option for a 3 though.

Scottie seems to want to emulate Magic. So ball dominant, but not a ball dominant scorer.

I could see a situation where Scottie is the 4th leading scorer, but all 4 are averaging in the 18-24pt range.

[Scase]

The difference is Nash was an excellent shooter. Better than anyone else on the Mavs roster, outside of Dirk. So him deferring to players who are not as good would hurt the team.

Whereas in Barnes case, IQ, Gradey and even RJ could all be considered better shooters. So Scottie drawing defenses to him and then finding one of those 3 for a cleaner shot, might be the most efficient scoring option for the Raps.

3pt shot for sure, I'd rather have Gradey shooting it. But shots overall, Scottie should be taking the lions share. Unless Scottie is shooting lights out, I want to see him getting a legit mid range shot, if he can manage that, then he should be a top option.

I see no reason he should ever be a first option for a 3 though.

Scottie seems to want to emulate Magic. So ball dominant, but not a ball dominant scorer.

I could see a situation where Scottie is the 4th leading scorer, but all 4 are averaging in the 18-24pt range.

Scottie is allowed to only average 20 once he starts putting up 13 ast and 8 reb lol. 20/7/7 aint gonna cut it.

[Chandan]

Steve Nash was the top option lol. His reluctance to be a high volume scorer hurt his teams more than anything else though.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/steve-nash-expresses-regret-over-style-of-play-i-probably-should-have-shot-the-ball-20-times-a-game/

“Nellie [launched] my career in pushing me to be aggressive and score the ball. But I never took it to the heights that the numbers validate in today’s day and age, where I probably should have shot the ball 20 times a game. It probably would have made a lot more sense.”

Nelson firmly believed that Nash's hesitancy was costing the Mavs wins. Finally, the coach decided that it would cost Nash money if it didn't change.

"We had a situation where I demanded that he shoot at least 10 times a game," Nelson said. "I threatened to fine him if he didn't."

If Scottie is only a 4th option, on a team that's likely out of the playoffs, we are in deep deep trouble for the foreseeable future. That's a very low expectation out of your blue chip prospect.

The difference is Nash was an excellent shooter. Better than anyone else on the Mavs roster, outside of Dirk. So him deferring to players who are not as good would hurt the team.

Whereas in Barnes case, IQ, Gradey and even RJ could all be considered better shooters. So Scottie drawing defenses to him and then finding one of those 3 for a cleaner shot, might be the most efficient scoring option for the Raps.

Scottie still needs to earn himself a reputation of a scorer to make it worth it for the other team to send help, otherwise they just take their chance and play honest defense and then our offensive identity would be unravelled.

[Tacoma]

Considering Dick is an offense first player I wonder where he caps out as an offensive option.

Barnes might be the 4th option for us. Dick 3rd?

1st - Barrett
2nd - Quickely
3rd - Dick
4th - Barnes
5th - Poeltl

We turn Barnes into a help defending, rebounding, and pass first. Then we make him the first option with the bench.

Gradey with a handle could operate a great pick and roll with Barnes. The gravity from his shot would give Barnes great looks

Our franchise player is going to be 4th option on offense? Has that ever happened in the history of the league?

Scottie has to step up. That's the only way forward. I want to see at least a Bosh level trajectory from a scoring standpoint from him. Hopefully more.

If he can't take that kind of leap, this "core" is going nowhere.

Enough of this "I like to pass the ball" crap. It's time to put your big boy pants on & step up. Work on your offense. Live up to your potential.

Steve Nash wasn't a top option and he was still a franchise player.

C'mon guys, are we really arguing Barnes as 4th option & be a franchise player? If Doncic, Ant and SAG were his teammates, sure. But if he's 4th option to IQ, RJ and Dick, then he's no franchise player (with due respect to RJ, IQ & DIck).

As for Steve Nash comparisons... yes, if Barnes becomes a 2x MVP, 7x All-NBA (including 3x on First Team) and lead the NBA in Assists 5x, then, yes, he could become our franchise player as a 4th option. Fingers crossed...

[TorontoBarneys]

Has Dick grown an inch or two this year? Can anyone confirm that has hard evidence?

[WhatsaTDot]

Has Dick grown an inch or two this year? Can anyone confirm that has hard evidence?

Demore this joke is made, deless I like it.

[Vampirate]

Personally I would start Brown for the sake of tanking. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t give Gradey the lion's share of minutes but yeah I’m sorry but idc if the starting lineup struggles to shoot & therefore lose. Let Brown start for the most part until he’s traded. He’s not likely to set the world on fire and create a huge trade market for himself but nonetheless be regarded a “starter” is likely to help his value more than hurt it.

I don’t worry about these guys “carrying” it to next season because then we can start pursuing the Cam Johnsons, THTs etc of the league and start really filling out the roster but what’s going to change the trajectory of this team even more than Gradey’s development is finding that running mate for Scottie. One that’s close to his level of talent (or better), that’s what will change everything moving forward.

Again we can still give Gradey more minutes than BB, like our “Manu” or something (again until BB is traded) but at least it should help prevent us from being a Play In team and improve our odds in the draft.

The drop from Bruce to Gradey, if there is any is small. Bruce is a vet, so it could be argued he's better than Gradey.

The only thing that's really going to change our standings much is playing Chomche a lot vs playing Poetl.