2024 NFL Season

[Big J]

https://nflrankings.theringer.com/qb-rankings

The ringer has Geno at 10 and Purdy at 16. I have the bit closer together than that, but yea.

[CrimsonCrew]

https://nflrankings.theringer.com/qb-rankings

The ringer has Geno at 10 and Purdy at 16. I have the bit closer together than that, but yea.

This is the same dude who had Purdy well into the 20s last year. Seems like maybe he doesn't have the best eye for this sort of thing.

Ruiz declared last year that he would no longer cover the sport if Purdy won the super bowl. Well, Purdy put his team into the lead the last three times he touched the football in the super bowl. He forced OT. He went toe-to-toe with Mahomes (admittedly with far better skill players), and the team did not lose that game because of him despite the interior OL being completely overwhelmed throughout the game, Samuel looking like he was running in cement, Kittle staying in to help out the OL, and a gameplan that didn't feature enough Aiyuk.

And having Geno Smith at 10 is simply disqualifying. What is the basis for that? Even with the Seahawks, who have had a very nice group of skill position players, Smith is 19-18. He's 31-37 for his career, including playoffs. The only time he has APPEARED in the playoffs in his ten-year career was on the receiving end of a 41-23 blowout orchestrated by Purdy. GTFO.

[CrimsonCrew]

These rankings get into something that I think cannot be overstated about NFL QBs. Some just have "it" and some don't. Ranking Justin Herbert fourth? I mean, okay. On paper, in a vacuum, MAYBE??? But you have to play the games. And Justin Herbert has just never, ever shown that he can come through in the clutch.

Maybe Harbaugh changes all that. Lord knows he's worked wonders before in a QB-friendly system (no doubt that ours is, too, though in very different ways). But until it does change, I don't see how you have a guy with one playoff appearance and no playoff wins as the fourth-best QB in the league unless his roster is absolute garbage - which Herbert's has not been.

[Jikkle]

https://nflrankings.theringer.com/qb-rankings

The ringer has Geno at 10 and Purdy at 16. I have the bit closer together than that, but yea.

There is not a world where I would rank Geno over Stroud, Love, Purdy, and Hurts.

And this guy's list is an outlier because almost every list I've seen will put Geno in that 15ish to 20ish range.

Geno is not a bad QB and a pretty solid one but there really is anything of substance to rank him as a top 10 QB. His success on the field has been mixed and there or no stats or advanced stats that would support that idea as well.

[Jikkle]

These rankings get into something that I think cannot be overstated about NFL QBs. Some just have "it" and some don't. Ranking Justin Herbert fourth? I mean, okay. On paper, in a vacuum, MAYBE??? But you have to play the games. And Justin Herbert has just never, ever shown that he can come through in the clutch.

Maybe Harbaugh changes all that. Lord knows he's worked wonders before in a QB-friendly system (no doubt that ours is, too, though in very different ways). But until it does change, I don't see how you have a guy with one playoff appearance and no playoff wins as the fourth-best QB in the league unless his roster is absolute garbage - which Herbert's has not been.

That's the issue with some of these rankings because where do you factor the "it" part of it.

Dak is a prime example as he's great in the regular season but do a draft of QBs for just the postseason and he'd be towards the bottom since he has a consistent history of underperforming in the playoffs.

You could argue the same things about Lamar and Josh Allen to a lesser extent to. Guys with all world ability but end up falling short consistently in the postseason.

[Big J]

These rankings get into something that I think cannot be overstated about NFL QBs. Some just have "it" and some don't. Ranking Justin Herbert fourth? I mean, okay. On paper, in a vacuum, MAYBE??? But you have to play the games. And Justin Herbert has just never, ever shown that he can come through in the clutch.

Maybe Harbaugh changes all that. Lord knows he's worked wonders before in a QB-friendly system (no doubt that ours is, too, though in very different ways). But until it does change, I don't see how you have a guy with one playoff appearance and no playoff wins as the fourth-best QB in the league unless his roster is absolute garbage - which Herbert's has not been.

Herbert has everything you want in a QB. Big and physically imposing, huge arm, good legs, smart, knows how to read the defense. The Chargers have been an incompetent organization for decades. His last coach was a league wide joke. It's actually kind of a miracle he was able to overcome the head coach and make the playoffs that 1 year.

[Big J]

These rankings get into something that I think cannot be overstated about NFL QBs. Some just have "it" and some don't. Ranking Justin Herbert fourth? I mean, okay. On paper, in a vacuum, MAYBE??? But you have to play the games. And Justin Herbert has just never, ever shown that he can come through in the clutch.

Maybe Harbaugh changes all that. Lord knows he's worked wonders before in a QB-friendly system (no doubt that ours is, too, though in very different ways). But until it does change, I don't see how you have a guy with one playoff appearance and no playoff wins as the fourth-best QB in the league unless his roster is absolute garbage - which Herbert's has not been.

That's the issue with some of these rankings because where do you factor the "it" part of it.

Dak is a prime example as he's great in the regular season but do a draft of QBs for just the postseason and he'd be towards the bottom since he has a consistent history of underperforming in the playoffs.

You could argue the same things about Lamar and Josh Allen to a lesser extent to. Guys with all world ability but end up falling short consistently in the postseason.

The "it" for guys like Purdy and Jimmy G is that they have had great systems and players around them. Team wins aren't a Quarterback stat.

[Jikkle]

Seahawks D looks scary. I think you are underselling their offense too. Walker is a beast, and the WR's are good also. Geno is about the same level as Purdy. As long as he doesn't lose the games they will be tough.

Except that as a ten-year NFL vet, GEno still couldn't play under pressure the way Purdy did as a second-year player. He doesn't have the vision and anticipation. He has a stronger arm and is better hitting fades down the sideline, but he's not nearly as good seeing the game in the middle of the field.

Love that all these people critiquing Purdy seemingly have no concept of QBs performing under pressure. As if anyone can do it. If Goff could play under pressure, he could be a HOF QB. But pressure him even a little and he tends to fall apart. That's why he desperately needs the world-class OL he plays behind. Purdy has shown remarkable poise under pressure to date in his career. That's one of the most important things for a QB, and all signs point to Purdy having it in spades.

If Purdy is so great under pressure why was he trash in the Browns & Ravens games last year when he saw a ton of it?

It's because of what I alluded to in an earlier post that these defenses have secondaries that aren't easily exploited by Shanahan and defensive lines that can beat our offensive line like a drum.

The QB needs time for guys to work themselves open but doesn't have time because he's got a guy in his face barely after he finishes his dropback.

It's the same recipe that Brady would lose against when you look at some of his playoff games. It's why the Ravens would give the Pats so much trouble because they were able to routinely do this to Brady when they had guys like Reed, Lewis, and Suggs.

It's what I'm hoping our defense does this season because they should have parts finally to do it.

That's not to excuse Purdy though as they really weren't his best games. To the Raven's credit there is a reason Mike Macdonald got a head coaching job because I thought he did a great job of being able to confuse Purdy with what he threw out him.

[Big J]

Except that as a ten-year NFL vet, GEno still couldn't play under pressure the way Purdy did as a second-year player. He doesn't have the vision and anticipation. He has a stronger arm and is better hitting fades down the sideline, but he's not nearly as good seeing the game in the middle of the field.

Love that all these people critiquing Purdy seemingly have no concept of QBs performing under pressure. As if anyone can do it. If Goff could play under pressure, he could be a HOF QB. But pressure him even a little and he tends to fall apart. That's why he desperately needs the world-class OL he plays behind. Purdy has shown remarkable poise under pressure to date in his career. That's one of the most important things for a QB, and all signs point to Purdy having it in spades.

If Purdy is so great under pressure why was he trash in the Browns & Ravens games last year when he saw a ton of it?

It's because of what I alluded to in an earlier post that these defenses have secondaries that aren't easily exploited by Shanahan and defensive lines that can beat our offensive line like a drum.

The QB needs time for guys to work themselves open but doesn't have time because he's got a guy in his face barely after he finishes his dropback.

It's the same recipe that Brady would lose against when you look at some of his playoff games. It's why the Ravens would give the Pats so much trouble because they were able to routinely do this to Brady when they had guys like Reed, Lewis, and Suggs.

It's what I'm hoping our defense does this season because they should have parts finally to do it.

That's not to excuse Purdy though as they really weren't his best games. To the Raven's credit there is a reason Mike Macdonald got a head coaching job because I thought he did a great job of being able to confuse Purdy with what he threw out him.

Yea, kinda scary that our division rivals got ahold of MacDonald.

[WentzerWuver]

Herbert has everything you want in a QB. Big and physically imposing, huge arm, good legs, smart, knows how to read the defense. The Chargers have been an incompetent organization for decades. His last coach was a league wide joke. It's actually kind of a miracle he was able to overcome the head coach and make the playoffs that 1 year.

Hmm, did you idolize physically imposing huge arm guys as a kid and still have posters of them plastered all over your bedroom walls? I am wondering if this guy sitting here was you taking it all in, huh

https://youtube.com/shorts/J0rLaNiGpis?si=fiApYKRa67AMOEso

[CrimsonCrew]

These rankings get into something that I think cannot be overstated about NFL QBs. Some just have "it" and some don't. Ranking Justin Herbert fourth? I mean, okay. On paper, in a vacuum, MAYBE??? But you have to play the games. And Justin Herbert has just never, ever shown that he can come through in the clutch.

Maybe Harbaugh changes all that. Lord knows he's worked wonders before in a QB-friendly system (no doubt that ours is, too, though in very different ways). But until it does change, I don't see how you have a guy with one playoff appearance and no playoff wins as the fourth-best QB in the league unless his roster is absolute garbage - which Herbert's has not been.

Herbert has everything you want in a QB. Big and physically imposing, huge arm, good legs, smart, knows how to read the defense. The Chargers have been an incompetent organization for decades. His last coach was a league wide joke. It's actually kind of a miracle he was able to overcome the head coach and make the playoffs that 1 year.

Everything except a track record of signature wins and performing in the clutch in games or in the context of a season. Every other QB on this list has games that you can point to as a statement win. A blowout of a really good team. A late-season, come-from-behind, gritty win to lock up a playoff berth or advance in the playoffs. Purdy has a bunch in just over a year-and-a-half as a starter.

Herbert doesn't have nearly as many of those types of games as you would expect for a guy with his number of starts. He'll put up stats. He'll beat up on weak opponents. But where are these pivotal games for him? As a rookie, he only started winning once his team was out of things, and then didn't beat anyone with a winning record except a Chiefs team that benched all its starters.

In his second year, he had early season wins against the Chiefs and Raiders, which were big. He also beat the Bengals with a strong performance. But he ended the season on a 1-4 run to miss out on the playoffs. That included a loss to the Raiders that sent them to the playoffs instead of the Chargers. He had a great comeback to tie that game up and force OT, but they were only in that position because of his struggles in the third quarter. If you're going to ding Purdy for the SB, you have to ding Herbert for this loss.

In his third season, he just beat up on bad teams. He only had one win against a team with a winning record, and that was the 9-8 Dolphins. And last year he didn't beat any teams with a winning record.

You can even look to his college career and it's tough to identify an impact win. He had a good performance in one bowl game, but it was all with his legs. Otherwise, where are the clutch performances. For me, there's something to Joe Montana. Dude just found a way to get it done when the chips were down. Herbert has never shown he's that guy. Purdy has shown some of it to date, at least.

But Steven Ruiz probably would have rated Montana in the late teens because he was small, mediocre arm, only slightly above average athleticism. There's more to the game than how a guy looks in shorts and how far he can throw the ball.

[arich35]

Seahawks D looks scary. I think you are underselling their offense too. Walker is a beast, and the WR's are good also. Geno is about the same level as Purdy. As long as he doesn't lose the games they will be tough.

Except that as a ten-year NFL vet, GEno still couldn't play under pressure the way Purdy did as a second-year player. He doesn't have the vision and anticipation. He has a stronger arm and is better hitting fades down the sideline, but he's not nearly as good seeing the game in the middle of the field.

Love that all these people critiquing Purdy seemingly have no concept of QBs performing under pressure. As if anyone can do it. If Goff could play under pressure, he could be a HOF QB. But pressure him even a little and he tends to fall apart. That's why he desperately needs the world-class OL he plays behind. Purdy has shown remarkable poise under pressure to date in his career. That's one of the most important things for a QB, and all signs point to Purdy having it in spades.

If Purdy is so great under pressure why was he trash in the Browns & Ravens games last year when he saw a ton of it?

Purdy was one of the top QBs under pressure, arguably the best
https://ftnfantasy.com/nfl/qbs-under-pressure-in-2023

[Pattersonca65]

https://nflrankings.theringer.com/qb-rankings

The ringer has Geno at 10 and Purdy at 16. I have the bit closer together than that, but yea.

This is the same dude who had Purdy well into the 20s last year. Seems like maybe he doesn't have the best eye for this sort of thing.

Ruiz declared last year that he would no longer cover the sport if Purdy won the super bowl. Well, Purdy put his team into the lead the last three times he touched the football in the super bowl. He forced OT. He went toe-to-toe with Mahomes (admittedly with far better skill players), and the team did not lose that game because of him despite the interior OL being completely overwhelmed throughout the game, Samuel looking like he was running in cement, Kittle staying in to help out the OL, and a gameplan that didn't feature enough Aiyuk.

And having Geno Smith at 10 is simply disqualifying. What is the basis for that? Even with the Seahawks, who have had a very nice group of skill position players, Smith is 19-18. He's 31-37 for his career, including playoffs. The only time he has APPEARED in the playoffs in his ten-year career was on the receiving end of a 41-23 blowout orchestrated by Purdy. GTFO.

LOL, Ruiz is known all over the internet as a Geno Smith homer and a clown reputation. Been that way for years

[Pattersonca65]

These rankings get into something that I think cannot be overstated about NFL QBs. Some just have "it" and some don't. Ranking Justin Herbert fourth? I mean, okay. On paper, in a vacuum, MAYBE??? But you have to play the games. And Justin Herbert has just never, ever shown that he can come through in the clutch.

Maybe Harbaugh changes all that. Lord knows he's worked wonders before in a QB-friendly system (no doubt that ours is, too, though in very different ways). But until it does change, I don't see how you have a guy with one playoff appearance and no playoff wins as the fourth-best QB in the league unless his roster is absolute garbage - which Herbert's has not been.

That's the issue with some of these rankings because where do you factor the "it" part of it.

Dak is a prime example as he's great in the regular season but do a draft of QBs for just the postseason and he'd be towards the bottom since he has a consistent history of underperforming in the playoffs.

You could argue the same things about Lamar and Josh Allen to a lesser extent to. Guys with all world ability but end up falling short consistently in the postseason.

The "it" for guys like Purdy and Jimmy G is that they have had great systems and players around them. Team wins aren't a Quarterback stat.

The fact you put those two QBs together shows how very little you know

[Big J]

That's the issue with some of these rankings because where do you factor the "it" part of it.

Dak is a prime example as he's great in the regular season but do a draft of QBs for just the postseason and he'd be towards the bottom since he has a consistent history of underperforming in the playoffs.

You could argue the same things about Lamar and Josh Allen to a lesser extent to. Guys with all world ability but end up falling short consistently in the postseason.

The "it" for guys like Purdy and Jimmy G is that they have had great systems and players around them. Team wins aren't a Quarterback stat.

The fact you put those two QBs together shows how very little you know

I'm sure you used to get just as defensive about Jimmy when people called him a game manager.

[CrimsonCrew]

The "it" for guys like Purdy and Jimmy G is that they have had great systems and players around them. Team wins aren't a Quarterback stat.

The fact you put those two QBs together shows how very little you know

I'm sure you used to get just as defensive about Jimmy when people called him a game manager.

Jimmy was much more limited than Purdy. He had no mobility whatsoever. He wasn't great at reading the defense. He couldn't threaten defenses outside the numbers or downfield. Purdy can do all those things fairly well. He needs to improve his fade ball outside the numbers (reports from camp were that he appeared to be making some progress in this area) and cut down a bit on the dangerous throws, but otherwise it's pretty hard to criticize many aspects of his game IMO. To date, the kid has just gotten it done with the exception of a couple of games.

[CrimsonCrew]

For the record, my view of Jimmy was that he was a mid-level QB within our system, and you can't win in this league paying that guy top dollar. In his first season with the Niners, he showed a degree of poise under pressure that he never really showed after, which had me believing he could be more. But if that was more than a fluke, he lost it.

If he could have eliminated the dumb plays - his were much worse than Purdy's - then we could have gotten by with him. But his ceiling was always going to be low because of how he attacked the field (i.e., a 12-yard x 30-yard box in the middle). Purdy regularly attacks outside that box because his anticipating and vision compensate for his lack of arm strength.

[Pattersonca65]

The "it" for guys like Purdy and Jimmy G is that they have had great systems and players around them. Team wins aren't a Quarterback stat.

The fact you put those two QBs together shows how very little you know

I'm sure you used to get just as defensive about Jimmy when people called him a game manager.

You like many other people don't even know what a game manager is

[CrimsonCrew]

I know I've been guilty of it, but maybe we can kick the Purdy discussion back to the Purdy thread and leave this thread for talking about league-wide news?

Along those lines, Nacua to IR with a PCL sprain. Will miss at least four games, including the first match with the Niners. Good thing I overspent for Kupp in my fantasy draft.

[WentzerWuver]

I know I've been guilty of it, but maybe we can kick the Purdy discussion back to the Purdy thread and leave this thread for talking about league-wide news?

Along those lines, Nacua to IR with a PCL sprain. Will miss at least four games, including the first match with the Niners. Good thing I overspent for Kupp in my fantasy draft.

I picked him up in the 4th round draft a week ago as both Deebo and Aiyuk were already gone by then. I did draft CMC in another league when I ended up with the top pick