Nets Have High Asking Price For Cameron Johnson

Post #1 » by **RealGM Wiretap** » Mon Sep 9, 2024 12:32 pm

The Brooklyn Nets have received lots of trade interest in forward Cameron Johnson. However, Brooklyn GM Sean Marks has put a high asking price on Johnson in trade talks. Until that changes, expect Johnson to remain with the rebuilding Nets.

Johnson is in the second year of the four-year, $90 million contract he signed with Brooklyn last offseason. He'll make $23.6 million during the 2024-25 season. In Johnson's first full season with the Nets, he averaged 13.4 points on 45/39/79 shooting splits and 4.3 rebounds in 58 games.

The Nets kicked off the rebuilding process this offseason. First, Brooklyn reacquired some of their own draft picks from the Houston Rockets that they had dealt in the James Harden trade. Marks then traded Mikal Bridges to the crosstown New York Knicks for a package that included up to five future first-round picks, and a future first-round pick swap.

The Nets are expected to consider trades for the veterans on their roster this season. That includes Johnson, Dorian Finney-Smith, Dennis Schroder and Bojan Bogdanovic, the latter of whom was acquired in the Bridges deal.

Via Brian Lewis/New York Post

JKiddy · Post #2 » by **JKiddy** » Mon Sep 9, 2024 1:45 pm

Lakers probably offering crap for him!

Post #3 » by **TheCage4** » Mon Sep 9, 2024 2:29 pm

If at first you don't succeed, keep trading until you have more picks than Sam Presti.

Roy T · Post #4 » by **Roy T** » Mon Sep 9, 2024 3:35 pm

JKiddy wrote:Lakers probably offering crap for him!

Hachimura and 2nds!

Wallace_Wallace · Post #5 » by **Wallace_Wallace** » Mon Sep 9, 2024 5:38 pm

Roy T wrote:
JKiddy wrote:Lakers probably offering crap for him!

Hachimura and 2nds!

The ultimate "overrating their players" showdown......Austin Reeves for Cameron Johnson!

Pickled Prunes · Post #6 » by **Pickled Prunes** » Mon Sep 9, 2024 5:47 pm

Roy T wrote:
JKiddy wrote:Lakers probably offering crap for him!

Hachimura and 2nds!

That would be the Lakers giving up 2nds for essentially the same player... although Cam costs $10m more and Rui is two years younger. That would be a tremendous blunder by LAL!

the_process · Post #7 » by **the_process** » Mon Sep 9, 2024 6:40 pm

Pickled Prunes wrote:
Roy T wrote:
JKiddy wrote:Lakers probably offering crap for him!

Hachimura and 2nds!

That would be the Lakers giving up 2nds for essentially the same player... although Cam costs $10m more and Rui is two years younger. That would be a tremendous blunder by LAL!

Cam is a better shooter than Rui on much better volume.

That being said, Rui out percentaged him last year on lesser volume, and as mentioned Rui is younger and cheaper.

Rui is a better rebounder, and Cam is a better defender. i don't think the Lakers are the team that wants Cam, though.

I would like to know what BKN is asking for Cam. "High price" is relative.

binjumper · Post #8 » by **binjumper** » Mon Sep 9, 2024 6:46 pm

Anyone trading for him is going to regret it. He is who he is as a player. He's 28...

TimeisIllmatic · Post #9 » by **TimeisIllmatic** » Mon Sep 9, 2024 8:22 pm

That price will drop either by the deadline or next summer.

Pickled Prunes · Post #10 » by **Pickled Prunes** » Mon Sep 9, 2024 9:44 pm

the_process wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:
Roy T wrote:
Hachimura and 2nds!

That would be the Lakers giving up 2nds for essentially the same player... although Cam costs $10m more and Rui is two years younger. That would be a tremendous blunder by LAL!

Cam is a better shooter than Rui on much better volume.

That being said, Rui out percentaged him last year on lesser volume, and as mentioned Rui is younger and cheaper.

Rui is a better rebounder, and Cam is a better defender. i don't think the Lakers are the team that wants Cam, though.

I would like to know what BKN is asking for Cam. "High price" is relative.

There is no such thing as "better volume". Volume has more to do with what a team/coach is asking of you than what you are capable of. There is a point where the sample size is too small, but Rui shot 42% from 3pt last season on 232 attempts. That is no longer a small sample size. Just for fun, here are their career stats:

Cam: 5 seasons, 283 games, 7,222 minutes, 3,325 PTS, 1,095 REB, 470 AST, 2,588 FGA, .447 FG%, .392 3P%, .596 TS%, $27m
Rui: 5 seasons, 278 games, 7,476 minutes, 3,543 PTS, 1,343 REB, 356 AST, 2,834 FGA, .493 FG%, .371 3P%, .570 TS%, $17m

Their situations coming in were different. We must keep in mind that Rui spent his first 3+ seasons on a terrible WAS team and Cam started his career getting dimed up by CP3. Last season was Rui's most efficient and near Cams's least efficient. They are still remarkably similar. I'd say the biggest difference between the two is the size of their contracts.

niha17 · Post #11 » by **niha17** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:34 am

Be real hes not good

KDs29thBurner · Post #12 » by **KDs29thBurner** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 1:30 am

For sure, Cam is a better fit next to Lebron than Rui, but Mark's will ask for far more than what the Lakers can offer

eureca20 · Post #13 » by **eureca20** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:39 am

KDs29thBurner wrote:For sure, Cam is a better fit next to Lebron than Rui, but Mark's will ask for far more than what the Lakers can offer

Highly disagree about what the Lakers can offer part. You are acting like Cam is some star. Every team in the NBA can offer a package for Cam that is better than Cam is as a player. If Nets have a high asking price then nobody in the NBA should consider trading for him.

Revived · Post #14 » by **Revived** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:07 am

Pickled Prunes wrote:
Roy T wrote:
JKiddy wrote:Lakers probably offering crap for him!

Hachimura and 2nds!

That would be the Lakers giving up 2nds for essentially the same player... although Cam costs $10m more and Rui is two years younger. That would be a tremendous blunder by LAL!

Cam is a shooter that Rui in his wildest dreams couldn’t be. Sure Rui may be better at other areas of basketball but for the Lakers, 3pt shooting is the #1 thing they need and Cam is better fit for that than Rui.

JKiddy · Post #15 » by **JKiddy** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 1:42 pm

Revived wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:
Roy T wrote:
Hachimura and 2nds!

That would be the Lakers giving up 2nds for essentially the same player... although Cam costs $10m more and Rui is two years younger. That would be a tremendous blunder by LAL!

Cam is a shooter that Rui in his wildest dreams couldn’t be. Sure Rui may be better at other areas of basketball but for the Lakers, 3pt shooting is the #1 thing they need and Cam is better fit for that than Rui.

I am Rui's biggest fan and you are correct. CamJo is light years ahead of him in shooting. The Lakers need shooting to contend. Cam is the only shooter possibly available on the market that would make them instant contenders. I do not know that the Lakers can offer BK and if it would be enough. I am unsure if they would want Rui and a 1st.

the_process · Post #16 » by **the_process** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 6:10 pm

JKiddy wrote:
Revived wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:That would be the Lakers giving up 2nds for essentially the same player... although Cam costs $10m more and Rui is two years younger. That would be a tremendous blunder by LAL!

Cam is a shooter that Rui in his wildest dreams couldn’t be. Sure Rui may be better at other areas of basketball but for the Lakers, 3pt shooting is the #1 thing they need and Cam is better fit for that than Rui.

I am Rui's biggest fan and you are correct. CamJo is light years ahead of him in shooting. The Lakers need shooting to contend. Cam is the only shooter possibly available on the market that would make them instant contenders. I do not know that the Lakers can offer BK and if it would be enough. I am unsure if they would want Rui and a 1st.

BKN should jump all over Rui and a 1st for Cam.

The Lakers will also want to dump Vincent's money as part of the deal, and that's where it gets dicey.

Assuming, of course, the Lakers actually want Cam.

Pickled Prunes · Post #17 » by **Pickled Prunes** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 6:15 pm

JKiddy wrote:
Revived wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:That would be the Lakers giving up 2nds for essentially the same player... although Cam costs $10m more and Rui is two years younger. That would be a tremendous blunder by LAL!

Cam is a shooter that Rui in his wildest dreams couldn’t be. Sure Rui may be better at other areas of basketball but for the Lakers, 3pt shooting is the #1 thing they need and Cam is better fit for that than Rui.

I am Rui's biggest fan and you are correct. CamJo is light years ahead of him in shooting. The Lakers need shooting to contend. Cam is the only shooter possibly available on the market that would make them instant contenders. I do not know that the Lakers can offer BK and if it would be enough. I am unsure if they would want Rui and a 1st.

I know that is the perception, but the numbers don't bear that out. Situation is everything. For their careers Cam has shot 2% better from 3pt than Rui, but last season Rui shot 3% better than Cam. The player in the better situation has shot better from 3pt each year. (Rui has had a better overall FG% every season.)

Cam spent his first three seasons developing his 3pt as a 3&D wing in PHX. In those seasons PHX was 1st, 3rd and 4th in AST and Cam was about as open as a player can be. PHX asked nothing more from him. Last season BRK was 20th in AST; Cam had to create more and he struggled.

Rui spent his first three seasons on a bad WAS team, working inside the arc where his efficiency is far superior to Cam's. WAS was middle of the pack in AST all three seasons and Rui had to create a lot of his own opportunities. Last season LAL was 5th in AST and Rui played more of a 3&D role. He was asked to create less and he excelled.

Cam does have a slightly better stroke from 3pt and Rui has more strength in the post. This is largely a result of their situations and what their coaches/teams asked of them. But the bottom line is that there is no scenario where Cam is worth $10m more than Rui... or even a scenario where Cam is worth $27m at all. I could see LAL giving up a 2nd or two to try a different look with Cam if their contracts were the same, but they aren't. Cam is way overpaid for his production. With all this in mind, it wouldn't make sense for LAL to make the trade straight up, let alone include assets.

Pickled Prunes · Post #18 » by **Pickled Prunes** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 6:18 pm

the_process wrote:
JKiddy wrote:
Revived wrote:Cam is a shooter that Rui in his wildest dreams couldn’t be. Sure Rui may be better at other areas of basketball but for the Lakers, 3pt shooting is the #1 thing they need and Cam is better fit for that than Rui.

I am Rui's biggest fan and you are correct. CamJo is light years ahead of him in shooting. The Lakers need shooting to contend. Cam is the only shooter possibly available on the market that would make them instant contenders. I do not know that the Lakers can offer BK and if it would be enough. I am unsure if they would want Rui and a 1st.

BKN should jump all over Rui and a 1st for Cam.

The Lakers will also want to dump Vincent's money as part of the deal, and that's where it gets dicey.

Assuming, of course, the Lakers actually want Cam.

Yes they should... if LAL were foolish enough to make that offer. It would be a massive mistake by the Lakers. Rui and Cam are essentially a wash. Lakers fans love to hate their own players. At $27m Cam would immediately become the most fan-hated Laker.