Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Beal for Midds discussed last year

[soxperry]

I, for one, would love to get back to boat racing regular season teams.

[nagawicka]

Do you watch the Bucks' playoffs series? Have you seen his numbers?

Have you how numbers never translates into titles? Once, sure. So what?

Some of you don't deserve Giannis.

And because we're fans of a team in Milwaukee, you probably won't be burdened with another player like him for a very long time.

Exactly zero about a sports opinion gives you permission to you to attack another fan as unworthy. The insights don't go away because you don't like them. Bucks won a title b/c they had a balanced attack, more team less heroball; G's sheer numbers being necessary but not sufficient. Saying otherwise does'nt make it so. And no fan 'deserves' glory, that's why they play the game.

[emunney]

We love to talk about the same thing over and over with no acknowledgment of the previous and just barely concluded discussion don't we folks

[JonHeist]

Disagree with a post but don't attack the poster - MD

[emunney]

I think you can appreciate Giannis while acknowledging he has his flaws, and acknowledge his flaws without assigning him blame for the fact that we've only won one ring. The reasons we've only won one ring are crystal clear to me:

1) Critical injuries
2) Crazy shooting disparities

In short: luck.

The way you win rings in today's NBA is you remain good for long enough to get lucky. The question we've all been grappling with is how are we going to remain good 2-5 years from now. The idea that we should instead go back to debating whether *Giannis* is good enough, well, I wish you all the best in circling that drain.

[SupremeHustle]

Wow. Jays. It's been years, man. Do they still make those?

EDIT: Yes they do. Who knew? (Probably a lot of people.)

[paulpressey25]

Hoop Collective had a good discussion of the Bucks at the 35 minute mark.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?i=1000668993665

Bontemps said the Bucks had only two players on the entire team who dunked more than 25 times. Giannis led league with 250 and Lopez had 42. No one else had 25.

And then noted Dame dunked 8 times and Pat only 3.

Global point was Bucks have no athleticism and are old.

[ReasonablySober]

Hoop Collective had a good discussion of the Bucks at the 35 minute mark.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?i=1000668993665

Bontemps said the Bucks had only two players on the entire team who dunked more than 25 times. Giannis led league with 250 and Lopez had 42. No one else had 25.

And then noted Dame dunked 8 times and Pat only 3.

Global point was Bucks have no athleticism and are old.

No athleticism besides the guy who lead the league in dunks.

[emunney]

Hoop Collective had a good discussion of the Bucks at the 35 minute mark.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?i=1000668993665

Bontemps said the Bucks had only two players on the entire team who dunked more than 25 times. Giannis led league with 250 and Lopez had 42. No one else had 25.

And then noted Dame dunked 8 times and Pat only 3.

Global point was Bucks have no athleticism and are old.

This is not a new phenomenon and is about Giannis and the types of players around him, not their ages. We're old and unathletic but it's not described by this.

[Daver]

Hoop Collective had a good discussion of the Bucks at the 35 minute mark.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?i=1000668993665

Bontemps said the Bucks had only two players on the entire team who dunked more than 25 times. Giannis led league with 250 and Lopez had 42. No one else had 25.

And then noted Dame dunked 8 times and Pat only 3.

Global point was Bucks have no athleticism and are old.

This is not a new phenomenon and is about Giannis and the types of players around him, not their ages. We're old and unathletic but it's not described by this.

Love how people say we are old constantly yet fail to realize or just dont care thst the nba champs Cs average age is .5 years younger than we are so i guess if we are old that makes tbe Cs a fu... old team to yes or is that just the status quo used on the board by 80% of the posters to make a argument that the bucks lose is well because they are old n unathletic

[Fotis St]

Hoop Collective had a good discussion of the Bucks at the 35 minute mark.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?i=1000668993665

Bontemps said the Bucks had only two players on the entire team who dunked more than 25 times. Giannis led league with 250 and Lopez had 42. No one else had 25.

And then noted Dame dunked 8 times and Pat only 3.

Global point was Bucks have no athleticism and are old.

1000% correct ... now trade Brook,Khris and Pat C already ... I want them GOOOOONE

[theFireBlanket]

see AJJdunk.com

[Ron Swanson]

Can't disagree that we're certainly older at key positions 2-4 (Dame, Khris, Brook), but what a meaningless way to quantify team "athleticism and youth". Brook at 36 is still more vertically athletic than most 7-footers, while Bobby is only 29 but has the vertical explosiveness of a late career Zaza Pachulia. And Giannis at 37-years old will most likely still be more athletic than like, 70% of the league cuz he's a freak. But sure, let me hear more about these elite, young athletes like *checks dunk numbers*, Luke Kornet....

[chonestown]

Hoop Collective had a good discussion of the Bucks at the 35 minute mark.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/brian-windhorst-the-hoop-collective/id293376147?i=1000668993665

Bontemps said the Bucks had only two players on the entire team who dunked more than 25 times. Giannis led league with 250 and Lopez had 42. No one else had 25.

And then noted Dame dunked 8 times and Pat only 3.

Global point was Bucks have no athleticism and are old.

This is not a new phenomenon and is about Giannis and the types of players around him, not their ages. We're old and unathletic but it's not described by this.

Love how people say we are old constantly yet fail to realize or just dont care thst the nba champs Cs average age is .5 years younger than we are so i guess if we are old that makes tbe Cs a fu... old team to yes or is that just the status quo used on the board by 80% of the posters to make a argument that the bucks lose is well because they are old n unathletic

soemtimes you have to look closer at the sadistics too see what they really mean jeru is old and so is hoorford but everybody else is in their prime and or latvian case clothed

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I think you can appreciate Giannis while acknowledging he has his flaws, and acknowledge his flaws without assigning him blame for the fact that we've only won one ring. The reasons we've only won one ring are crystal clear to me:

1) Critical injuries
2) Crazy shooting disparities

In short: luck.

The way you win rings in today's NBA is you remain good for long enough to get lucky. The question we've all been grappling with is how are we going to remain good 2-5 years from now. The idea that we should instead go back to debating whether *Giannis* is good enough, well, I wish you all the best in circling that drain.

I would add a third in limited resources. We aren't LA or Miami where top-end talent (still in their prime) forced their way to form super teams.

Hoopshype has Giannis as 22 (Crazy that he hasn't moved up much the rankings since the original in 2021 - 24, 22, 22, 22) in their annual list:
1 LBJ - Moved around to form super teams
2 Jordan - Big Market, and had a 'natural' super team with Pippen (a top 30 player all time)
3 KAJ - Started with Oscar but then moved to LA for his other 5 rings
4 Magic - LA see above
5 Bill - Don't know enough but I'm becoming a little bit of a Russell truther. The league was 8 teams, where 6 made the playoffs and only needed 10 healthy playoff games
6 Wilt - Moved to LA for his second ring
7 Bird - Boston with a good team, but most of it was Bird
8 Kobe - LA guy Had Shaq and other stars like Gasol coming over
9 Shaq - LA guy had Kobe before having Wade
10 Duncan - I think extremely underrated and basically a more accomplished Giannis path
11 Hakeem - Same as Duncan
12 Durant - Had to go to GSW to get his rings
13 Curry - Similar Duncan path though they benefited from having GSW money later on with Durant
14 Oscar - Needed Kareem
15 K Malone - No rings - less accomplished version of Giannis path
16 M Malone - Probably another one similar to Giannis 1 ring, but also had Dr J
17 KG - Had to form a super team in Boston
18 West - LA guy and only 1 title
19 Dirk - Similar to Giannis only 1 title, had post prime kidd
20 Dr J - only 1 title and was with M Malone
21 Elgin - no rings

In conclusion, its f-ing hard to win multiple rings. And the guys who did that got help. Only Curry, Duncan, Hakeem had more success than Giannis where they didnt get help from a superstar and big market team. Giannis is probably in the dirk category of he only got 1, but it was damn good one despite what other say. Outside of one year of out of shape Dame, Giannis has played with a top 150 guy. That's kind of crazy. This could all be mute if we blow it up in 2 years and Giannis goes to SAS and gets 3 more rings with Wemby to put him in the top 15 all-time.


ETA: https://hoopshype.com/lists/78-greatest-nba-players-ever-hoopshype-list/
Jokic should be a lot close of above giannis. Extra MVP, same well-earned ring, etc.

[MickeyDavis]

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[chonestown]

The Bird Celtics probably had the greatest frontline of all time, as well as one of the great two-way PGs of all-time.

[raferfenix]

Did Dame dunk a lot more when he was younger?

His ability to take it to the rack and finish might not be tracked so easily.

I do think the team is missing an athlete on the wing that can run the open court. Seems like that's just not Gary Trent Jr.'s game.

[RiotPunch]

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Chipotle for lunch tomorrow, out of respect.

[Xanadu]

Kevin, us that you?!?

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Your posting an opinion amd not backing it with anything substantive proof backing it up Saying we lost title runs multiple times because of Giannis stubborn playstyle is just not true. Where are your numbers or at least some kind of argument based on what you see. People who seem to always bring up gaslighting always seem to be the most disconnected from reality. Giannis is far from perfect but saying the guy who is literally the only reason Mil has team is so silly. I have watched the Bucks since 2006.

I've watched the Bucks since 1970. Come up with substantive support for your attack or hold your tongue. What is it about basketball that you do not understand? but Charles Barclay gets? You've got two options: a) Giannis scores 75ppg and the Bucks never win another title; or b) Giannis plays a team game, involves all 4 Bucks on the floor opponents (SO THAT he 1) reduces physical wear-&-tear & is fresh for the Finals, 2) opponents don't know where or who the Offense is coming from, & no longer can game ONLY for Giannis (free up his offense even more))--and 3) WE WIN MORE TITLES. Numbers don't mean sh|t when refusal to involve all 5 guys costs you title after title. It's Basketball 101, and no one here can tell you they don't know what that looks like. Crashing into 4 opponents, passing to empty bleachers, losing your handles/TOs, clanking free throws. You can't put 3pt% on guys that haveta corral those 'passes'. Every player's human, and even though great players don't need to rise to Jordan dominance OR Bird team-play levels, it'd bring Milwaukee a few more Titles if He did.

I am not nor have ever said Giannis is perfect or impervious to criticism. He definitely has areas of his game that need refinement. But I don't want him to suddenly start trying to play a total different style. If he tried to play like Jokic it wouldn't look very good. His out of control barrel jnto 4 defenders style is kinda the reason he is incredible. How many other players in league history deman the attention of 4 defenders ever play to even slow them down. Giannis not only has this affect but oftentimes still using immense SKILL manages to score incredible efficient.
You say you have been watching since the 70s. If thats true I bet you are the type who complained about KAJ for not being a team guy. Probably called him selfish and immature. Because thats how you come off talking about Giannis like he the reason for our playoff failures in any form. I like how you act like he was just crashing into a four player wall as if he just ignored the open guys. You dont recall the almost 10 percent drop in 3pt shooting our role players experienced every year. They would get a pass without a defender in the zip code and brick it so much that Giannis attacking 1 vs 4 at the basket was way higher percentage shot. Stats back this up all you need to look at is team 3pt percentage. Your stats to say Giannis has been more responsible seem to be incredibly vague based on feelings maybe. This whole idea that Giannis is some kind AI or something offensively is so incredibly aff base it kinda silly. You honestly must be a troll or dont really watch. If either Bledsoe or Jrue had shot 35 percent from 3 the we have more rings imo. If any of our shooters besides Middleton didn't tank in the playoffs we have more rings. I just dont see how Giannis ability continue to attack in this situation is somehow bad because its technically not great plan to go 1 vs 4. Well if thats your point then duh. So do think, Giannis should of suddenly become different player? Like if he is so great why wasn't he able to completely change the style that has made him multiply mvp to something the other team wouldn't expect. Then that would of made our role players change somehow too. Because leadership thats why. I am perfectly willing to engage a rational debate about things Giannis should work on especially this coming season. Also if you have watched since 70s who is your favorite buck and why. Honestly just curious as fan who started paying attention in Kohl dog days.