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Pointgod wrote:
As much as we complain about our front office, they have nothing on the idiots in Chicago. My God this is the definition of dysfunction.
JB7 wrote:Indeed wrote:JB7 wrote:
I think Barnes, and the team, want to use him as an initiator for the offense. Whether in the post, or from the top of the key. So he needs cutters, and shooters.
With Pascal, in a good offense (championship year), he was just a cutter, and hit the open shot type player. Once Kawhi left, they tried to turn him into the initiator, and he just became an iso player, where the offense around him stagnated, because he would look to score first, and pass as a last resort.
What exactly is an initiator? And how does that not mesh for someone who can create? The evidence of Marc Gasol with Siakam works well.
As for Siakam, that is not true, his ball handling was much better at the same age and had a spin move in the post. As for the offense being stagnated, there was clearly no shooter that he can pass it to. Barnes was a shooter? Achiuwa was a shooter? Siakam has a pretty good assist ratio, so that is pretty non-sense and claim pass as a last resort, stats clearly says the opposite.
Pascal played the role of cutter in the offense when it was being initiated by Gasol, Kawhi or Kyle. All vets that he would defer too. Once they all left, Pascal's game shifted, and it became more about him getting his numbers to get paid, which required heavy ISO play. I will agree, that there were not a lot of other scoring options on the team for Pascal to find with the ball. But Pascal seemed to be pretty focused on the rim, once he went into his moves. And it is easy to generate assists when the ball is in your hands the overwhelming majority of the time.
Scase wrote:Pointgod wrote:
As much as we complain about our front office, they have nothing on the idiots in Chicago. My God this is the definition of dysfunction.
While I definitely wouldn't say they are nearly as bad as chicago, they do share a fare amount of similar tendencies. Aversion to tanking, constantly aiming for the middle, bandaid trades, trading picks to double down on a mid team. At least their traded picks have decent protections on them
Pointgod wrote:Scase wrote:Pointgod wrote:
As much as we complain about our front office, they have nothing on the idiots in Chicago. My God this is the definition of dysfunction.
While I definitely wouldn't say they are nearly as bad as chicago, they do share a fare amount of similar tendencies. Aversion to tanking, constantly aiming for the middle, bandaid trades, trading picks to double down on a mid team. At least their traded picks have decent protections on them
Chicago is such a comedy of errors. I admit I was in on the Vucevic trade, Ball acquisition and Derozan trade. I’m hindsight, they should have just protected that Vucevic pick that turned into Franz Wagner but after Lonzo went down they should have just pivoted. Everyone single person knew that maxing out Lavine with his injury history was a bad idea. Instead of blowing it up last season they’re going to once again try to limp into the playoffs.
Scase wrote:Pointgod wrote:Scase wrote:While I definitely wouldn't say they are nearly as bad as chicago, they do share a fare amount of similar tendencies. Aversion to tanking, constantly aiming for the middle, bandaid trades, trading picks to double down on a mid team. At least their traded picks have decent protections on them
Chicago is such a comedy of errors. I admit I was in on the Vucevic trade, Ball acquisition and Derozan trade. I’m hindsight, they should have just protected that Vucevic pick that turned into Franz Wagner but after Lonzo went down they should have just pivoted. Everyone single person knew that maxing out Lavine with his injury history was a bad idea. Instead of blowing it up last season they’re going to once again try to limp into the playoffs.
Yeah, I'm being a bit hyperbolic, cause we're definitely nowhere near their level of dysfunction, but from a success and bad moves standpoint the last few years, we're right up there with them.
Post chip we've only got 16 more wins, but if you ignore the run it back year they are ahead by 15 wins. We likely have a better immediate future, but one lucky-ish ping pong ball for them could completely flip that on its head.
