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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At? 

Post#2101 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Sep 13, 2024 4:03 am

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I posted these back in May. Towns had a 41.6 3P% last season.

41.6 … to Randle’s 31.1 ……… ouch.

41.6 vs 31.1

Hm.


Who cares. No one is looking at the Knicks roster and saying, "Damn, they should've jacked up more 3's". Knicks still made and attempted more 3's than the T-Wolves. You're not looking at Randle for his exterior work. It's the interior work and the play making that KAT doesn't have that makes this worthwhile.


They are also failng to take into account KAT is a second option on the Timberwolves, while Julius is the first option and teams literally have to gameplan against him.

Opposing teams know KAT just wants to chuck up 3 pointers all game because he's too weak to score below the free throw line, so they just let him chuck up 3 pointers.

Also, KAT commits some of the dumbest fouls and he does them in bunches.

let me introduce to you: Jalen Brunson.

Randle is a turnover waiting to happen, so of course they are game planning precisely for him.


BTW you’re preaching to the choir. Towns is a perfect second option: possibly the best floor spacer in the NBA shooting 41.6 3P% last season at 7‘0“, willing passer, won’t stop the ball, very good screener, exploits mismatches, can guard the very big players, unreal efficiency and shooting splits, top level rebounding at 10.8 rpg over his career. Nothing to complain about.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At? 

Post#2102 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 13, 2024 4:41 am

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Randle would’ve been All-NBA for a third time if he hadn’t gotten injured.

Anyhow this is a waste of time.

It's the off-season so we are finding creative ways to waste time. :lol:

As soon as the season begins no one will be thinking about KAT at all.

It's most likely that the Knicks do not trade for him and we all know that.

It’s that time of the year. Everyone is bored and acting like caged rats. Even Fat Kat is mad at me because I’m busting his ballz because the Jets blow dog dicks. And me and Fat Kat are like this!

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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At? 

Post#2103 » by R-DAWG » Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:35 am

If NY decides to move on from Randle, why not Nikola Vucevic as part of a larger 3 team trade. Vic would be a place holder on a short term, reasonable deal to replace Randles scoring.

The ideal construction of the trade would be Randle to team X, 2nd rd picks from team X to CHI, and Vuc and a first from team X to NY.
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Post#2104 » by Wildcat » Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:01 pm

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Who cares. No one is looking at the Knicks roster and saying, "Damn, they should've jacked up more 3's". Knicks still made and attempted more 3's than the T-Wolves. You're not looking at Randle for his exterior work. It's the interior work and the play making that KAT doesn't have that makes this worthwhile.


They are also failng to take into account KAT is a second option on the Timberwolves, while Julius is the first option and teams literally have to gameplan against him.

Opposing teams know KAT just wants to chuck up 3 pointers all game because he's too weak to score below the free throw line, so they just let him chuck up 3 pointers.

Also, KAT commits some of the dumbest fouls and he does them in bunches.

let me introduce to you: Jalen Brunson.

Randle is a turnover waiting to happen, so of course they are game planning precisely for him.

BTW you’re preaching to the choir. Towns is a perfect second option: possibly the best floor spacer in the NBA shooting 41.6 3P% last season at 7‘0“, willing passer, won’t stop the ball, very good screener, exploits mismatches, can guard the very big players, unreal efficiency and shooting splits, top level rebounding at 10.8 rpg over his career. Nothing to complain about.


I think you're misinterpreting.

Having Randle means JB isn't getting doubled at the half court line. If KAT's shot isn't falling, he isn't contributing in other areas aside from defensive rebounds that generally carry over to him. And having your 60 million dollar player be your 2nd option for jumpers is putrid. I honestly feel like people just watch highlight reels and don't watch T-Wolves game. I had the pleasure of watching more than a handful of T-Wolve games over the years.

And, let me know point out something that I think only a handful of people noticed, the "aggravators" on this alleged fit with JB and Randle are notable fans of a specific team. Want to guess who they are? Simmons and Lowe, i.e., Boston fans. They want a KAT trade to go down because it weakens the Knicks. Randle is far more versatile than KAT and requires a legitimate gameplan around him. I have no idea how you spun having 2 players that require double teaming that into a negative. A player like KAT plays into their defensive strength. You know how pissed off this fanbase would be when Derrick freakin' White or Jrue mother-freakin' Holiday shuts down KAT? Because that's going to happen. Hell, we seen it when KP was on this team when he was being locked down by Smart.

Just look at the 2 games KAT played against this current version of Boston. 11-27 FG, 3-17 3FG, 9 assist, 8 turnovers, and fouled out both games with a TS% of 48.65 since everyone loves to follow that stat. This version of the Knicks haven't played against Boston (OG, not Bridges), so I don't think it's a fair comparisons, but I'll throw these stats out anyway. Randle's numbers against this version of Boston were 14-34 FG, 5-12 3FG, 8 assist, 9 turnovers, and didn't foul out with a TS% of 56.05. While I find the TS% difference hilarious because that seems to be KAT desirers talking point, the numbers overall are not significantly better or worse. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say with OG on this team, those numbers are better.

I are we even calling a 3 Assist to 2.9 Turnovers a willing passer in KAT. At times, this dude is incredibly careless with the ball. I can't see anybody looking at Randle's 5.0 Assist to 3.5 Turnovers a negative. High risk, high rewards and it -- according to these numbers -- seems to be working.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At? 

Post#2105 » by Wildcat » Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:14 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
I posted these back in May. Towns had a 41.6 3P% last season.

41.6 … to Randle’s 31.1 ……… ouch.

41.6 vs 31.1

Hm.


Who cares. No one is looking at the Knicks roster and saying, "Damn, they should've jacked up more 3's". Knicks still made and attempted more 3's than the T-Wolves. You're not looking at Randle for his exterior work. It's the interior work and the play making that KAT doesn't have that makes this worthwhile.

I’m looking at Randle on the exterior because he lacks awareness, shooting AND falls for every trap, while on the interior he turns the ball over dribbling recklessly into traffic and doesn’t really get to his spots often enough.

I’m looking at the Knicks roster after the OG trade and they went 12-2 (86%) with Randle and 8-1 (89%) without Randle. Did not miss a single beat.


High risk, high rewards. KAT dribbles off his foot regularly. The same thing you criticize Randle for KAT does on a regular basis. It's one of the reason why he was benched in his 60 point game.

Not sure on what you consider "miss a beat" when the Knicks were 29-17, PPG 115.4, PPG Diff 5.6 with Randle, then 21-15, 109.4 PPG, PGG Diff 2.5 without Randle.

I'm not sure where this 8-1 thing is being pulled from. I think you're talking about when they went 8-2 without OG and Randle? Because that stretch JB and Josh was playing out of his minds.
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Post#2106 » by Wildcat » Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:40 pm

R-DAWG wrote:If NY decides to move on from Randle, why not Nikola Vucevic as part of a larger 3 team trade. Vic would be a place holder on a short term, reasonable deal to replace Randles scoring.

The ideal construction of the trade would be Randle to team X, 2nd rd picks from team X to CHI, and Vuc and a first from team X to NY.


If this team is built to win now, I don't see how a place holder like an older Vucevic is the answer. I like him, but he's never played winning basketball. I would prefer him with Randle, honestly. But again, I do like him. He's an upgraded I-Hart. I have no idea how a 3-team deal would look like.
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Post#2107 » by Iron Mantis » Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:01 pm

Wildcat wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
Who cares. No one is looking at the Knicks roster and saying, "Damn, they should've jacked up more 3's". Knicks still made and attempted more 3's than the T-Wolves. You're not looking at Randle for his exterior work. It's the interior work and the play making that KAT doesn't have that makes this worthwhile.

I’m looking at Randle on the exterior because he lacks awareness, shooting AND falls for every trap, while on the interior he turns the ball over dribbling recklessly into traffic and doesn’t really get to his spots often enough.

I’m looking at the Knicks roster after the OG trade and they went 12-2 (86%) with Randle and 8-1 (89%) without Randle. Did not miss a single beat.


High risk, high rewards. KAT dribbles off his foot regularly. The same thing you criticize Randle for KAT does on a regular basis. It's one of the reason why he was benched in his 60 point game.

Not sure on what you consider "miss a beat" when the Knicks were 29-17, PPG 115.4, PPG Diff 5.6 with Randle, then 21-15, 109.4 PPG, PGG Diff 2.5 without Randle.

I'm not sure where this 8-1 thing is being pulled from
. I think you're talking about when they went 8-2 without OG and Randle? Because that stretch JB and Josh was playing out of his minds.

Randle was injured, but OG came back and played nine games during the regular season.
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Post#2108 » by Iron Mantis » Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:30 pm

The playoffs really showed how important OG is when ish gets real.

6-2 with him... Only 2 losses were against the Sixers (who were actually contenders)

We were on our way to sweeping Indiana until OG got hurt. Ripped off the first 2 game's with OG then the Knicks went 1-4 without him.

Randle is very important to this team, but OG much, much more.
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Post#2109 » by Fury » Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:35 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:The playoffs really showed how important OG is when ish gets real.

6-2 with him... Only 2 losses were against the Sixers (who were actually contenders)

We were on our way to sweeping Indiana until OG got hurt. Ripped off the first 2 game's with OG then the Knicks went 1-4 without him.

Randle is very important to this team, but OG much, much more.


The best part of this is that we have both
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Post#2110 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:58 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:It's the off-season so we are finding creative ways to waste time. :lol:

As soon as the season begins no one will be thinking about KAT at all.

It's most likely that the Knicks do not trade for him and we all know that.

It’s that time of the year. Everyone is bored and acting like caged rats. Even Fat Kat is mad at me because I’m busting his ballz because the Jets blow dog dicks. And me and Fat Kat are like this!

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Post#2111 » by Wildcat » Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:05 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:The playoffs really showed how important OG is when ish gets real.

6-2 with him... Only 2 losses were against the Sixers (who were actually contenders)

We were on our way to sweeping Indiana until OG got hurt. Ripped off the first 2 game's with OG then the Knicks went 1-4 without him.

Randle is very important to this team, but OG much, much more.


Like Fury said, the Knicks have both.

After the Miami series and before it came to light that the ankle was right, I wanted to get rid of Randle. But then he said something about what he did in the offseason that changed my perception of him. Him saying that he was studying film while on the mend and the self-criticism just flipped the switch for me. And it wasn't just talk. Although the Knicks still had the clunkiness with Mitch, himself, and RJ in the front court, he was playing more team orientin. He roughly averaged 1-2 more assists PG in the pre-OG era. I think that number gets even better with this current squad.
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Post#2112 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:21 pm

I agree replacing that malcontent RJ with OG has turned the Knicks into contenders. No doubt about it.
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Post#2113 » by TheGreenArrow » Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:56 pm

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Post#2115 » by TheGreenArrow » Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:04 pm

According to begley Juluis was hurt about the jersey situation……..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“The frustration he recently expressed on social media was genuine. But it was a reaction to the false idea that the team wasn’t selling his jersey at Madison Square Garden).
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Post#2116 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:10 pm

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Coming off the bench is probably the best move for him, between that and playing the 5. I think Hart/OG at the 3 and 4 in the playoffs gave the Knicks coaching staff orgasms cause defensively it was everywhere and there was no drop off in rebounding because of Hart. Add Bridges to the mix and you now have team that can switch on pretty much every perimeter matchup outside of Brunson. If the game calls for more offense, close with Randle, but as it stands there's just no way he's going to be able to defend on par with the 3 wings.
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Post#2117 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:11 pm

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Post#2118 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:13 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:I agree replacing that malcontent RJ with OG has turned the Knicks into contenders. No doubt about it.

True. Nobody misses IQ either. They are still good players, not malcontents. Just like with Randle and Towns, more than one player can be good. Just like OG over those, I’ll still choose Towns over Randle as a fit here and as the better player. I do like Randle more.

Doesn’t matter it’s not happening. Fair enough.
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Post#2119 » by Iron Mantis » Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:15 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:According to begley Juluis was hurt about the jersey situation……..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“The frustration he recently expressed on social media was genuine. But it was a reaction to the false idea that the team wasn’t selling his jersey at Madison Square Garden).

He's been here for how many years and he still doesn't realize that Knicks fans and media are completely crazy?

Randle needs to just cut social media out of his life as long as he's a Knick. Ignore it altogether and just charge it to the game.
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Post#2120 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:15 pm

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Coming off the bench is probably the best move for him, between that and playing the 5. I think Hart/OG at the 3 and 4 in the playoffs gave the Knicks coaching staff orgasms cause defensively it was everywhere and there was no drop off in rebounding because of Hart. Add Bridges to the mix and you now have team that can switch on pretty much every perimeter matchup outside of Brunson. If the game calls for more offense, close with Randle, but as it stands there's just no way he's going to be able to defend on par with the 3 wings.

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