The Brock Purdy Thread

[Pattersonca65]

Giving Purdy a bag would be incredibly stupid. As soon as he loses a few of these weapons or Trent the defense will be able to pin their ears back and all of those risky passes purdy throws will become ints instead of dropped ints.

This is just incredibly stupid

[Pattersonca65]

They will pay him, they have no choice.

They're planning on a 2 or 3 year window before they have to cut way back on the cap.

Next season they will still have a lot of high salary players on the roster so they can't rebuild. They have to go all-in while they owe all that big money to the star players on the team.

For the same reason the Cowboys gave Dak an almost-fully guaranteed contract, because they weren't going to not pay Lamb or not pay Parsons next season, they had to pay Dak. What were they going to do, let a backup start next year or any rookie they may draft next year?

Same reason, the 49ers aren't going to hand the keys to the backups on the roster.

Barring some big trade for another QB, Purdy is going to be extended

Why can't the 9ers hand the keys to a backup? That's what they did with both Jimmy and Purdy and it worked out pretty well both times. It worked because they weren't playing with a depleted roster, which is what will happen if they pay Purdy.

Expecting to get to a super bowl again with 150 passing yards is wishful thinking

[WentzerWuver]

They will pay him, they have no choice.

They're planning on a 2 or 3 year window before they have to cut way back on the cap.

Next season they will still have a lot of high salary players on the roster so they can't rebuild. They have to go all-in while they owe all that big money to the star players on the team.

For the same reason the Cowboys gave Dak an almost-fully guaranteed contract, because they weren't going to not pay Lamb or not pay Parsons next season, they had to pay Dak. What were they going to do, let a backup start next year or any rookie they may draft next year?

Same reason, the 49ers aren't going to hand the keys to the backups on the roster.

Barring some big trade for another QB, Purdy is going to be extended

On the Dak front, he was GOING to play off his last season regardless if Dallas paid him at the last minute before the season begins or not. He wasn't planning on holding out like most QB, so the best course of action was to let Dak play out this season and pay him after he chokes in the playoffs again or let him walk. I think the Cowboys will regret this decision cause at least he will be highly motivated to play for a big contract and now his contract is secure whether he chokes or not. His contract at the end of the season will be the same unless you really think there will be a bidding war for his services that will go beyond what he just gotten with so much guaranteed money that they are now stuck with him for better or worse. Dobbs played much better than Dak when they faced each other last season at 2.6 million.

https://youtu.be/tVnj5eGilR4?si=eXkQ1tl4hPSD155I

And for Purdy, why don't they have a choice? You either keep the team intact with a game manager, or you give the QB his bag. Those are two viable choices the team will decide upon. Since you have your rose petals glasses on like others on here, you think they have no other choice but to pay your idol his Gucci bag.

[CrimsonCrew]

Wow you really are trying hard to justify paying Purdy his 60 mil per bag along with those who are in the same camp as you if he repeat what he did last season with these points while ignoring my earlier point that you will lose Deebo and another playmaker plus key inpact players on the defensive side cause the 49ers CANNOT pay record contracts to so many players. They were only able to do so due to Purdy's current salary.

Now from the other post i read from you, you are willing to lose those other players with the assumption that Purdy can still win without a loaded roster. If that is true, why did Purdy struggled so much during all 3 preseason games with mostly 2nd/3rd string players facing the opponents 2nd/3rd string players? Let me guess, Purdy was not in football shape or some other excuses, so that doesn't count...is that it? If so, why don't the other elite level QB struggled during their preseason games with 2nd/3rd string players even if only given a few drives before being pulled? Even Dobbs played better than Purdy during this preseason with the same units. Well, maybe Purdy can only be elite with a star studded roster. There are many QB who can take fully loaded roster to the SB and you don’t even need to be elite but be a game manager like JimmyG. Even the Ravens won the SB easily with a washed-up former 49ers game manager at the helm.

All I am pointing out is that I MUCH prefer to have a game manager on a rookie scale contract with this current star studded roster to reach the SB than hoping Purdy will not struggle like he did during preseason cause they lose key players just to pay him his bag. If you swap Purdy for Bryce, the 49ers will still play at a high level, possibly even better with Bryce cause it be like Bama all over again for him while Purdy would struggle with that garbage roster in Carolina, similar to his struggles in preseason and you know it. This is why I am willing to hand the golden keys to Dobbs with this loaded roster going forward cause all he needs to be is a game manager. If Alex Smith can learn to become one, so can he and he's smart enough to be able to play that role. The smart and wise option based on past history is that once you are able to contruct a super team like the 49ers has done with smart drafting and trades - don't *** it up, just so you can pay a QB the bag otherwise you haven't learned anything from a guy named Brady. Oh, he did lose to a backup named Foles. Could our backup be the next Foles?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/news/why-brock-purdy-49ers-offense-struggled-against-saints-insider/d9e16bd056d5c70f81110231

https://youtu.be/7KqD3MNwBMQ?si=XQj-i6nfAd_hSFb-

https://youtu.be/vomG9v5nOtg?si=PjY8WjguinUBVpsj

If I am wrong, at least I won't get stuck with a vastly overpaid QB who can only succeed with a roster loaded with record-breaking contracts as currently constructed now. You can only know I might be right once you take off your rose petals Purdy glasses.

Where to begin?

You talk about my rose colored glasses. What have I said about Purdy that is wrong? In terms of my assessment of him. The discussion of whether to pay him or not is separate, but I made my view on him very plain just above in this thread, and I don't see you disputing any of my points about his strengths and weaknesses.

I'm not trying to justify $60 million for Purdy. I'd love to pay him less, but I don't think that's realistic. So the choice is between paying Purdy or coming up with a viable alternative.

Your Josh Dobbs plan is frankly dumb, for the reasons I've stated at length. Dobbs is a stopgap. You hope he can keep you competitive in a couple games. But it's asking an awful lot of him to lead a competitive team for a season and beyond. Again, he's never shown a hint of that ability to date. He hasn't shown that he's a game manager. On the contrary, he's been an improvisational player who makes plays with his legs and by extending plays as much (or really more) than with his vision and understanding of the offense. And there may be reasons for that given his short tenure most places (though again, Pittsburgh twice chose Mason Rudolph over him), but we have not seen him lead an offense in an efficient manner to date.

I'm not really sure why you're bringing up Bryce Young. Did I miss him somehow becoming available? Are we likely to be able to get a guy who is talented enough to be the first overall pick in a draft?

Could we bring in a rookie and roll with that? I mean, I guess. But most rookies don't play the way Purdy did. Most rookies - especially later-round picks - struggle a lot. I expect this team to take some personnel hits next year given all the FAs and aging players, but I still expect us to be in the hunt. I wouldn't trust that team to a rookie.

So do we bring in an inexpensive backup or former bust, a la Darnold last year, or maybe we look into a Mac Jones, etc.? Again, we could, but that's letting a lot ride on an unproven commodity. You asked in another post if maybe Kyle isn't a QB guru. I think there's a strong argument he's not. He definitely has a QB-friendly system, but it's not like any player turns to gold. Beathard was downright bad. Mullens had some similarities to Purdy and put up impressive passing stats, but he threw (and has continued to throw) INTs at an incredibly high rate that makes him untenable as a starting QB. Clearly Lance didn't work out.

So you're left with two good players who were more or less developed by Shanahan: Jimmy and Purdy. Jimmy gets an awful rap, and some of it merited, but he was generally good at reading the middle of the field (except that darn lurking LB once or twice a game) and he got the ball out quickly, accurately, and in rhythm. He had too many limitations to become what Purdy is now, but at least he could move the offense relatively efficiently. That said, he didn't improve and arguably got worse the longer he was with the Niners (though his final season was arguably his best before the injury). I'm not sure how much we can credit Shanahan for Purdy given how good Purdy looked from day one. Again, the system definitely plays a part, but Purdy seems to have brought the tools that have allowed him to really take advantage of the system.

So again, we're back to this question of whether to pay Purdy or not. I happen to think we can expect Purdy to continue to improve. He's still in the learning phase of his NFL career. Brady was not this good entering year three. Brees certainly wasn't. Peyton might have been, but you're talking a generational player there (Brady would eventually pass him, but Peyton enjoyed earlier individual success). There's really no reason to think that Purdy will get worse as an individual, even if his statistical performance declines. For context, this past season, Mahomes had his second-highest yards total, worst TD %, worst INT %, and worst sack %, but I don't think anyone would argue he was a worse player.

I have little doubt that Purdy would struggle at times if he loses Trent, Deebo, and Kittle, and plays opposite a less dominant defense. But I still think he'll play well.

This post has gotten very long, so I'll address some of your other points in another one.

[Big J]

They will pay him, they have no choice.

They're planning on a 2 or 3 year window before they have to cut way back on the cap.

Next season they will still have a lot of high salary players on the roster so they can't rebuild. They have to go all-in while they owe all that big money to the star players on the team.

For the same reason the Cowboys gave Dak an almost-fully guaranteed contract, because they weren't going to not pay Lamb or not pay Parsons next season, they had to pay Dak. What were they going to do, let a backup start next year or any rookie they may draft next year?

Same reason, the 49ers aren't going to hand the keys to the backups on the roster.

Barring some big trade for another QB, Purdy is going to be extended

Why can't the 9ers hand the keys to a backup? That's what they did with both Jimmy and Purdy and it worked out pretty well both times. It worked because they weren't playing with a depleted roster, which is what will happen if they pay Purdy.

Expecting to get to a super bowl again with 150 passing yards is wishful thinking

Give Kyle any average QB and he'll make him look like a star.

[Pattersonca65]

Why can't the 9ers hand the keys to a backup? That's what they did with both Jimmy and Purdy and it worked out pretty well both times. It worked because they weren't playing with a depleted roster, which is what will happen if they pay Purdy.

Expecting to get to a super bowl again with 150 passing yards is wishful thinking

Give Kyle any average QB and he'll make him look like a star.

You have already been proven wrong.

[CrimsonCrew]

Intelligence and the ability to process information are two separate things that usually get intertwined when discussing QBs.

Almost every QB if you put a whiteboard in front of them they can accurately tell you the play, what the defense is doing, and where the ball should go. You do the same thing but put a gun to their head and tell them they have two seconds to tell you where the ball should go or you'll pull the trigger it becomes a totally different story if they could give you the correct answer or not.

The ability to process information in a pressure situation is probably one of the hardest things teams can test and it's why I think you have so many busts at QB because in my opinion at least the degree to which a QB can process information impacts how successful they'll be.

It's also why Purdy slipped to being the last pick in the draft because teams haven't figured out a way to judge a guy's ability to process information in pressure situations.

You don't even have to be smart to excel at being able to process information either and usually we call those players instinctual or have a feel for the position.

It's why I have faith Purdy can maintain a high level of play because his ability to process information is elite and he might be the best in the league at it or at least in that conversation. Add that to the fact he's extremely accurate and has strong intangibles it's usually a recipe for sustained success.

So why did Purdy struggle so much during the preseason then?

Also many QB can and has gotten hurt during the season. If Purdy gets hurt, not only do you lose him but also those key players you lost just to be able pay the 60 mil per bag. Still I have no problem paying Purdy his bag as long as I am able to keep this star studded roster intact during the critical 3 year window of opportunity, but that is not possible and I am not willing to lose key players over it, not even Deebo.

https://youtube.com/shorts/FHmueNYvqKA?si=L-3xDzXf4kkYTmHZ

Undrafted Jake Delhomme led the Panthers to the SB and never got his bag but a 2 year 12.5 mil contract. Is Purdy's 60 mil per year better?

Okay, turning to this.

Are we seriously looking at Purdy's performance in the preseason? Who cares? Preseason evaluations are somewhat valuable to evaluate back-of-the-roster players. It's not the time to evaluate an established QB. Shanahan himself puts almost no stock in preseason games, and if it were up to him, he probably wouldn't have put Purdy out there at all.

Purdy got out there (because he asked to) to get a taste of live action before the games count, but that experience is so far from an actual NFL start that it's barely comparable for a QB. There is no game planning. There is no film study. It's a glorified practice.

I'm starting to think you don't understand what goes into playing QB at a high level in the NFL. These guys don't just trot out there and play pickup ball with a bunch of guys on Sunday (well, maybe Murray does). They spend dozens of hours every week implementing game plans designed by creative offensive minds. The players and coaches consume tons of film each week looking for tendencies and things to exploit. And that appears to be a big part of what makes Purdy good. He gets it. He understands the offense. He knows his cues and can see guys who are NFL open (i.e., not open yet, but about to be). MANY players cannot do that after a decade in the league. He can see things and make decisions extremely quickly for such a young player.

Is he always right? Of course not. Will he occasionally panic and make awful plays? Of course. So does everyone. You catch that Eagles-Packers game last week? Hell, Mahomes is good for several head-scratching plays every year, including his INT in the super bowl. But Purdy checks a lot of boxes when implementing Shanahan's game plan.

That doesn't mean I don't still have questions. In the two weather games he's played, Purdy struggled in both. He has had games against higher levels of competition where he was bad. He struggled almost the entire game against Cleveland (one of the weather games), though he put us in FG range to win at the end. He was pretty bad against Cincy and Baltimore. But in a QB-driven league, I'd be really reluctant to let a guy like Purdy walk. I think he can play at a high level for 15 more years.

[CrimsonCrew]

Finally (for now anyway), in terms of losing guys, we're going to lose guys regardless. Trent is 36. Juice is 33. Floyd is 32. Hargrave is 31. Kittle is 30. Deebo is 28 and plays more like a RB than a WR. Ward is 28. McCaffrey is 28 and a RB. These guys all have a shelf life of one to three years, probably. The window is open now, and they should try to maximize it with Purdy rather than turning over the most important position in professional sports to Josh Dobbs.

[Harry Palmer]

Purdy was reportedly terrible at last year’s training camp/preseason too. It didn’t mean anything.

[CrimsonCrew]

They will pay him, they have no choice.

They're planning on a 2 or 3 year window before they have to cut way back on the cap.

Next season they will still have a lot of high salary players on the roster so they can't rebuild. They have to go all-in while they owe all that big money to the star players on the team.

For the same reason the Cowboys gave Dak an almost-fully guaranteed contract, because they weren't going to not pay Lamb or not pay Parsons next season, they had to pay Dak. What were they going to do, let a backup start next year or any rookie they may draft next year?

Same reason, the 49ers aren't going to hand the keys to the backups on the roster.

Barring some big trade for another QB, Purdy is going to be extended

On the Dak front, he was GOING to play off his last season regardless if Dallas paid him at the last minute before the season begins or not. He wasn't planning on holding out like most QB, so the best course of action was to let Dak play out this season and pay him after he chokes in the playoffs again or let him walk. I think the Cowboys will regret this decision cause at least he will be highly motivated to play for a big contract and now his contract is secure whether he chokes or not. His contract at the end of the season will be the same unless you really think there will be a bidding war for his services that will go beyond what he just gotten with so much guaranteed money that they are now stuck with him for better or worse. Dobbs played much better than Dak when they faced each other last season at 2.6 million.

https://youtu.be/tVnj5eGilR4?si=eXkQ1tl4hPSD155I

And for Purdy, why don't they have a choice? You either keep the team intact with a game manager, or you give the QB his bag. Those are two viable choices the team will decide upon. Since you have your rose petals glasses on like others on here, you think they have no other choice but to pay your idol his Gucci bag.

Purdy will hold out if he doesn't get a satisfactory contract. He's scheduled to make like $1.1 million. It barely costs him anything to hold out, and he'd be crazy to risk injury to play for $65K a game. As I said above, his ridiculous salary this year will hopefully allow us to give him an extension that looks big on paper, but will actually be fairly manageable for a few years.

[Big J]

Intelligence and the ability to process information are two separate things that usually get intertwined when discussing QBs.

Almost every QB if you put a whiteboard in front of them they can accurately tell you the play, what the defense is doing, and where the ball should go. You do the same thing but put a gun to their head and tell them they have two seconds to tell you where the ball should go or you'll pull the trigger it becomes a totally different story if they could give you the correct answer or not.

The ability to process information in a pressure situation is probably one of the hardest things teams can test and it's why I think you have so many busts at QB because in my opinion at least the degree to which a QB can process information impacts how successful they'll be.

It's also why Purdy slipped to being the last pick in the draft because teams haven't figured out a way to judge a guy's ability to process information in pressure situations.

You don't even have to be smart to excel at being able to process information either and usually we call those players instinctual or have a feel for the position.

It's why I have faith Purdy can maintain a high level of play because his ability to process information is elite and he might be the best in the league at it or at least in that conversation. Add that to the fact he's extremely accurate and has strong intangibles it's usually a recipe for sustained success.

So why did Purdy struggle so much during the preseason then?

Also many QB can and has gotten hurt during the season. If Purdy gets hurt, not only do you lose him but also those key players you lost just to be able pay the 60 mil per bag. Still I have no problem paying Purdy his bag as long as I am able to keep this star studded roster intact during the critical 3 year window of opportunity, but that is not possible and I am not willing to lose key players over it, not even Deebo.

https://youtube.com/shorts/FHmueNYvqKA?si=L-3xDzXf4kkYTmHZ

Undrafted Jake Delhomme led the Panthers to the SB and never got his bag but a 2 year 12.5 mil contract. Is Purdy's 60 mil per year better?

Okay, turning to this.

Are we seriously looking at Purdy's performance in the preseason? Who cares? Preseason evaluations are somewhat valuable to evaluate back-of-the-roster players. It's not the time to evaluate an established QB. Shanahan himself puts almost no stock in preseason games, and if it were up to him, he probably wouldn't have put Purdy out there at all.

Purdy got out there (because he asked to) to get a taste of live action before the games count, but that experience is so far from an actual NFL start that it's barely comparable for a QB. There is no game planning. There is no film study. It's a glorified practice.

I'm starting to think you don't understand what goes into playing QB at a high level in the NFL. These guys don't just trot out there and play pickup ball with a bunch of guys on Sunday (well, maybe Murray does). They spend dozens of hours every week implementing game plans designed by creative offensive minds. The players and coaches consume tons of film each week looking for tendencies and things to exploit. And that appears to be a big part of what makes Purdy good. He gets it. He understands the offense. He knows his cues and can see guys who are NFL open (i.e., not open yet, but about to be). MANY players cannot do that after a decade in the league. He can see things and make decisions extremely quickly for such a young player.

Is he always right? Of course not. Will he occasionally panic and make awful plays? Of course. So does everyone. You catch that Eagles-Packers game last week? Hell, Mahomes is good for several head-scratching plays every year, including his INT in the super bowl. But Purdy checks a lot of boxes when implementing Shanahan's game plan.

That doesn't mean I don't still have questions. In the two weather games he's played, Purdy struggled in both. He has had games against higher levels of competition where he was bad. He struggled almost the entire game against Cleveland (one of the weather games), though he put us in FG range to win at the end. He was pretty bad against Cincy and Baltimore. But in a QB-driven league, I'd be really reluctant to let a guy like Purdy walk. I think he can play at a high level for 15 more years.

Preseason doesn't matter when it's Purdy, but when it's Lance we make sweeping conclusions about him.

[CrimsonCrew]

So why did Purdy struggle so much during the preseason then?

Also many QB can and has gotten hurt during the season. If Purdy gets hurt, not only do you lose him but also those key players you lost just to be able pay the 60 mil per bag. Still I have no problem paying Purdy his bag as long as I am able to keep this star studded roster intact during the critical 3 year window of opportunity, but that is not possible and I am not willing to lose key players over it, not even Deebo.

https://youtube.com/shorts/FHmueNYvqKA?si=L-3xDzXf4kkYTmHZ

Undrafted Jake Delhomme led the Panthers to the SB and never got his bag but a 2 year 12.5 mil contract. Is Purdy's 60 mil per year better?

Okay, turning to this.

Are we seriously looking at Purdy's performance in the preseason? Who cares? Preseason evaluations are somewhat valuable to evaluate back-of-the-roster players. It's not the time to evaluate an established QB. Shanahan himself puts almost no stock in preseason games, and if it were up to him, he probably wouldn't have put Purdy out there at all.

Purdy got out there (because he asked to) to get a taste of live action before the games count, but that experience is so far from an actual NFL start that it's barely comparable for a QB. There is no game planning. There is no film study. It's a glorified practice.

I'm starting to think you don't understand what goes into playing QB at a high level in the NFL. These guys don't just trot out there and play pickup ball with a bunch of guys on Sunday (well, maybe Murray does). They spend dozens of hours every week implementing game plans designed by creative offensive minds. The players and coaches consume tons of film each week looking for tendencies and things to exploit. And that appears to be a big part of what makes Purdy good. He gets it. He understands the offense. He knows his cues and can see guys who are NFL open (i.e., not open yet, but about to be). MANY players cannot do that after a decade in the league. He can see things and make decisions extremely quickly for such a young player.

Is he always right? Of course not. Will he occasionally panic and make awful plays? Of course. So does everyone. You catch that Eagles-Packers game last week? Hell, Mahomes is good for several head-scratching plays every year, including his INT in the super bowl. But Purdy checks a lot of boxes when implementing Shanahan's game plan.

That doesn't mean I don't still have questions. In the two weather games he's played, Purdy struggled in both. He has had games against higher levels of competition where he was bad. He struggled almost the entire game against Cleveland (one of the weather games), though he put us in FG range to win at the end. He was pretty bad against Cincy and Baltimore. But in a QB-driven league, I'd be really reluctant to let a guy like Purdy walk. I think he can play at a high level for 15 more years.

Preseason doesn't matter when it's Purdy, but when it's Lance we make sweeping conclusions about him.

I feel like we've been through this. Preseason doesn't matter for a guy who has played in live NFL games at an MVP level, is 22-5 as a starter (including playoffs but excluding the Eagles game), has four playoff wins and a SB appearance in which he played well. It certainly matters - to an extent - for a guy who has never looked good in a live NFL game. Even in the preseason games in which his stat line looks bad, Purdy is generally making the right reads, getting the ball out on time and in rhythm. Lance...is not.

Lance just doesn't see it. He's the antithesis of Purdy right now. He doesn't understand the goal of the offense on a given play. He doesn't consistently recognize the defense pre-snap. He really struggles to go through progressions. Once the defensive players start moving, he looks absolutely lost if his first read isn't there. For that guy, preseason struggles are telling us something. That's particularly true because his play in actual games tells the same story.

[Pattersonca65]

So why did Purdy struggle so much during the preseason then?

Also many QB can and has gotten hurt during the season. If Purdy gets hurt, not only do you lose him but also those key players you lost just to be able pay the 60 mil per bag. Still I have no problem paying Purdy his bag as long as I am able to keep this star studded roster intact during the critical 3 year window of opportunity, but that is not possible and I am not willing to lose key players over it, not even Deebo.

https://youtube.com/shorts/FHmueNYvqKA?si=L-3xDzXf4kkYTmHZ

Undrafted Jake Delhomme led the Panthers to the SB and never got his bag but a 2 year 12.5 mil contract. Is Purdy's 60 mil per year better?

Okay, turning to this.

Are we seriously looking at Purdy's performance in the preseason? Who cares? Preseason evaluations are somewhat valuable to evaluate back-of-the-roster players. It's not the time to evaluate an established QB. Shanahan himself puts almost no stock in preseason games, and if it were up to him, he probably wouldn't have put Purdy out there at all.

Purdy got out there (because he asked to) to get a taste of live action before the games count, but that experience is so far from an actual NFL start that it's barely comparable for a QB. There is no game planning. There is no film study. It's a glorified practice.

I'm starting to think you don't understand what goes into playing QB at a high level in the NFL. These guys don't just trot out there and play pickup ball with a bunch of guys on Sunday (well, maybe Murray does). They spend dozens of hours every week implementing game plans designed by creative offensive minds. The players and coaches consume tons of film each week looking for tendencies and things to exploit. And that appears to be a big part of what makes Purdy good. He gets it. He understands the offense. He knows his cues and can see guys who are NFL open (i.e., not open yet, but about to be). MANY players cannot do that after a decade in the league. He can see things and make decisions extremely quickly for such a young player.

Is he always right? Of course not. Will he occasionally panic and make awful plays? Of course. So does everyone. You catch that Eagles-Packers game last week? Hell, Mahomes is good for several head-scratching plays every year, including his INT in the super bowl. But Purdy checks a lot of boxes when implementing Shanahan's game plan.

That doesn't mean I don't still have questions. In the two weather games he's played, Purdy struggled in both. He has had games against higher levels of competition where he was bad. He struggled almost the entire game against Cleveland (one of the weather games), though he put us in FG range to win at the end. He was pretty bad against Cincy and Baltimore. But in a QB-driven league, I'd be really reluctant to let a guy like Purdy walk. I think he can play at a high level for 15 more years.

Preseason doesn't matter when it's Purdy, but when it's Lance we make sweeping conclusions about him.

LOL. This has been explained to you so many times. Crims explained it in his latest post which spells it out. Lance played a ton this preseason in Dallas to try and win the second string job. Purdy hardly played and Shanahan let him come in just to get a few live reps before the season started. Lance was so bad in Dallas he lost the second string job again on another team. Now many Dallas fans are complaining about the 4th round pick they blew on Lance

[Pattersonca65]

Okay, turning to this.

Are we seriously looking at Purdy's performance in the preseason? Who cares? Preseason evaluations are somewhat valuable to evaluate back-of-the-roster players. It's not the time to evaluate an established QB. Shanahan himself puts almost no stock in preseason games, and if it were up to him, he probably wouldn't have put Purdy out there at all.

Purdy got out there (because he asked to) to get a taste of live action before the games count, but that experience is so far from an actual NFL start that it's barely comparable for a QB. There is no game planning. There is no film study. It's a glorified practice.

I'm starting to think you don't understand what goes into playing QB at a high level in the NFL. These guys don't just trot out there and play pickup ball with a bunch of guys on Sunday (well, maybe Murray does). They spend dozens of hours every week implementing game plans designed by creative offensive minds. The players and coaches consume tons of film each week looking for tendencies and things to exploit. And that appears to be a big part of what makes Purdy good. He gets it. He understands the offense. He knows his cues and can see guys who are NFL open (i.e., not open yet, but about to be). MANY players cannot do that after a decade in the league. He can see things and make decisions extremely quickly for such a young player.

Is he always right? Of course not. Will he occasionally panic and make awful plays? Of course. So does everyone. You catch that Eagles-Packers game last week? Hell, Mahomes is good for several head-scratching plays every year, including his INT in the super bowl. But Purdy checks a lot of boxes when implementing Shanahan's game plan.

That doesn't mean I don't still have questions. In the two weather games he's played, Purdy struggled in both. He has had games against higher levels of competition where he was bad. He struggled almost the entire game against Cleveland (one of the weather games), though he put us in FG range to win at the end. He was pretty bad against Cincy and Baltimore. But in a QB-driven league, I'd be really reluctant to let a guy like Purdy walk. I think he can play at a high level for 15 more years.

Preseason doesn't matter when it's Purdy, but when it's Lance we make sweeping conclusions about him.

I feel like we've been through this. Preseason doesn't matter for a guy who has played in live NFL games at an MVP level, is 22-5 as a starter (including playoffs but excluding the Eagles game), has four playoff wins and a SB appearance in which he played well. It certainly matters - to an extent - for a guy who has never looked good in a live NFL game. Even in the preseason games in which his stat line looks bad, Purdy is generally making the right reads, getting the ball out on time and in rhythm. Lance...is not.

Lance just doesn't see it. He's the antithesis of Purdy right now. He doesn't understand the goal of the offense on a given play. He doesn't consistently recognize the defense pre-snap. He really struggles to go through progressions. Once the defensive players start moving, he looks absolutely lost if his first read isn't there. For that guy, preseason struggles are telling us something. That's particularly true because his play in actual games tells the same story.

Dallas just signed Dak to a big extension which says alot. They don't have much faith that Lance is going to be their franchise QB

[arich35]

Pay Purdy what he wants, we can't just give up a young QB that is playing at a high level. You see every other team with an even above average QB paying them, you can't avoid it in the NFL nowadays. Salary cap will continue to increase every year, in 3 years Purdy's contract will probably not even be top 10 for QBs anymore.

[Harry Palmer]

Pay Purdy what he wants, we can't just give up a young QB that is playing at a high level. You see every other team with an even above average QB paying them, you can't avoid it in the NFL nowadays. Salary cap will continue to increase every year, in 3 years Purdy's contract will probably not even be top 10 for QBs anymore.

Yeah, unless your argument is that Brock is well below average…and I don’t think even Big J is arguing that anymore, unless the plan is to constantly rotate rookies and hope you keep luck if out, you’re going to be paying him a ton either way. It just feels like more because of where it has been, but can you really argue that Dak is a much better investment? That’s the going rate.

Someone has suggested a separate cap for qbs, and I think that would be a major labour issue and possibly unworkable, it does point to the fact that any event qb is almost automatically the best paid player on his team regardless of whether they are the best player.

[thesack12]

It is pretty amusing how portions of the fan base completely devalue QB play.

I mean its only the most important/difficult position in all of sports.

But hey, the 49ers have Kyle Shanahan and his QB friendly system, so you can plug in anybody and SF will remain top tier contenders.... Right?

[Big J]

It is pretty amusing how portions of the fan base completely devalue QB play.

I mean its only the most important/difficult position in all of sports.

But hey, the 49ers have Kyle Shanahan and his QB friendly system, so you can plug in anybody and SF will remain top tier contenders.... Right?

He's taken Matt Ryan, Jimmy & Purdy to the Superbowl & multiple NFC championship games. Why wouldn't we think this? As long as the QB isn't terrible Kyle can work wonders with him.

[thesack12]

It is pretty amusing how portions of the fan base completely devalue QB play.

I mean its only the most important/difficult position in all of sports.

But hey, the 49ers have Kyle Shanahan and his QB friendly system, so you can plug in anybody and SF will remain top tier contenders.... Right?

He's taken Matt Ryan, Jimmy & Purdy to the Superbowl & multiple NFC championship games. Why wouldn't we think this? As long as the QB isn't terrible Kyle can work wonders with him.

You say this like, non terrible QB' are easy to find.

You do realize that there is a reason why the NFL as a whole is perpetually QB starved, right?

[Big J]

Pay Purdy what he wants, we can't just give up a young QB that is playing at a high level. You see every other team with an even above average QB paying them, you can't avoid it in the NFL nowadays. Salary cap will continue to increase every year, in 3 years Purdy's contract will probably not even be top 10 for QBs anymore.

Yeah, unless your argument is that Brock is well below average…and I don’t think even Big J is arguing that anymore, unless the plan is to constantly rotate rookies and hope you keep luck if out, you’re going to be paying him a ton either way. It just feels like more because of where it has been, but can you really argue that Dak is a much better investment? That’s the going rate.

Someone has suggested a separate cap for qbs, and I think that would be a major labour issue and possibly unworkable, it does point to the fact that any event qb is almost automatically the best paid player on his team regardless of whether they are the best player.

Just because other teams are paying average QB's a ton doesn't mean that we have to do it. Was it really a smart decision for the Falcons to pay Cousins $100 million in guaranteed money, or should they have just went with Penix and used that $ to build the rest of the roster?