Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[Wildcat]

:lol: this has gone too far - we're seeing dissertations on kat vs randle and critical responses.

hard to take jaytwill or wildcat serious when we aren't seeing an apa citation. maybe in the next 100 pages this critical topic will be given it's proper respect.

I should write thesis on you and why you associate yourself with bat poop.

[aggo]

randle for durant

[3toheadmelo]

randle for durant

agg0 for greenie

[The Vo Show]

It may sound crazy but, Boogie is doing podcasts saying he can still play. How do we feel about throwing a vet min at Boogie?

He's only 34 and he can shoot the 3... kinda feel like he's a really cheap alternative to Vuc.

[spree2kawhi]

A broken clock is right twice a day.

And, paradoxically, everyone who sees the writing on the wall must be blind.

Randle for Sabonis does net us the smarter player, a top level center, better passer too but the spacing Towns would provide… invaluable imo. All three don’t provide anything defensively, and, granted, Randle is probably the best of them on that end. Can’t match him up with Jokic or Embiid though…

Just like the writing on the wall was there for Donovan? There's nothing on wall. Contract will get resolved when it gets resolved. Nobody is rushing to ink a deal. Both sides have subtlety shown that.

I don't know the context and I didn't watch the video. Heh, liking one thing Pat said isn't universal.

I like Sabonis on this team far more than I do KAT. Sabonis does what I-Hart did, but better with his passing and potential for range. Defensively, well not a stud,he's fine with a strong supporting cast in OG and Bridges. Like Randle, I know what I'm getting night in and night out from Sabonis. Can't say the same for KAT. Like I keep falling back on, if his shot isn't dropping, he's deadweight.

Calling a 4x all star, 2x all NBA, career 22.9 ppg, 10.8 rpg player shooting 52-40-84 % over his career dead weight is beyond wild. The guy is a legit 7‘0. Y’all in here discussing Sims workout videos… is everyone freaking nuts? I get it, Towns can’t jump and is slow laterally, but he is also one of the most reliable and steady players in the league.

I generally respect your basketball opinion very much, but this is just wrong. I’ve been watching most teams over the years on league pass. I don’t watch highlights at all. Due to Edwards‘ ascension to stardom I’ve watched the wolves a lot. Towns is one of the most fundamentally sound scorers you’ll find in the NBA, scores on all levels and frequently punishes help defenders or smaller guys on the switch near the basket. This BS is all narrative. The guy can flat-out play. You keep coming back to the if his shot isn’t falling argument - well it is falling pretty much all the time. Against Dallas everybody’s hero Edwards shot only 43 FG%. Towns shot 44% from three over the first two rounds. This sht happens, that’s a young team. Y‘all better be careful with your takes. Again, the guy has basically been averaging 23 ppg, 11 rpg for ten years. He’s even doing this as a second option now. Minnesota might just prove you wrong. This could be a very bad look soon.

I like that they’re holding on to Towns. He should be the best Robin in the game. Too bad we’re stuck with just another wannabe Carmelo Anthony instead.


Maybe somebody who isn’t on this board can help:

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-100-players-2024-25/

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-30-power-forwards-2024-25-season/

https://hoopshype.com/lists/best-players-for-every-position/

[Guano]

:lol: this has gone too far - we're seeing dissertations on kat vs randle and critical responses.

hard to take jaytwill or wildcat serious when we aren't seeing an apa citation. maybe in the next 100 pages this critical topic will be given it's proper respect.

I should write thesis on you and why you associate yourself with bat poop.

Look no further than the time I spend here

[Guano]

randle for durant

[thebuzzardman]

Here's a motivational video by Sam Kinison's grandson to hold people over until training camp

Watch on YouTube

[R-DAWG]

If this team is built to win now, I don't see how a place holder like an older Vucevic is the answer. I like him, but he's never played winning basketball. I would prefer him with Randle, honestly. But again, I do like him. He's an upgraded I-Hart. I have no idea how a 3-team deal would look like.

I think it's a slight step back this year to give yourself a better shot at landing a 2nd star in the future.

My initial thought is some kind of 3 team deal with the Clippers
Randle to the Clippers
Vic, PJ Tucker (expiring contract) and LA's 2030 unprotected 1st to NY

Norman Powell would need to go to Chicago, who would need something lined up to flip him. I'd love him on the Knicks, just not sure how to make the math work

I see the Knicks rotation looking something like
Vucevic/Mitch
Precious/Hart
Anunoby/DDV
Bridges/McBride
Brunson/Kolek

The closing unit would have Brunson, Bridges and Anunoby mixing in two out of DDV, Hart, Mitch and Vuc.

You lose Randle's playmaking, which is concerning (which is why Norm Powell fits in), but this is all about teeing yourself up for the next move as opposed to doubling down on Randle.

How does replacing Juluis with Vucevic help this team win? And Precious as the starting PF spot come on. Thank god you guys don't run this franchise.

It’s a one step back to open up a 2 steps forward option. Randle is a better player than Vuc right now. But do we want to lock into Randle for the foreseeable future?

What does this trade accomplish for NY:
1) In Vuc - NY gets another guy who can score. He’s a downgrade from the best version of Randle here - mainly from a shot creation perspective - but he’s a durable player who can play up at C and is on a reasonable contract.

Regarding the Precious starting ideas - I like starting a rim protecting 4 next to a stretch 5. Mitch comes off the bench as the rim protector. I think the ideal closing lineup will have Mitch at C with either Hart/DDV along with Brunson/Bridges/Anunoby.

2) it’s creates more flexibility. Going into next season with Vuc instead of Randle, NY would have about 174.7MM on the books for 10 players - $21.2MM below the first apron and $33.1MM below the 2nd apron. While it’s going to be tight but not impossible to use the full $14.1MM taxpayer MLE (would likely require flipping Duce for a high 2nd rd pick and opening up $2.3MM in additional space) there is a lot of space to use bird rights guys to create outgoing salary for trades (in my version of the trade we acquire PJ Tucker as a trade deadline expiring or bird rights guy).

3) You start to restock the cupboard with draft assets. We can be sitting in a position where the Pistons pick we own looks more promising next summer and combined with a future unprotected Clippers pick is a strong trade package.

If you believe in Randle and are willing to double down on him, you don’t do this trade. But if you don’t believe in Randle or would prefer future flexibility, this is interesting.

[Wildcat]

And, paradoxically, everyone who sees the writing on the wall must be blind.

Randle for Sabonis does net us the smarter player, a top level center, better passer too but the spacing Towns would provide… invaluable imo. All three don’t provide anything defensively, and, granted, Randle is probably the best of them on that end. Can’t match him up with Jokic or Embiid though…

Just like the writing on the wall was there for Donovan? There's nothing on wall. Contract will get resolved when it gets resolved. Nobody is rushing to ink a deal. Both sides have subtlety shown that.

I don't know the context and I didn't watch the video. Heh, liking one thing Pat said isn't universal.

I like Sabonis on this team far more than I do KAT. Sabonis does what I-Hart did, but better with his passing and potential for range. Defensively, well not a stud,he's fine with a strong supporting cast in OG and Bridges. Like Randle, I know what I'm getting night in and night out from Sabonis. Can't say the same for KAT. Like I keep falling back on, if his shot isn't dropping, he's deadweight.

Calling a 4x all star, 2x all NBA, career 22.9 ppg, 10.8 rpg player shooting 52-40-84 % over his career dead weight is beyond wild. The guy is a legit 7‘0. Y’all in here discussing Sims workout videos… is everyone freaking nuts? I get it, Towns can’t jump and is slow laterally, but he is also one of the most reliable and steady players in the league.

I generally respect your basketball opinion very much, but this is just wrong. I’ve been watching most teams over the years on league pass. I don’t watch highlights at all. Due to Edwards‘ ascension to stardom I’ve watched the wolves a lot. Towns is one of the most fundamentally sound scorers you’ll find in the NBA, scores on all levels and frequently punishes help defenders or smaller guys on the switch near the basket. This BS is all narrative. The guy can flat-out play. You keep coming back to the if his shot isn’t falling argument - well it is falling pretty much all the time. Against Dallas everybody’s hero Edwards shot only 43 FG%. Towns shot 44% from three over the first two rounds. This sht happens, that’s a young team. Y‘all better be careful with your takes. Again, the guy has basically been averaging 23 ppg, 11 rpg for ten years. He’s even doing this as a second option now. Minnesota might just prove you wrong. This could be a very bad look soon.

I like that they’re holding on to Towns. He should be the best Robin in the game. Too bad we’re stuck with just another wannabe Carmelo Anthony instead.

Maybe somebody who isn’t on this board can help:

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-100-players-2024-25/

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-30-power-forwards-2024-25-season/

https://hoopshype.com/lists/best-players-for-every-position/

C'mon, my man. I didn't say KAT was deadweight. I said if his shot isn't falling, he's deadweight. He doesn't create shot opportunities for other players, he doesn't command attention for frequent double teams, when he is double he does exactly what Randle use to be criticized for (and I say use to, because Randle made quicker decisions last year), he isn't a real force in the interior, he has poor defensive mechanics. KAT is very much a momentum player.

KAT's an all-star talent that never made the leap he was suppose to make ala Joel. But he's no more reliable than Randle if we're looking at this metric. I mean, we just saw his reliability in his last 2 series when we witnessed him average 18.6 & 9 while shooting 51/39 against Denver. Then goes on to be incredibly inefficient with 19.6 & 8 while shooting 37/24 against a weaker frontline in Dallas.

There's a reason why he has this label on him:

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2024/5/28/24165879/karl-anthony-towns-most-annoying-guy-nba-playoffs-timberwolves-mavericks

"Now, just as stunningly, it will take another historic comeback for the Wolves to get back in a series with the Mavericks I can imagine few people saw as a blowout coming in. This is largely because KAT has been non-existent, a huge detriment to his team through three games, putting up shooting numbers that look like modern baseball averages and largely disappearing from a matchup that has been all Mavs thus far. In defeat, KAT has responded in typical fashion, with bewilderment, claiming to the press in a postgame interview that he’s been putting up “1500 shots a day”, or, you know, trying really hard. I cringed."

https://www.basketballpoetry.com/p/shrinking-violet-karl-anthony-towns

"With the ball, Towns becomes a car without a steering wheel. He doesn’t seem to realize ballhandlers are allowed to, you know, change direction. The Eurostep has been around for decades, yet Towns continually plows into defenders who have been parked in one spot long enough to incur a ticket. Watch him mow over LeBron James, who spent nearly the entire play motionless:"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10034519-fans-call-karl-anthony-towns-1-of-nbas-most-overrated-players-after-t-wolves-loss

Honestly, we can go on and on on these links.

[Wildcat]

I think it's a slight step back this year to give yourself a better shot at landing a 2nd star in the future.

My initial thought is some kind of 3 team deal with the Clippers
Randle to the Clippers
Vic, PJ Tucker (expiring contract) and LA's 2030 unprotected 1st to NY

Norman Powell would need to go to Chicago, who would need something lined up to flip him. I'd love him on the Knicks, just not sure how to make the math work

I see the Knicks rotation looking something like
Vucevic/Mitch
Precious/Hart
Anunoby/DDV
Bridges/McBride
Brunson/Kolek

The closing unit would have Brunson, Bridges and Anunoby mixing in two out of DDV, Hart, Mitch and Vuc.

You lose Randle's playmaking, which is concerning (which is why Norm Powell fits in), but this is all about teeing yourself up for the next move as opposed to doubling down on Randle.

How does replacing Juluis with Vucevic help this team win? And Precious as the starting PF spot come on. Thank god you guys don't run this franchise.

It’s a one step back to open up a 2 steps forward option. Randle is a better player than Vuc right now. But do we want to lock into Randle for the foreseeable future?

What does this trade accomplish for NY:
1) In Vuc - NY gets another guy who can score. He’s a downgrade from the best version of Randle here - mainly from a shot creation perspective - but he’s a durable player who can play up at C and is on a reasonable contract.

Regarding the Precious starting ideas - I like starting a rim protecting 4 next to a stretch 5. Mitch comes off the bench as the rim protector. I think the ideal closing lineup will have Mitch at C with either Hart/DDV along with Brunson/Bridges/Anunoby.

2) it’s creates more flexibility. Going into next season with Vuc instead of Randle, NY would have about 174.7MM on the books for 10 players - $21.2MM below the first apron and $33.1MM below the 2nd apron. While it’s going to be tight but not impossible to use the full $14.1MM taxpayer MLE (would likely require flipping Duce for a high 2nd rd pick and opening up $2.3MM in additional space) there is a lot of space to use bird rights guys to create outgoing salary for trades (in my version of the trade we acquire PJ Tucker as a trade deadline expiring or bird rights guy).

3) You start to restock the cupboard with draft assets. We can be sitting in a position where the Pistons pick we own looks more promising next summer and combined with a future unprotected Clippers pick is a strong trade package.

If you believe in Randle and are willing to double down on him, you don’t do this trade. But if you don’t believe in Randle or would prefer future flexibility, this is interesting.

Yeah, I'm in this camp.

Even if the Vucevic trade is a pivot move, dropping him for MLE doesn't sound like a good idea. And let's say the assets are restocked, who are the Knicks looking at to replace Randle's production at a reasonable timeframe? Because this idea sounds to be we're wasting at least 1-2 years in contention for a big fish to want out.

[KnicksGadfly]

I think it's a slight step back this year to give yourself a better shot at landing a 2nd star in the future.

My initial thought is some kind of 3 team deal with the Clippers
Randle to the Clippers
Vic, PJ Tucker (expiring contract) and LA's 2030 unprotected 1st to NY

Norman Powell would need to go to Chicago, who would need something lined up to flip him. I'd love him on the Knicks, just not sure how to make the math work

I see the Knicks rotation looking something like
Vucevic/Mitch
Precious/Hart
Anunoby/DDV
Bridges/McBride
Brunson/Kolek

The closing unit would have Brunson, Bridges and Anunoby mixing in two out of DDV, Hart, Mitch and Vuc.

You lose Randle's playmaking, which is concerning (which is why Norm Powell fits in), but this is all about teeing yourself up for the next move as opposed to doubling down on Randle.

How does replacing Juluis with Vucevic help this team win? And Precious as the starting PF spot come on. Thank god you guys don't run this franchise.

It’s a one step back to open up a 2 steps forward option. Randle is a better player than Vuc right now. But do we want to lock into Randle for the foreseeable future?

What does this trade accomplish for NY:
1) In Vuc - NY gets another guy who can score. He’s a downgrade from the best version of Randle here - mainly from a shot creation perspective - but he’s a durable player who can play up at C and is on a reasonable contract.

Regarding the Precious starting ideas - I like starting a rim protecting 4 next to a stretch 5. Mitch comes off the bench as the rim protector. I think the ideal closing lineup will have Mitch at C with either Hart/DDV along with Brunson/Bridges/Anunoby.

2) it’s creates more flexibility. Going into next season with Vuc instead of Randle, NY would have about 174.7MM on the books for 10 players - $21.2MM below the first apron and $33.1MM below the 2nd apron. While it’s going to be tight but not impossible to use the full $14.1MM taxpayer MLE (would likely require flipping Duce for a high 2nd rd pick and opening up $2.3MM in additional space) there is a lot of space to use bird rights guys to create outgoing salary for trades (in my version of the trade we acquire PJ Tucker as a trade deadline expiring or bird rights guy).

3) You start to restock the cupboard with draft assets. We can be sitting in a position where the Pistons pick we own looks more promising next summer and combined with a future unprotected Clippers pick is a strong trade package.

If you believe in Randle and are willing to double down on him, you don’t do this trade. But if you don’t believe in Randle or would prefer future flexibility, this is interesting.

Correction: if you don’t like Randle, the thought of Vuc will make you throw up in your mouth

[3toheadmelo]

randle for durant

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[3toheadmelo]

Begley saying we talked to ATL about trading for Capela earlier this summer

Thanks, Kameel! I’m excited about the season and getting The Putback and Mailbag started again. As far as backup centers and the trade deadline, I know the Knicks talked to Atlanta this offseason about a deal involving Capela. The Rockets want to win so if they are in a good place heading into the trade deadline, I’d be surprised if they moved Adams.

[thebuzzardman]

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This is interesting.

Can they even roster him, even with Dadiet and Kolek in the G-League?

Also, Knicks seem intent on a few things:

Building up professional depth. No more Charlie Brown, Jeffries, Duane Washington etc off the bench, even if there are several injuries.

Building up 3 point shooting on the bench

Building up guard depth, because someone might get dealt. Unfortunately, it would be Deuce.



Or, Knicks will use salaries of some combination guys like Deuce, maybe Precious,Sims, Chamet, maybe Dadiet or Kolek, or Payne, for that vet center, of various price and ability, like Kessler or Richards or Timelord

[FrozenEnvelope]

Randle > KAT is fact and there is nothing you can post to change this.

[The Vo Show]

How does replacing Juluis with Vucevic help this team win? And Precious as the starting PF spot come on. Thank god you guys don't run this franchise.

It’s a one step back to open up a 2 steps forward option. Randle is a better player than Vuc right now. But do we want to lock into Randle for the foreseeable future?

What does this trade accomplish for NY:
1) In Vuc - NY gets another guy who can score. He’s a downgrade from the best version of Randle here - mainly from a shot creation perspective - but he’s a durable player who can play up at C and is on a reasonable contract.

Regarding the Precious starting ideas - I like starting a rim protecting 4 next to a stretch 5. Mitch comes off the bench as the rim protector. I think the ideal closing lineup will have Mitch at C with either Hart/DDV along with Brunson/Bridges/Anunoby.

2) it’s creates more flexibility. Going into next season with Vuc instead of Randle, NY would have about 174.7MM on the books for 10 players - $21.2MM below the first apron and $33.1MM below the 2nd apron. While it’s going to be tight but not impossible to use the full $14.1MM taxpayer MLE (would likely require flipping Duce for a high 2nd rd pick and opening up $2.3MM in additional space) there is a lot of space to use bird rights guys to create outgoing salary for trades (in my version of the trade we acquire PJ Tucker as a trade deadline expiring or bird rights guy).

3) You start to restock the cupboard with draft assets. We can be sitting in a position where the Pistons pick we own looks more promising next summer and combined with a future unprotected Clippers pick is a strong trade package.

If you believe in Randle and are willing to double down on him, you don’t do this trade. But if you don’t believe in Randle or would prefer future flexibility, this is interesting.

Yeah, I'm in this camp.

Even if the Vucevic trade is a pivot move, dropping him for MLE doesn't sound like a good idea. And let's say the assets are restocked, who are the Knicks looking at to replace Randle's production at a reasonable timeframe? Because this idea sounds to be we're wasting at least 1-2 years in contention for a big fish to want out.

Theres no stepping backwards for this team. Future flexibility means very little when you are beyond the second apron and this team will almost certainly go beyond the second apron. I'm pretty sure we haven't extended Randle yet so that his extension doesn't take this team above the second apron this year. I think the rumor that Randle may opt-in and extend the way Hart did makes the most sense for this team since it gives the front office as much time as possible to find small targets to fill out the bench.

Plus if we really want just a big body, I'm still pushing a vet min for Boogie. People out there praising Philly for getting Drummond but is he really much better than Boogie?

[Guano]

randle for durant

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i'm cool with Brunson adding to KD's legacy

[Clyde_Style]

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This is interesting.

Can they even roster him, even with Dadiet and Kolek in the G-League?

Also, Knicks seem intent on a few things:

Building up professional depth. No more Charlie Brown, Jeffries, Duane Washington etc off the bench, even if there are several injuries.

Building up 3 point shooting on the bench

Building up guard depth, because someone might get dealt. Unfortunately, it would be Deuce.



Or, Knicks will use salaries of some combination guys like Deuce, maybe Precious,Sims, Chamet, maybe Dadiet or Kolek, or Payne, for that vet center, of various price and ability, like Kessler or Richards or Timelord

There is no doubt they are setting up for a trade by overstocking at the G position.