GT: Bama at Bucky - 9/14/24 - 11:00 a.m. - FOX

[trwi7]

Nobody back stabbed Leonhard. **** outta here with that ****.

Well you've sure convinced me with your eloquent argument. Everyone and especially Leonhard himself thought he was getting the job.

Backstabbing Leonhard would be saying or even strongly hinting that he was getting the job and then reversing course and hiring someone else. They never said or even hinted at Leonhard getting the job. Again, **** outta here with that ****.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Nobody back stabbed Leonhard. **** outta here with that ****.

Well you've sure convinced me with your eloquent argument. Everyone and especially Leonhard himself thought he was getting the job.

Backstabbing Leonhard would be saying or even strongly hinting that he was getting the job and then reversing course and hiring someone else. They never said or even hinted at Leonhard getting the job. Again, **** outta here with that ****.

You're too caught up in the specific definition. Nobody has a clue what was or wasn't promised but the general expectation was as an up and coming young coach and well liked UW alum the job was going to be his and there was a significant portion of the fanbase that felt they did him dirty in the end. Im guessing if you were to ask him he'd sure say felt like he got back stabbed. Did they literally do anything wrong by the letter of the law, no they didnt. Thats not what i was arguing.

But my all means don't engage in any kind of nuanced discussion if it interferes with your online persona of being a ****.

[MVP2110]

Nobody back stabbed Leonhard. **** outta here with that ****.

Well you've sure convinced me with your eloquent argument. Everyone and especially Leonhard himself thought he was getting the job.

Backstabbing Leonhard would be saying or even strongly hinting that he was getting the job and then reversing course and hiring someone else. They never said or even hinted at Leonhard getting the job. Again, **** outta here with that ****.

Several Badger insiders on other boards revealed Mac had heavily implied to JL the job was his and they had even discussed contract details. It's why Potrykus felt confident enough reporting that he had been hired. Mac didn't think Fickell was willing to come and reportedly Fickell changed his mind last minute and Mac pivoted to Fickell.

Fwiw the other guy they reportedly highly considered was Dave Aranda

[humanrefutation]

Generally, I've felt that you need to give a new hire at least 3 years before pulling the plug, especially if the sense is that he came to the program with the cupboard being bare (with the documented collapse of the recruiting regime under Chryst) and he's installing a whole new offense and defense.

So I'm not there with canning Fick at this point. If the program slumps to like a 3-9 season or something like that, I may reconsider.

[MVP2110]

Generally, I've felt that you need to give a new hire at least 3 years before pulling the plug, especially if the sense is that he came to the program with the cupboard being bare (with the documented collapse of the recruiting regime under Chryst) and he's installing a whole new offense and defense.

So I'm not there with canning Fick at this point. If the program slumps to like a 3-9 season or something like that, I may reconsider.

Yea, barring a total collapse of a season I think Fickell will(and should) get atleast a 3rd if not a 4th season. He's done a solid job on the recruiting trail and I wanna see what his team looks like when those guys become upperclassmen. Fickell got a 7 year deal so I highly doubt he's going anywhere this year

[humanrefutation]

And let's not relitigate the Leonhard situation. The consensus is that Fickell was a home run hire and the only risk to the program was that he'd bolt for OSU if Ryan Day got ****.

Tough for Jim? Absolutely. No one would have blinked an eye if he got the big gig permanently. And he's young enough that I could see him coming back, if under a different AD. But Fickell was probably the most sought after hire in college football and it's hard to blame Mac for hiring the dude.

[MVP2110]

And let's not relitigate the Leonhard situation. The consensus is that Fickell was a home run hire and the only risk to the program was that he'd bolt for OSU if Ryan Day got ****.

Tough for Jim? Absolutely. No one would have blinked an eye if he got the big gig permanently. And he's young enough that I could see him coming back, if under a different AD. But Fickell was probably the most sought after hire in college football and it's hard to blame Mac for hiring the dude.

To be clear I don't blame Mac at all for hiring Fickell over JL. It seemed like the right call at the time and he was taking a big swing rather than being content. But given how out of nowhere the Fickell hire came from & how many people inside the program were convinced JL was getting the job(including JL) it's fair to say JL has a right to feel some sort of way. They absolutely did JL dirty and the early indications are that it hasn't been worth it although there is time to change those perceptions

[ReasonablySober]

There isn't a program in the country that would have given Leonard the job once Fickell became interested. It sucks for Leonard, but he got passed over for a much better, much more obvious hire. That's not getting done dirty or f*cked over.

[Turk Nowitzki]

There isn't a program in the country that would have given Leonard the job once Fickell became interested. It sucks for Leonard, but he got passed over for a much better, much more obvious hire. That's not getting done dirty or f*cked over.

I will drop it now but I'm just going to say I disagree with the criteria you're laying out here for when someone gets **** over. It's certainly a justifiable way to run a program but it doesn't mean they didn't **** him over.

I really didn't mean to set this off this whole tangent I just didn't like the reaction I got to my original post from twri. Shouldn't have gotten that fired up about it.

[MVP2110]

There isn't a program in the country that would have given Leonard the job once Fickell became interested. It sucks for Leonard, but he got passed over for a much better, much more obvious hire. That's not getting done dirty or f*cked over.

If you're boss was discussing promoting you and even telling you how much of a raise you were going to get and then right when it was time to get promoted they decided to hire someone from outside of your organization you'd feel like you got done dirty.

Again it's not that Mac necessarily made the wrong call, I'd have hired Fickell too, but objectively speaking Mac did JL dirty, that's the nature of sports. Both can be true

[trwi7]

As far as the game, some dumb penalties, a really bad backup QB and some dumb and awful turnovers giving Alabama short fields made the score look a lot worse. Some clear things that need to be fixed though. Locke ain't it so if Van Dyke is out for the season I would like to not have to watch him the rest of the season. Tawee Walker needs to never be close to being the team leader in rushes in a game again. If we're going to run a different offense than we've been running for the last 30 years, then **** run a different offense. This dink and dunk **** is not going to work.

Defense had some moments of good and bad but mainly just concerned about how consistently bad the offense looks.

[MikeIsGood]

I was hoping we could keep the consecutive winning seasons streak alive, but that got a whole hell of a lot less likely when TVD went down. Locke has no game or pocket awareness at all. If we gotta roll with him / Sunshine isn’t ready, this season could be a lot longer than we even thought it would be already.

[MikeIsGood]

Stadium was electric pregame and for the first drive. Felt nice to see that much energy again - it’s been many years. Wish it hadn’t gotten sucked out so early. All the Bama fans I saw and interacted with were pleasant and respectful. Hate their team, but I always appreciate that from visiting fans.

[MVP2110]

I wanna give Locke some time to see how he does as a starter with time to prepare as the 1. He flashed at time last season and he's still only a sophomore

The rest of the team though was pitiful, especially the RBs and the defense. You can't fumble twice against Bama and their defense just got torched up & down the field. I didn't expect to win but I was hoping it could be like Ohio St game last year where they atleast kept it close

[ReasonablySober]

I feel bad for TVD, but I'm glad the Locke got in. If you're gonna be an average team, be an average team with a sophomore QB.

[ReasonablySober]

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[Mtsportsfan]

Never expected to win . but wow ! What a poorly coached team ! So many mental mistakes. The fumbles hurt but fielding a punt at the five , shot gun on a fourth and one, some weird defensive allignments. I get it that its tough to come off the bench, by Locke just doesn't look the part. He can't accurately throw the ball , especially a deep ball. Going to be tough for twenty three consecutive winning seasons!

[Kerb Hohl]

It me, old regime(s) supporter and Big Ten West appreciator.

It doesn’t matter who the coach is/was, we are completely **** now. Leonhard would’ve been boat raced today as well. In fact, I think Fickell is the right type of hire to have 1 good team/decade, which is as good as this program can do now.

[BUCKnation]

Stadium was electric pregame and for the first drive. Felt nice to see that much energy again - it’s been many years. Wish it hadn’t gotten sucked out so early. All the Bama fans I saw and interacted with were pleasant and respectful. Hate their team, but I always appreciate that from visiting fans.

Maybe it’s because im friends with them, but almost everyone I know who is a bama fan are pretty great to deal with. Makes it easy to cheer for them over some of the other power houses out there.

[Kerb Hohl]

As far as the game, some dumb penalties, a really bad backup QB and some dumb and awful turnovers giving Alabama short fields made the score look a lot worse. Some clear things that need to be fixed though. Locke ain't it so if Van Dyke is out for the season I would like to not have to watch him the rest of the season. Tawee Walker needs to never be close to being the team leader in rushes in a game again. If we're going to run a different offense than we've been running for the last 30 years, then **** run a different offense. This dink and dunk **** is not going to work.

Defense had some moments of good and bad but mainly just concerned about how consistently bad the offense looks.

They have to dink and dunk because everybody other than Pauling sucks. I’m not a Longo fan, but it would be much more incriminating if occasionally the WRs made an incredible catch or sliced through the secondary on a great play.

We could have the greatest OC of all time and these guys wouldn’t be getting open.


I’m also with you that Locke ain’t it. He’s “fine” - but the powerhouse teams get to buy a super senior that is better than that. He could definitely keep improving but he just can’t complete a high enough % of passes.