What does it take for Lakers to get Simmons?

Post #1 » by **zimpy27** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:06 am

Sounds insane? Sure but let me try convince you why this might be a good target.

- Simmons is a reduced value player in a contract year
- Davis and Simmons makes Lakers capable of a top 5 defense
- Davis wants a big like Simmons to play with
- LeBron being more off-ball as a shooter makes it possible to have 3 off-ball shooters with Davis+Simmons on court
- Lakers moving DLo need a playmaker coming back, Simmons provides this

DLo+Vando+Vincent is enough salary to bring in Simmons.
Lakers end up with Simmons, Reaves, LeBron, Davis as a core 4 to be surrounded by shooting with Christie, Knecht, Rui, Wood.

What would the Nets need in terms of picks to make this trade?

Godaddycurse · Post #2 » by **Godaddycurse** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:36 am

zimpy27 wrote:Sounds insane? Sure but let me try convince you why this might be a good target.

- Simmons is a reduced value player in a contract year
- Davis and Simmons makes Lakers capable of a top 5 defense
- Davis wants a big like Simmons to play with
- LeBron being more off-ball as a shooter makes it possible to have 3 off-ball shooters with Davis+Simmons on court
- Lakers moving DLo need a playmaker coming back, Simmons provides this

DLo+Vando+Vincent is enough salary to bring in Simmons.
Lakers end up with Simmons, Reaves, LeBron, Davis as a core 4 to be surrounded by shooting with Christie, Knecht, Rui, Wood.

What would the Nets need in terms of picks to make this trade?

Its not enough salary once you fill the 14th roster spot. You will exceed the apron

babyjax13 · Post #3 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:40 am

I think they could get LaVine - who is a better player and fit - for the same package they'd have to send for Simmons (just abstractly, not commenting about the specific package which Godaddy has says does not meet salary cap rules - and Godaddy is always right, as I've found out many times).

Post #4 » by **zimpy27** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:10 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Sounds insane? Sure but let me try convince you why this might be a good target.

- Simmons is a reduced value player in a contract year
- Davis and Simmons makes Lakers capable of a top 5 defense
- Davis wants a big like Simmons to play with
- LeBron being more off-ball as a shooter makes it possible to have 3 off-ball shooters with Davis+Simmons on court
- Lakers moving DLo need a playmaker coming back, Simmons provides this

DLo+Vando+Vincent is enough salary to bring in Simmons.
Lakers end up with Simmons, Reaves, LeBron, Davis as a core 4 to be surrounded by shooting with Christie, Knecht, Rui, Wood.

What would the Nets need in terms of picks to make this trade?

Its not enough salary once you fill the 14th roster spot. You will exceed the apron

That's not a big problem, there are small ways around it, I expect Lakers to move Hayes+Reddish and give Castleton+Koloko contracts. More interested in just the Simmons trade part without over complicating things.

Post #5 » by **zimpy27** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:19 am

babyjax13 wrote:I think they could get LaVine - who is a better player and fit - for the same package they'd have to send for Simmons (just abstractly, not commenting about the specific package which Godaddy has says does not meet salary cap rules - and Godaddy is always right, as I've found out many times).

I think LaVine is a poor fit defensively. I think Simmons is the better fit and Ingram is the best fit.

wemby · Post #6 » by **wemby** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:22 am

What does it take? my guess is, a gun to Pelinka's head, a Pelinka psychotic break, or hard drugs. Probably all of those combined.

TheNetsFan · Post #7 » by **TheNetsFan** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:26 am

I think you mean what does it cost to dump Vando+Vincent for an expiring. Simmons won't cost you anything.

babyjax13 · Post #8 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:34 am

zimpy27 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I think they could get LaVine - who is a better player and fit - for the same package they'd have to send for Simmons (just abstractly, not commenting about the specific package which Godaddy has says does not meet salary cap rules - and Godaddy is always right, as I've found out many times).

I think LaVine is a poor fit defensively. I think Simmons is the better fit and Ingram is the best fit.

LA would have extremely poor spacing in LeBron-Simmons-AD minutes, and Simmons and LeBron both need the ball to be most effective. LeBron certainly can share ballhandling duties with someone else, but Simmons is a complete non-factor without it. I honestly can't think of a worse fit in the entire league than Simmons. But I agree that Ingram would be great if there was a way to make it happen.

giberish · Post #9 » by **giberish** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:41 am

Any players the Lakers sent out to match salaries would hurt more than any on-court value of Simmons.

HadAnEffectHere · Post #10 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:19 am

The Lakers literally don't have enough players or enough second apron space to do this without destroying their team.

Post #11 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:23 am

This is a bad, bad idea.

mademan · Post #12 » by **mademan** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:32 am

TheNetsFan wrote:I think you mean what does it cost to dump Vando+Vincent for an expiring. Simmons won't cost you anything.

I think some teams would give an expiring for those 2 straight up. Vando is a legit good player, at least in the RS, with strong impact stats and he's relatively cheap.

Im not sure about his fit on the Raps, but i'd still trade Brown + Boucher's expiring for that package in a 3 teamer.

mademan · Post #13 » by **mademan** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:34 am

giberish wrote:Any players the Lakers sent out to match salaries would hurt more than any on-court value of Simmons.

+1. Hard to see how you get more value out of Simmons than Dlo. Simmons entire value is defensive point, and Vando fits that role well. I dont know if Vando is healthy or not, but he genuinely might be a straight up better player at this point.

giberish · Post #14 » by **giberish** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:49 am

mademan wrote:
giberish wrote:Any players the Lakers sent out to match salaries would hurt more than any on-court value of Simmons.

+1. Hard to see how you get more value out of Simmons than Dlo. Simmons entire value is defensive point, and Vando fits that role well. I dont know if Vando is healthy or not, but he genuinely might be a straight up better player at this point.

Yeah, Vando can provide the defense OP is hoping to get from Simmons with less issues on offense. And while his health/availability is an issue it's less of an issue for him than for Simmons. Add in Russell - a useful rotation option on a team that isn't crazy deep - and it's a clear downgrade.

Post #15 » by **zimpy27** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:10 am

babyjax13 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I think they could get LaVine - who is a better player and fit - for the same package they'd have to send for Simmons (just abstractly, not commenting about the specific package which Godaddy has says does not meet salary cap rules - and Godaddy is always right, as I've found out many times).

I think LaVine is a poor fit defensively. I think Simmons is the better fit and Ingram is the best fit.

LA would have extremely poor spacing in LeBron-Simmons-AD minutes, and Simmons and LeBron both need the ball to be most effective. LeBron certainly can share ballhandling duties with someone else, but Simmons is a complete non-factor without it. I honestly can't think of a worse fit in the entire league than Simmons. But I agree that Ingram would be great if there was a way to make it happen.

DLo spends a lot of time on ball, this is simply moving that load to Simmons. This isn't taking from LeBron.

Post #16 » by **zimpy27** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:11 am

TheNetsFan wrote:I think you mean what does it cost to dump Vando+Vincent for an expiring. Simmons won't cost you anything.

Yeah it is pretty simple I've though but I've yet to have an answer.

Post #17 » by **zimpy27** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:15 am

mademan wrote:
giberish wrote:Any players the Lakers sent out to match salaries would hurt more than any on-court value of Simmons.

+1. Hard to see how you get more value out of Simmons than Dlo. Simmons entire value is defensive point, and Vando fits that role well. I dont know if Vando is healthy or not, but he genuinely might be a straight up better player at this point.

Lakers actually need help defensively. DLo+Vando as a package works but Vando is oft injured. You could instead have a Simmons+Knecht version that would be an upgrade.

Lakers also need offensive rebounding, better AST-TO and more steals. Simmons gives all of these. Yes Lakers take a bit on offense but Redick is offense minded and I think they will work out something like Philly did.

Post #18 » by **Mavrelous** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:16 am

Yeah, if Lakers are killing their depth and tradable salary slots, they are much better off doing it for Lavine than Simmons...

Godaddycurse · Post #19 » by **Godaddycurse** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:21 am

zimpy27 wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I think you mean what does it cost to dump Vando+Vincent for an expiring. Simmons won't cost you anything.

Yeah it is pretty simple I've though but I've yet to have an answer.

A future swap

babyjax13 · Post #20 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:38 am

zimpy27 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
I think LaVine is a poor fit defensively. I think Simmons is the better fit and Ingram is the best fit.

LA would have extremely poor spacing in LeBron-Simmons-AD minutes, and Simmons and LeBron both need the ball to be most effective. LeBron certainly can share ballhandling duties with someone else, but Simmons is a complete non-factor without it. I honestly can't think of a worse fit in the entire league than Simmons. But I agree that Ingram would be great if there was a way to make it happen.

DLo spends a lot of time on ball, this is simply moving that load to Simmons. This isn't taking from LeBron.

It is if you want Simmons to be effective at all. Every second he is off-ball is time where you are playing 4:5.