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Jabroni Lames wrote:CBS Sports NBA Coach Rankings.Spoiler:
KembaWalker wrote:If you think you need a gun to answer the door, you probably shouldn’t answer the door. Call the police
Jabroni Lames wrote:Nurse had 1 magical run when Kawhi was healthy. Since then, he’s had zero playoff success. How does that put him like 5 Tiers above Pop? Nurse hasn’t even made a conference finals post-Kawhi and was in the lottery twice. He had a team of Siakam, Poeltl, Barnes, OG and FVV… and missed the playoffs altogether. What exactly is the Sam Quinn standard for top 2 or elite. Seems pretty arbitrary. Definitely not based on results.
Sixers in 4 wrote:Tom Thibodeau is underrated. He teams almost always overperform but he never gets any respect.
The most overrated coach by the media is Lue.
Lockdown504090 wrote:Jabroni Lames wrote:Nurse had 1 magical run when Kawhi was healthy. Since then, he’s had zero playoff success. How does that put him like 5 Tiers above Pop? Nurse hasn’t even made a conference finals post-Kawhi and was in the lottery twice. He had a team of Siakam, Poeltl, Barnes, OG and FVV… and missed the playoffs altogether. What exactly is the Sam Quinn standard for top 2 or elite. Seems pretty arbitrary. Definitely not based on results.
Coache rankings really arent done by playoff wins, theyre doing this on what the coaches did. For example, he had the 76ers practice against miamis zone so much, that he had them running the same zone against them to great effect. he can personally take credit for the improved passing embiid showed the last two playoff runs because embiid said so himself. maxey has blossomed, oubre is playing his first winning basketball under nurse when weve been calling him a loser his whole career. Yeah, im very biased, ill probably ride his pole like a firefighter til he retires, but the proof is there. He cant fix embiid's legs, or make james harden kobe in the playoffs.
HotelVitale wrote:Sixers in 4 wrote:Tom Thibodeau is underrated. He teams almost always overperform but he never gets any respect.
The most overrated coach by the media is Lue.
Seems like Thibs teams consistently grind out extra wins in the RS but then are pretty meh in the PO. Different sort of thing than Spo or Pop where it seems like they’re disciplining their guys but also getting them ready to execute perfectly at the highest level and play precisely within different structures. I always assumed Thibs just ran a pretty militant culture where everyone was playing hard and making the right rotations and not taking any plays off all the time, and that when everyone is doing that in the PO the advantage disappears.
HotelVitale wrote:Sixers in 4 wrote:Tom Thibodeau is underrated. He teams almost always overperform but he never gets any respect.
The most overrated coach by the media is Lue.
Seems like Thibs teams consistently grind out extra wins in the RS but then are pretty meh in the PO. Different sort of thing than Spo or Pop where it seems like they’re disciplining their guys but also getting them ready to execute perfectly at the highest level and play precisely within different structures. I always assumed Thibs just ran a pretty militant culture where everyone was playing hard and making the right rotations and not taking any plays off all the time, and that when everyone is doing that in the PO the advantage disappears.
Jabroni Lames wrote:Lockdown504090 wrote:Jabroni Lames wrote:Nurse had 1 magical run when Kawhi was healthy. Since then, he’s had zero playoff success. How does that put him like 5 Tiers above Pop? Nurse hasn’t even made a conference finals post-Kawhi and was in the lottery twice. He had a team of Siakam, Poeltl, Barnes, OG and FVV… and missed the playoffs altogether. What exactly is the Sam Quinn standard for top 2 or elite. Seems pretty arbitrary. Definitely not based on results.
Coache rankings really arent done by playoff wins, theyre doing this on what the coaches did. For example, he had the 76ers practice against miamis zone so much, that he had them running the same zone against them to great effect. he can personally take credit for the improved passing embiid showed the last two playoff runs because embiid said so himself. maxey has blossomed, oubre is playing his first winning basketball under nurse when weve been calling him a loser his whole career. Yeah, im very biased, ill probably ride his pole like a firefighter til he retires, but the proof is there. He cant fix embiid's legs, or make james harden kobe in the playoffs.
"The proof is there". Wow. Keep riding that pole.
Thibs turning Jalen Brunson into an All-NBA 40-piece playoff scorer (without a secondary option) dwarfs anything Nurse did... inheriting the reigning MVP, by orders of magnitude. I mean, you can cherry pick any coaches micro successes and rank them all number 1, if you use your criteria.
And by the way, the author lauds Nurse's defensive strategic genius. How come Nurse, the heralded defensive mastermind, wasn't able to stop the aforementioned Jalen Brunson, when he's only like 5'10" and the only legitimate scoring threat on the floor? Even the one thing he's supposed to be elite at, failed him.
It appears more like Sam Quinn hasn't watched any NBA games since 2019.
Sixers in 4 wrote:HotelVitale wrote:Sixers in 4 wrote:Tom Thibodeau is underrated. He teams almost always overperform but he never gets any respect.
The most overrated coach by the media is Lue.
Seems like Thibs teams consistently grind out extra wins in the RS but then are pretty meh in the PO. Different sort of thing than Spo or Pop where it seems like they’re disciplining their guys but also getting them ready to execute perfectly at the highest level and play precisely within different structures. I always assumed Thibs just ran a pretty militant culture where everyone was playing hard and making the right rotations and not taking any plays off all the time, and that when everyone is doing that in the PO the advantage disappears.
I think his teams have been pretty meh overall and overperformed in the regular season. I don't think he has really underperformed in the playoffs more so I think he just hadn't had many great rosters. He certainly doesn't have the best NBA roster this time around but it's up there will be interesting to see what he does with this group.
cupcakesnake wrote:Jabroni Lames wrote:CBS Sports NBA Coach Rankings.Spoiler:
I mostly like Sam Quinn and think the list is pretty good. I'd have Taylor Jenkins higher. I like Daigneault more than Lue, but Lue has a much longer resume. I'd bump Billups into the "we don't know enough" category, though I haven't loved the signs. I get that he didn't know what to with Pop, but putting him under Mike Brown doesn't feel right to me.
Lockdown504090 wrote:Jabroni Lames wrote:Lockdown504090 wrote:Coache rankings really arent done by playoff wins, theyre doing this on what the coaches did. For example, he had the 76ers practice against miamis zone so much, that he had them running the same zone against them to great effect. he can personally take credit for the improved passing embiid showed the last two playoff runs because embiid said so himself. maxey has blossomed, oubre is playing his first winning basketball under nurse when weve been calling him a loser his whole career. Yeah, im very biased, ill probably ride his pole like a firefighter til he retires, but the proof is there. He cant fix embiid's legs, or make james harden kobe in the playoffs.
"The proof is there". Wow. Keep riding that pole.
Thibs turning Jalen Brunson into an All-NBA 40-piece playoff scorer (without a secondary option) dwarfs anything Nurse did... inheriting the reigning MVP, by orders of magnitude. I mean, you can cherry pick any coaches micro successes and rank them all number 1, if you use your criteria.
And by the way, the author lauds Nurse's defensive strategic genius. How come Nurse, the heralded defensive mastermind, wasn't able to stop the aforementioned Jalen Brunson, when he's only like 5'10" and the only legitimate scoring threat on the floor? Even the one thing he's supposed to be elite at, failed him.
It appears more like Sam Quinn hasn't watched any NBA games since 2019.
That’s a fair point, but let’s not act like Brunson wasn’t at 52.5 true shooting , despite the crazy volume. But to answer your question, the issue was embiids health. Their whole defense is centered around him and he wasn’t healthy enough. With him they were elite this season, when they didn’t have him on the floor, they were a dumpster fire. So that being said, his injuries really hurt them. In addition, their strat was to have Brunson go off with volume on low efficiency, they did do that, and Brunson was better was more efficient against Indiana than the 76ers
Larry_Russell wrote:cupcakesnake wrote:Jabroni Lames wrote:CBS Sports NBA Coach Rankings.Spoiler:
I mostly like Sam Quinn and think the list is pretty good. I'd have Taylor Jenkins higher. I like Daigneault more than Lue, but Lue has a much longer resume. I'd bump Billups into the "we don't know enough" category, though I haven't loved the signs. I get that he didn't know what to with Pop, but putting him under Mike Brown doesn't feel right to me.
how TF is Joe so low on that list lololol
Jabroni Lames wrote:Lockdown504090 wrote:Jabroni Lames wrote:
"The proof is there". Wow. Keep riding that pole.
Thibs turning Jalen Brunson into an All-NBA 40-piece playoff scorer (without a secondary option) dwarfs anything Nurse did... inheriting the reigning MVP, by orders of magnitude. I mean, you can cherry pick any coaches micro successes and rank them all number 1, if you use your criteria.
And by the way, the author lauds Nurse's defensive strategic genius. How come Nurse, the heralded defensive mastermind, wasn't able to stop the aforementioned Jalen Brunson, when he's only like 5'10" and the only legitimate scoring threat on the floor? Even the one thing he's supposed to be elite at, failed him.
It appears more like Sam Quinn hasn't watched any NBA games since 2019.
That’s a fair point, but let’s not act like Brunson wasn’t at 52.5 true shooting , despite the crazy volume. But to answer your question, the issue was embiids health. Their whole defense is centered around him and he wasn’t healthy enough. With him they were elite this season, when they didn’t have him on the floor, they were a dumpster fire. So that being said, his injuries really hurt them. In addition, their strat was to have Brunson go off with volume on low efficiency, they did do that, and Brunson was better was more efficient against Indiana than the 76ers
It wasn't Embiid's fault. In addition to putting up a ridiculous playoff statline of: 33.0ppg, 10.8rpg, 5.7apg, 1.2spg, 1.5bpg... Embiid had a truly unbelievable +58 on/off net rating. That's staggering. That means that it was the non-Embiid minutes that sank the Sixers. Hey... that's a perfect opportunity for the exalted coaching strategist, Nick Nurse, to show that he can actually coach.
Hurt or not, Embiid played like an MVP and did his job in the Knicks series. It was Nurse who got exposed.
