2024 Power Ranking: The Top 50 Canadians

[YogurtProducer]

Any reason Kyshawn George was not on here? He has stated he would be interested in playing for our mens team.

His dad played with Rowan Barrett and Steve Nash

[YogurtProducer]

Great work on this list! I agree with most of the rankings.

Kind of a shock at how old some of our guys are getting. The golden generation of Can Bball was in it's prime this Olympics. Really unfortunate Wiggins and TT weren't involved. Hopefully some of the young guys like Sharpe and Mathurin take leaps to extend our window.

Our prime might be next cycle tbh.

SGA would be 30, Jamal 31, Barret 28, Brooks 32, Sharpe 25, Dort 29, Nembard 28, Edey 26. That is our 8 best guys in or around their primes.

You lose Powell / Olynyk / BIrch / Ejim / Lyles, but you hope you get contributions from Edey, and by then Kabengele or Alexander are serviceable backup bigs.

Plus, who knows what prospects come out in the next 4 years. But we do desperately need to develop some size.

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yeah Sharpe to me should be closer to 15 than 5 IMO.

On production alone he is higher than 15. Nevermind factoring in age/potential. I'd rather have him than Olynyk, or Clarke, for example. Dort I think I'd have above him though.

He is at best #14. Nothing about this list seems to be about potential.

You'd rather have NAW and Boucher over Sharpe? I can't agree with this take.
And I disagree with the list not including potential...otherwise why would Edey be slotted in at #8?

The kid is in his age 21-22 season (he just turned 21 in May). He's younger than Edey by a full year but already has 2 years of NBA experience. That has to count for something. I can see him putting up 17/5/3 type numbers next season on 45/35% splits. Decently average NBA volume scorer type numbers. Playing without a good PG, on a tanking, poorly rounded roster for that matter, can't have helped him efficiency wise. I think he can return to his rookie season efficiency while improving in the counting stats area. Defensively, yeah he could still be problematic, but again, he's 21 years old and is still learning the nuances of playing NBA defense. He certainly has the body and athleticism to be great.

He was ranked 12th last year, so to have him at best #14, you're saying 2 guys leapfrogged him? Edey probably being one, who is the other? I'm curious who your top ~15-20 would be.

[YogurtProducer]

On production alone he is higher than 15. Nevermind factoring in age/potential. I'd rather have him than Olynyk, or Clarke, for example. Dort I think I'd have above him though.

He is at best #14. Nothing about this list seems to be about potential.

You'd rather have NAW and Boucher over Sharpe? I can't agree with this take.
And I disagree with the list not including potential...otherwise why would Edey be slotted in at #8?

The kid is in his age 21-22 season (he just turned 21 in May). He's younger than Edey by a full year but already has 2 years of NBA experience. That has to count for something. I can see him putting up 17/5/3 type numbers next season on 45/35% splits. Decently average NBA volume scorer type numbers. Playing without a good PG, on a tanking, poorly rounded roster for that matter, can't have helped him efficiency wise. I think he can return to his rookie season efficiency while improving in the counting stats area. Defensively, yeah he could still be problematic, but again, he's 21 years old and is still learning the nuances of playing NBA defense. He certainly has the body and athleticism to be great.

He was ranked 12th last year, so to have him at best #14, you're saying 2 guys leapfrogged him? Edey probably being one, who is the other? I'm curious who your top ~15-20 would be.

He is at best #14, which is above Boucher FWIW.

If i want to win a game tomorrow, I take NAW and his ability to play a role (3+D) over Sharpe really providing inexperience and scoring inefficiently.

FWIW - NAW as a 2nd year player put up 18/5/4 on 52TS%. Sharpe just did 17/5/3 on 52TS%. NAW is just simply a better player at this point in time playing a role on a good team while Sharpe can kind of stat pad on a bad one.

Again, if this list was "highest potential Canadians" you have Sharpe higher solely on account of his age, and draft slot, but in reality TODAY he is not worthy of being called a top 5 Canadian basketball player.

Edit: Like there is no guarentee at his peak he is better than Lu Dort is right now (starter on a contending team, and starting on a Team Canada team with medal aspirations). The fact he is over Dort is laughable. OKC does not accept a Dort for Shaedon trade, and that is including the fact Sharpe has more "potential".

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He is at best #14. Nothing about this list seems to be about potential.

You'd rather have NAW and Boucher over Sharpe? I can't agree with this take.
And I disagree with the list not including potential...otherwise why would Edey be slotted in at #8?

The kid is in his age 21-22 season (he just turned 21 in May). He's younger than Edey by a full year but already has 2 years of NBA experience. That has to count for something. I can see him putting up 17/5/3 type numbers next season on 45/35% splits. Decently average NBA volume scorer type numbers. Playing without a good PG, on a tanking, poorly rounded roster for that matter, can't have helped him efficiency wise. I think he can return to his rookie season efficiency while improving in the counting stats area. Defensively, yeah he could still be problematic, but again, he's 21 years old and is still learning the nuances of playing NBA defense. He certainly has the body and athleticism to be great.

He was ranked 12th last year, so to have him at best #14, you're saying 2 guys leapfrogged him? Edey probably being one, who is the other? I'm curious who your top ~15-20 would be.

He is at best #14, which is above Boucher FWIW.

If i want to win a game tomorrow, I take NAW and his ability to play a role (3+D) over Sharpe really providing inexperience and scoring inefficiently.

FWIW - NAW as a 2nd year player put up 18/5/4 on 52TS%. Sharpe just did 17/5/3 on 52TS%. NAW is just simply a better player at this point in time playing a role on a good team while Sharpe can kind of stat pad on a bad one.

Again, if this list was "highest potential Canadians" you have Sharpe higher solely on account of his age, and draft slot, but in reality TODAY he is not worthy of being called a top 5 Canadian basketball player.

Edit: Like there is no guarentee at his peak he is better than Lu Dort is right now (starter on a contending team, and starting on a Team Canada team with medal aspirations). The fact he is over Dort is laughable. OKC does not accept a Dort for Shaedon trade, and that is including the fact Sharpe has more "potential".

I agree about Dort. But I'm not sure using per-36 numbers is fair for NAW. He's never getting a 36mpg average. Sharpe actually averaged 33mpg last year, while NAW had a career higher 23.4mpg, career 19.6mpg. And again, age does matter. NAW's rookie year he was 21. The same as Sharpe this year. You gotta take that into account. Also NAW just put up 12/3/4 per-36 last season, which is pretty bad, and while his 3p% was good in the RS, he shat it in the playoffs and for Team Canada. Maybe he gets his shot back, maybe he doesn't.

But if you say potential and age absolutely are not taken into account, then you HAVE to drop Edey off the list. Because he's proven absolutely nothing beyond college basketball, and his entire resume right now is "potential".

Top 5 for Sharpe is arguable, clearly. But I see no argument for 14th. That's why I'm interested in seeing the 13 players you DEFINITELY have above him. And after those 13, what other guys he's competing with for the 14-17th ish spots, seeing as you say at BEST he's 14th.

He's probably at worst, in a tier with Mathurin and Wiggins as they're all more or less the same kind of player. Then there's the NAW debate, and I also struggle to have Olynyk over him, esp after seeing what happened in the Olympics. I'm definitely not taking Powell over him.

[agkagk]

Can someone explain why Boucher is never in the conversation?


IMO, His game is better suited for international ball vs the NBA — and he’s a quality backup.

So, yeah, why not Boucher?

[YogurtProducer]

You'd rather have NAW and Boucher over Sharpe? I can't agree with this take.
And I disagree with the list not including potential...otherwise why would Edey be slotted in at #8?

The kid is in his age 21-22 season (he just turned 21 in May). He's younger than Edey by a full year but already has 2 years of NBA experience. That has to count for something. I can see him putting up 17/5/3 type numbers next season on 45/35% splits. Decently average NBA volume scorer type numbers. Playing without a good PG, on a tanking, poorly rounded roster for that matter, can't have helped him efficiency wise. I think he can return to his rookie season efficiency while improving in the counting stats area. Defensively, yeah he could still be problematic, but again, he's 21 years old and is still learning the nuances of playing NBA defense. He certainly has the body and athleticism to be great.

He was ranked 12th last year, so to have him at best #14, you're saying 2 guys leapfrogged him? Edey probably being one, who is the other? I'm curious who your top ~15-20 would be.

He is at best #14, which is above Boucher FWIW.

If i want to win a game tomorrow, I take NAW and his ability to play a role (3+D) over Sharpe really providing inexperience and scoring inefficiently.

FWIW - NAW as a 2nd year player put up 18/5/4 on 52TS%. Sharpe just did 17/5/3 on 52TS%. NAW is just simply a better player at this point in time playing a role on a good team while Sharpe can kind of stat pad on a bad one.

Again, if this list was "highest potential Canadians" you have Sharpe higher solely on account of his age, and draft slot, but in reality TODAY he is not worthy of being called a top 5 Canadian basketball player.

Edit: Like there is no guarentee at his peak he is better than Lu Dort is right now (starter on a contending team, and starting on a Team Canada team with medal aspirations). The fact he is over Dort is laughable. OKC does not accept a Dort for Shaedon trade, and that is including the fact Sharpe has more "potential".

I agree about Dort. But I'm not sure using per-36 numbers is fair for NAW. He's never getting a 36mpg average. Sharpe actually averaged 33mpg last year, while NAW had a career higher 23.4mpg, career 19.6mpg. And again, age does matter. NAW's rookie year he was 21. The same as Sharpe this year. You gotta take that into account. Also NAW just put up 12/3/4 per-36 last season, which is pretty bad, and while his 3p% was good in the RS, he shat it in the playoffs and for Team Canada. Maybe he gets his shot back, maybe he doesn't.

But if you say potential and age absolutely are not taken into account, then you HAVE to drop Edey off the list. Because he's proven absolutely nothing beyond college basketball, and his entire resume right now is "potential".

Top 5 for Sharpe is arguable, clearly. But I see no argument for 14th. That's why I'm interested in seeing the 13 players you DEFINITELY have above him. And after those 13, what other guys he's competing with for the 14-17th ish spots, seeing as you say at BEST he's 14th.

He's probably at worst, in a tier with Mathurin and Wiggins as they're all more or less the same kind of player. Then there's the NAW debate, and I also struggle to have Olynyk over him, esp after seeing what happened in the Olympics. I'm definitely not taking Powell over him.

You dont "have" to drop Edey at all. This list is 50 people most of whom are not NBA players. It is pretty easy to determine that the guy picked top 10 in the draft is likely better than a lot of guys. Edey is tough as you have to kind of "project" his play against grown men, whereas with Sharpe we already know what it is (obv. with room for growth).

Mathurin was a 6th man on a good team. Wiggins was a starter on a decent GSW team and was a key cog on a championship team not 24 months ago-ish.

Definitely above Sharpe:

SGA
Jamal
RJ
Brooks
Dort
Nembhard
Edey
Clarke
Olynyk
Wiggins

NAW / Mathurin / Sharpe I can see being same tier.

You just dont put 21 year olds who have done NOTHING in their career, and actually been net negative players, ahead of vets who actually have proven to be NBA and FIBA ready players.

Would I take Sharpe on the Raptors over everyone of those guys sans SGA? Probably. If I had a game to win tomorrow do I? Probably not.

[Hair Canada]

Any reason Kyshawn George was not on here? He has stated he would be interested in playing for our mens team.

His dad played with Rowan Barrett and Steve Nash

George grew up in Switzerland and played for them in the youth FIBA competitions. So I guess I'll want to see more than a nonchelant statement about possibly playing for Canada in the future (there are probably also issues of FIBA giving him the okay to do that). Not discounting him as a future guy for this list, but right now I'm on the fence about him.

Regardless, I'm not sure he would make my list at this point (as the youngest player on the list). From the games I've watched, he wasn't that impressive at Miami last year and was mostly selected based on potentail. I'd like to see at least one year of him as a pro before reconsidering what I think about him.

[Hair Canada]

Great work on this list! I agree with most of the rankings.

Kind of a shock at how old some of our guys are getting. The golden generation of Can Bball was in it's prime this Olympics. Really unfortunate Wiggins and TT weren't involved. Hopefully some of the young guys like Sharpe and Mathurin take leaps to extend our window.

Our prime might be next cycle tbh.

SGA would be 30, Jamal 31, Barret 28, Brooks 32, Sharpe 25, Dort 29, Nembard 28, Edey 26. That is our 8 best guys in or around their primes.

You lose Powell / Olynyk / BIrch / Ejim / Lyles, but you hope you get contributions from Edey, and by then Kabengele or Alexander are serviceable backup bigs.

Plus, who knows what prospects come out in the next 4 years. But we do desperately need to develop some size.

Also Mathurin, L. Miller, O-Max, Houstan, and Banton aill all be 25-30. Can hope that at least two of them break forward and join the core group. On the size front, Clarke will be only 31 by the next WC.

[Hair Canada]

yeah Sharpe to me should be closer to 15 than 5 IMO.

On production alone he is higher than 15. Nevermind factoring in age/potential. I'd rather have him than Olynyk, or Clarke, for example. Dort I think I'd have above him though.

He is at best #14. Nothing about this list seems to be about potential.

Go back to the first post. I state there that while it's not about future potential, it is about how good I think they're going to be this coming year (meaning some of the older guys who are on the decline also get a bit downgraded while some of the younger guys like Edey and Sharpe get an "optimism bump"). So I'm gambling here on Sharpe making a breakthrough this year (closer to 20ppg than 17 and development on other areas as well). Might be wrong of course, but that's part of the fun. Definitely legit to think he's ranked too high for now. Him, Dort, Nembhard and Edey were really close for me.

[Crazy-Canuck]

If you think wiggins' fathers issues were hanging over his head, then he will probably climb into top 3-5 status. If you think it's had no impact on him at all then he's fringe top 10.

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He is at best #14, which is above Boucher FWIW.

If i want to win a game tomorrow, I take NAW and his ability to play a role (3+D) over Sharpe really providing inexperience and scoring inefficiently.

FWIW - NAW as a 2nd year player put up 18/5/4 on 52TS%. Sharpe just did 17/5/3 on 52TS%. NAW is just simply a better player at this point in time playing a role on a good team while Sharpe can kind of stat pad on a bad one.

Again, if this list was "highest potential Canadians" you have Sharpe higher solely on account of his age, and draft slot, but in reality TODAY he is not worthy of being called a top 5 Canadian basketball player.

Edit: Like there is no guarentee at his peak he is better than Lu Dort is right now (starter on a contending team, and starting on a Team Canada team with medal aspirations). The fact he is over Dort is laughable. OKC does not accept a Dort for Shaedon trade, and that is including the fact Sharpe has more "potential".

I agree about Dort. But I'm not sure using per-36 numbers is fair for NAW. He's never getting a 36mpg average. Sharpe actually averaged 33mpg last year, while NAW had a career higher 23.4mpg, career 19.6mpg. And again, age does matter. NAW's rookie year he was 21. The same as Sharpe this year. You gotta take that into account. Also NAW just put up 12/3/4 per-36 last season, which is pretty bad, and while his 3p% was good in the RS, he shat it in the playoffs and for Team Canada. Maybe he gets his shot back, maybe he doesn't.

But if you say potential and age absolutely are not taken into account, then you HAVE to drop Edey off the list. Because he's proven absolutely nothing beyond college basketball, and his entire resume right now is "potential".

Top 5 for Sharpe is arguable, clearly. But I see no argument for 14th. That's why I'm interested in seeing the 13 players you DEFINITELY have above him. And after those 13, what other guys he's competing with for the 14-17th ish spots, seeing as you say at BEST he's 14th.

He's probably at worst, in a tier with Mathurin and Wiggins as they're all more or less the same kind of player. Then there's the NAW debate, and I also struggle to have Olynyk over him, esp after seeing what happened in the Olympics. I'm definitely not taking Powell over him.

You dont "have" to drop Edey at all. This list is 50 people most of whom are not NBA players. It is pretty easy to determine that the guy picked top 10 in the draft is likely better than a lot of guys. Edey is tough as you have to kind of "project" his play against grown men, whereas with Sharpe we already know what it is (obv. with room for growth).

Mathurin was a 6th man on a good team. Wiggins was a starter on a decent GSW team and was a key cog on a championship team not 24 months ago-ish.

Definitely above Sharpe:

SGA
Jamal
RJ
Brooks
Dort
Nembhard
Edey
Clarke
Olynyk
Wiggins

NAW / Mathurin / Sharpe I can see being same tier.

You just dont put 21 year olds who have done NOTHING in their career, and actually been net negative players, ahead of vets who actually have proven to be NBA and FIBA ready players.

Would I take Sharpe on the Raptors over everyone of those guys sans SGA? Probably. If I had a game to win tomorrow do I? Probably not.

With that explanation I can agree more. But by your admission, you're saying there's 10 guys above him, then a few guys in a tier. So at best he's 11th. Not "at best he's 14th". That was the issue I had. I agree he could be debated into that 11-14 tier, depending on your POV, but he could also improve and perform into the top 10, and is probably the only one outside of Mathurin who has that ability.

[YogurtProducer]

I agree about Dort. But I'm not sure using per-36 numbers is fair for NAW. He's never getting a 36mpg average. Sharpe actually averaged 33mpg last year, while NAW had a career higher 23.4mpg, career 19.6mpg. And again, age does matter. NAW's rookie year he was 21. The same as Sharpe this year. You gotta take that into account. Also NAW just put up 12/3/4 per-36 last season, which is pretty bad, and while his 3p% was good in the RS, he shat it in the playoffs and for Team Canada. Maybe he gets his shot back, maybe he doesn't.

But if you say potential and age absolutely are not taken into account, then you HAVE to drop Edey off the list. Because he's proven absolutely nothing beyond college basketball, and his entire resume right now is "potential".

Top 5 for Sharpe is arguable, clearly. But I see no argument for 14th. That's why I'm interested in seeing the 13 players you DEFINITELY have above him. And after those 13, what other guys he's competing with for the 14-17th ish spots, seeing as you say at BEST he's 14th.

He's probably at worst, in a tier with Mathurin and Wiggins as they're all more or less the same kind of player. Then there's the NAW debate, and I also struggle to have Olynyk over him, esp after seeing what happened in the Olympics. I'm definitely not taking Powell over him.

You dont "have" to drop Edey at all. This list is 50 people most of whom are not NBA players. It is pretty easy to determine that the guy picked top 10 in the draft is likely better than a lot of guys. Edey is tough as you have to kind of "project" his play against grown men, whereas with Sharpe we already know what it is (obv. with room for growth).

Mathurin was a 6th man on a good team. Wiggins was a starter on a decent GSW team and was a key cog on a championship team not 24 months ago-ish.

Definitely above Sharpe:

SGA
Jamal
RJ
Brooks
Dort
Nembhard
Edey
Clarke
Olynyk
Wiggins

NAW / Mathurin / Sharpe I can see being same tier.

You just dont put 21 year olds who have done NOTHING in their career, and actually been net negative players, ahead of vets who actually have proven to be NBA and FIBA ready players.

Would I take Sharpe on the Raptors over everyone of those guys sans SGA? Probably. If I had a game to win tomorrow do I? Probably not.

With that explanation I can agree more. But by your admission, you're saying there's 10 guys above him, then a few guys in a tier. So at best he's 11th. Not "at best he's 14th". That was the issue I had. I agree he could be debated into that 11-14 tier, depending on your POV, but he could also improve and perform into the top 10, and is probably the only one outside of Mathurin who has that ability.

Well IMO, he is still at best #14, I just conceded I could live with people seeing NAW/Mathurin/Sharpe being the same tier.

Also, it looks like I have him at #13. Powell I have below him.

Either way - #5 is CRAZY.

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You dont "have" to drop Edey at all. This list is 50 people most of whom are not NBA players. It is pretty easy to determine that the guy picked top 10 in the draft is likely better than a lot of guys. Edey is tough as you have to kind of "project" his play against grown men, whereas with Sharpe we already know what it is (obv. with room for growth).

Mathurin was a 6th man on a good team. Wiggins was a starter on a decent GSW team and was a key cog on a championship team not 24 months ago-ish.

Definitely above Sharpe:

SGA
Jamal
RJ
Brooks
Dort
Nembhard
Edey
Clarke
Olynyk
Wiggins

NAW / Mathurin / Sharpe I can see being same tier.

You just dont put 21 year olds who have done NOTHING in their career, and actually been net negative players, ahead of vets who actually have proven to be NBA and FIBA ready players.

Would I take Sharpe on the Raptors over everyone of those guys sans SGA? Probably. If I had a game to win tomorrow do I? Probably not.

With that explanation I can agree more. But by your admission, you're saying there's 10 guys above him, then a few guys in a tier. So at best he's 11th. Not "at best he's 14th". That was the issue I had. I agree he could be debated into that 11-14 tier, depending on your POV, but he could also improve and perform into the top 10, and is probably the only one outside of Mathurin who has that ability.

Well IMO, he is still at best #14, I just conceded I could live with people seeing NAW/Mathurin/Sharpe being the same tier.

Also, it looks like I have him at #13. Powell I have below him.

Either way - #5 is CRAZY.

I guess we'll see during this season. He's on an upward trajectory and a lot of the guys in your ~#10 range are due for regression. (Clarke, Wiggins, Olynyk), and we have a big ? in Edey. I'm also pretty down on all the IND guys repeating their career highs from last year, so I'm down on Nembhard too.

I think for this upcoming season, I'd put him in that 8-10ishg range. #5 is definitely his high upside.

[arbsn]

Great work on this list! I agree with most of the rankings.

Kind of a shock at how old some of our guys are getting. The golden generation of Can Bball was in it's prime this Olympics. Really unfortunate Wiggins and TT weren't involved. Hopefully some of the young guys like Sharpe and Mathurin take leaps to extend our window.

Our prime might be next cycle tbh.

SGA would be 30, Jamal 31, Barret 28, Brooks 32, Sharpe 25, Dort 29, Nembard 28, Edey 26. That is our 8 best guys in or around their primes.

You lose Powell / Olynyk / BIrch / Ejim / Lyles, but you hope you get contributions from Edey, and by then Kabengele or Alexander are serviceable backup bigs.

Plus, who knows what prospects come out in the next 4 years. But we do desperately need to develop some size.

Very true and I sure hope so.

I guess when I think of the golden age of Can BBALL I think back on how I assumed TT, Wiggins, Cojo, Pangos, Ennis, etc would have us competing for medals

[SharoneWright]

Sharpe's about to go boom!