OT: Clinton or Bush?

[moocow007]

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all I hear is the chorus of this song when I read this thread lmao

[MrDollarBills]

$1200 dollars.

I think this was one of his actually cunning moves, he stalled the process to ensure his signature was on every check

So despite the fact that Biden did more stimulus than him and sent bigger checks to people, because Trump's name was on the first ones in big, bold letters, he gets the credit

People in general are just kinda easily swayed by cheap tricks.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

Trump is incompetent in many ways, but when it comes to scamming and conning people, he is a master at his craft.

I remember a long time ago, someone said that if you ask Donald Trump what time of day it is, he'll lie to you about it just to keep in practice.

[MrDollarBills]

Babe Ruth was a real one when it came to integration and the Negro Leagues. Iykyk

[MrDollarBills]

Think it's important to also note what's happening to the Haitian community in Springfield too.

Yep.

Shout out to the Black folks who are openly talking about leaning towards voting for Trump by the way, because "he" sent out those $1200 checks 4 years ago. Meanwhile this dude and the couch f*cker are saying we eat cats and dogs, and his new racist ass spokeswoman/community semen dumpster Laura Loomer saying that the White house is gonna smell like "Curry and Colla greens" if Kamala wins.

$1200 dollars.

the American Rescue Plan gave a larger stimulus check & a child tax credit.

Yep. A tax credit that the GOP let expire.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. I've been alive since Reagan. Joe Biden has been the most progressive President of my lifetime and it isn't even close. For a center right country like ours, that means a lot. No, he was not perfect and I wish he slapped the sh*t out of Bibi over Gaza (and that in itself is an oversimplified take on a conflict that predates his political career). But he actually did a lot of good for Americans. Not just those who voted for him.

[Luv those Knicks]

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that's a super charitable and naive take. are you implying the govt is in fact worthy of our unquestioning trust and that they have seen the light? it's human nature; "absolute power corrupts absolutely"

LOL, and no.

And I worried after I'd had that little tiff with Spree that it could be misinterpreted.

Does the government lie - of course they do. Unquestioning trust, of course not.

And Spree made a list of examples, which is nice. I can give you a list of examples for why Babe Ruth was a terrible baseball player, but that doesn't make it so.

1) Too many strikeouts
2) Slow, can't run, can't steal bases
3) Bad fielder
4) Bat teammate
5) Unprofessional in his off-time
6) Doesn't listen to coaching
5) Overpaid.

There you have it. Babe Ruth isn't a good baseball player because . . . I made a list. Obviously, this is silly but take something like climate change, that's basically accepted as studied and verified truth, that every scientific organization and virtually every nation in the world agrees with. I've seen very long and very convincing lists about why man-made climate change is wrong, and those lists are meaningless, because one by one, every example can be explained as to why it doesn't meet the criteria of a debunk. A list doesn't prove a trend. It's not that easy.

So, I confess, I was reacting to his list, in a "come on, not this again" reaction and I should do better. I should just turn away next time.

And he's right, many times, the Government has lied. But his point seems to be that the lying is the primary thing government is . . . until he dialed it back and he said he posted that meme as a joke, but a few posts earlier, he was "challenging people's world view" . . . so I'm not sure he debated honestly.

This is my problem with his posts, in addition to just posting a list. He seems to think that the lies are so prevalent that both sides are the same. Biden lies just as much as Trump so it doesn't matter. I have a problem with that point of view because I think it's flagrantly untrue.

He liked occupy WallStreet, but he hates liberals. He thinks the all-powerful government shut down occupy WallStreet, but liberals today are telling everyone to drink the Kool-Aid and telling everyone what to do? I don't think that's a fair assessment of liberals and I KNOW a lot of liberals. I'm speaking from knowing many personally. So, we've butted heads before and it's just a thing I need to dial down.

He was right about angry bug-eyed lady though. I thought she was occupy WallStreet, but she was protesting Trump on one side of a fence, on the other, a Trump supporter and they were. It's still Ironic though because the first time "Angry feminist" appeared was on Alex Jones channel, where Jones wrote "Trump supporters shut down protestors" - that was 2016.

But today, in 2024, there's a meme of the same photo that says "Left Wing 2020s, F*ck you do what they tell you" - how does that make any sense? It's like the truth no longer means anything, and just say whatever you can about liberals, and I'm tired of that.

Call people out all you want, you know, if you must, but call them out for what they did, not what you've made up.

OK, so that's my take on that, but I don't think I've answered your post.

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I have more sympathy for government than most because I think governing is hard. I think it's incredibly important to get the right people elected, who try to make good choices for the people, so I tend to be very concerned about who wins elections but less concerned about the evil in government. More concerned about the evil in individuals.

Should government go unchecked? I think if you're not specific to individuals it's a waste of time. "Government" isn't anything specific. People get voted or chosen for office and those people make choices. So "don't trust government" . . . OK, but where do you go with that? I mean, sure. It's true enough, don't blindly accept what government tells you, but if you're not talking about individual people, you're much too generalized for me. It's not interesting and it's not helpful.

So, when ask me:

"are you implying the govt is in fact worthy of our unquestioning trust?"

No. I wasn't implying that at all, and I even said government lies more than once, but I then turned it back on Spree and pointed out that lying isn't the only thing, it's not even the primary thing that government does, which seemed to be what he was implying. When I say "it's not all lies", that's not the same thing as offering unquestioning trust. I think that should be obvious.

When you say

" that they have seen the light?"

This bothers me. What does this actually mean. Lets pretend that we get Jim Carry from liar liar elected to office? Then what? Would not being able to tell a lie fix everything? Would it make the withdrawal from Afghanistan any easier? Would it make reducing inflation easier, or the national debt, or climate change, or the partisan battle going on? Would it fix the supreme court or the guns issue? Would it solve the debate on trans-rights? Elect a saint and we'd still have the same problems we have now, because the problems aren't simply fixed by "lets finally do the right thing. THAT'S Nieve. OK, maybe we avoid the Vietnam war if LBJ doesn't set up the gulf of Tonkin, and in a sense, he took responsibility for that by not choosing to run for a 2nd term, and John McCain said that Vietnam was actually good, despite it's unpopularity, because it showed the Russians we wouldn't let them do whatever they want. I don't think McCain is right, but I do think there's some room for debate and it goes beyond "how could they do the wrong thing there", or Bush's fake yellowcake report shortly after 9-11 to get votes to invade Iraq. In hindsight, a big mistake, but let me ask you this? Do you want Saddam back? Would 15 more years of Saddam have been better? I still think Bush was wrong to push so hard for the Iraq war, but there are shades of grey. There almost always are. It's not like Obama's peace keeping efforts and attempts to support regional protest supported new governments fared any better. Obama really tried, but foreign policy is hard.

I think Obama was more honest than not. I think Biden was more honest than not. I think Clinton was a bit more underhanded, but he generally had good intensions for the country. I think even Trump has good intentions for the country, but I think he's a lying, vindictive, cruel, self-serving scumbag who caters to the powerful far right when he ran on the promise that he'd stand against the rich and wall-street, but he's done nothing but serve them. I also think he's an ignoramus. Utterly incompetent and he's done things that are bad for America, because he thought it would improve his election chances. That's the absolutely worst type of person that could be elected.

So, when you ask me "have they seen the light?", I have a few answers. What good would it do if they did? What dark secrets do you think would be uncovered if they had? OK, maybe the NSA never spies on foreign countries and that was embarrassing. Edward Snowden did embarrass the US government, and we even spied on allies, and that's a mess, but that's only a small part of what goes on in the government. Would I have liked it better if Obama (I think it was Obama at the time) had told the NSA, shut it down. Yes, that would have been a better choice from my perspective, but I don't think that one decision means it's all lies. I still think Obama had the best intentions for the people in the USA most of the time. I still think he was generally fair, a good diplomat, and interested in raising the standard of living for the lower half, not just trickle down, and that's much harder, but I think it's a better approach.

That's why I didn't really care if it was Hillary or Bernie because I knew that congress would block both of their ideas and it wouldn't make much difference. I never understood democrats who were so heartbroken and outraged when Hillary won. Were they not watching what congress did, blocking Obama for 8 years? Bernie would make some pretty speeches from the Oval office I'm sure, but he's less savvy than Obama. Do you really think he'd change much? If you want the kinds of changes Bernie was promising, you'd need 60 Bernie's in the senate and a majority in the house and then you could get Bernie's ideas written into law, but one Bernie in the oval office, come on. Not much changes. Maybe the foreign policy is different, but domestically, economically? Not a big difference. That's why I was fine with either one, and oh boy did some of my liberal acquaintances curse at me for that one. I was a centrist, not a liberal. hmm. OK. You heard me say I was fine with Bernie, right? I'm a tax the rich, ban guns, pro-choice, pro-environment and former hippie, but I'm a centrist because I didn't bang the drum for Bernie.

And don't get me started on Edward Snowden because . . . OK, he exposed something he believed was wrong but he also put US citizens who were overseas lives at risk and gave up some US tactical advantages to other nations. He made it easier for Russia to invade Crimea and parts of the Ukraine because they had access to US spy satellite information.

to quote morgan freeman

Seen the light? Now let me see. You know, I don't have any idea what that means.

when you say:

"it's human nature; "absolute power corrupts absolutely"

I heard that in school too, but you're missing something. Obama got told "No" a LOT. Biden got told "No" a Lot.

Have you read Machiavelli? "The Prince". How to rule? There's a lot of cut-throat stuff in there, but one of the things Machiavelli says that applies today is "don't surround yourself with yes-men. If you're going to lead, have people who will challenge and disagree with you around you".

Obama made 100 promises to win the election, then when he got into office, the republicans delayed Al Sharpton for months, so he never had the 60 votes. Then he had it for about 8 weeks, then Ted Kennedy dies and a rare republican victory in Massachusetts happened. Also, some of those 60 votes were centrist democrats or independents. Joe Lieberman campaigned for John McCain against Obama and he was one of the 60 senators in Obama's so called "filibuster proof" senate. Lieberman played spoiler to Obama's healthcare plan, basically gutting it before it even made it to his desk. Mitch McConnell played spoiler to Obama every way he could. Obama was told no a hell of a lot more than he was told yes. How much power do you think he really had?

Trump was also told no, early in office, many times.

Trump to congress "Give me money to build a wall" Congress "No, not unless you give us something really good back, like full amnesty to the dreamers would have done it" - Trump wouldn't do that. He didn't care as much that the wall was built, he cared that he'd look bad if he compromised, so he never got this wall, his primary promise, because congress said no.

Trump to Jeff Sessions "Head up the Russia investigations because you're my guy and you can keep me informed and we can dial it down" - Sessions said no. That would have been a gross conflict of interest and sessions knew that. Sessions correctly recused himself, effectively saying "No way, Donnie, not a chance". Trump never forgave sessions for that, or so I've read.

Trump to James Comey, after Comey helped him beat Hillary. (I'm paraphrasing with this one), but Trump said "You're my guy, right? You work for me". Comey reportedly said nothing during their first meeting, but he left very disturbed. Some time later, Trump fired Comey and Comey wrote a book about Trump. I don't think either guy came out looking good on this one.

As time went on, Trump surrounded himself with more and more "yes" men. Bill Barr was (in my opinion) an absolute scoundrel who'd do anything short of breaking the law to help Trump. Even Barr, in time, grew to think Trump was a terrible politician and a terrible person.

Trump to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. "Find me 12,000 votes" and we all know how that worked out.

The US constitution was set up with checks and balances. Politicians are told no a lot. FDR wanted to expand the supreme court. He was told to pound sand. His own party wouldn't back him on that venture, though there's no specific reference to any one person telling FDR those words. FDR had more power than any president since but even he couldn't do everything he wanted. He was met with resistance and told no more than once.

Does power corrupt? Well, sure. This is the full quote in a letter moralist Lord Acton sent to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men"

though he didn't come up with the idea, it had been around for some time. It's not a very surprising idea.

This is the question that I think is worth asking, given that US politicians are limited by their fellow politicians. Corruption requires teamwork. This happens more at the state level than the national level, because there's less visibility. Less media coverage. There's some, but less.

Do I think Obama became corrupt when he became president? Hard no from me.

Do I think Biden became corrupt when he became president? Again, hard no. I don't see it. Do you?

Do I think Trump became corrupt when he became president? I think Trump was already corrupt. That's who he was going in. Though I think the throne in his case, may have corrupted him more.

But if you think I'm wrong. If you think Obama became corrupt when he got the seat of power, give me some examples. I already mentioned what I think was his error with the NSA, so . . . maybe on that one. It's possible he didn't even know. Maybe that's thin, but it's possible.

See, the difference between Spree and Me, is Spree wants to say "both sides are corrupt and I'm sorry if that upsets your world view". I want details. I want specifics. I'm willing to be wrong, and I invite counter arguments. I'm willing to dig deep into why I said the things I said and why I believe what I believe.

But no, I don't think we should blindly accept government. I do think, often, the libertarian point of view, the "fear big government", the "The statist government is biggest problem we have", misses the point. We need government if we're going to solve climate change or avoid price gouging. Address things like recession or inflation. We need government for anti-terrorism and national defense, and that doesn't make everything government does right but "fear big government" feels like a lack of understanding to me.

Elect good people. That's where my attention is at. And try to dial back the partisan war a little. That too. I don't fear big government. I fear people who vote far right almost universally, because they fear big government. That doesn't feel like a legitimate solution to a problem they don't even understand . . . but that's just me. They passion of many far-right voters, and their scale in numbers scare me more than government does, at least, so far. Maybe if our government becomes a dictatorship that will change, but for now, the voters and the hot tempers in the USA scare me more than the government.

All of that said, I'm open to correction.

too long?

Yes LOL.
I respect you're thoroughness and thoughtfulness, though. I'll marinate on this for a bit and get back soon enough.

If this thread gets locked, feel free to write me directly. I'm always down for some good conversation.

[8516knicks]

Yeah this dude definitely has some red on his ledger

He only accepts payments in gold bars.

Or gravy.

[Luv those Knicks]

What's a subject you'd like to discuss. I personally think trans rights is interesting. It's complicated. There are sports issues, which are valid both pro and con. And hormones, especially before the age of 18 is a tricky subject. I don't come down hard on one side or the other, though I lean liberal on the topic, but I think it's interesting.

I don't think it's really that complicated

The people who study gender dysphoria for a living have a treatment that works, which includes hormone therapy before adulthood. I think we should listen to the experts

And for the sports issue, there simply isn't enough data to say. We need to study the effects of transitioning on athleticism, especially seeing if going through puberty before transitioning has distinct effects compared to people who begin transition before going through puberty

So let 'em play until there's sufficient evidence to say they shouldn't. Like, there's a young woman in China right now named Zhang Ziyu who's 7 feet tall and plays basketball. That's honestly a huge advantage for her, more than any other female basketball player yet it won't be seen as unfair for her to compete in the Olympics in 4 years. Functionally, would trans women be that much more of outliers? I don't think so, but like I said, we need more data before we can evaluate.

We're going off on a few subjects in this one, but I think it is complicated.

There are three key issues here, as I see it.

One: Should trans people be allowed to transition and legally change their sex, and I say, sure. Why not. But it raises a few issues, like the trans woman who wanted a beauty salon to wax her testicles (I love the term, her testicles, because, I just do), but they refused, so she sued them. (The salon won), or the trans woman who wanted to join a woman's only on-line forum, in that case, she won. It doesn't just stop at public bathrooms . . . this is a legal mess at the fringes, but I'm almost universally OK with sex transitioning myself. Not all sexes are crystal clear at birth anyway, so sex transitioning and intersex at birth really should be recognized.

Two: What about before the age of consent? Do parents have the right to veto, or should a 14 or 15 year old have the right to start taking hormones to transition? Often, this can make the transition smoother, but what happens if a kid starts the hormones before 18, then in their 20s, changes their mind? Should they always wait till they're 18 and past the age where they have full legal rights, or should it start sooner. This is a tricky one for me. I think Biden even put some limitations on before 18 hormone therapy and he was criticized by the trans community. Some of the more liberal nations in the UK have looked at restrictions on hormone therapy as well. The republicans, meanwhile, always taking the low bar, are using this for propaganda "They're going after your kids" Pro Trans activists are talking to your children in schools - crazy talk but believe me, I've met people who consider this an assault on their freedoms. Far right People are crazy.

And three, Sports. The two olympic boxers weren't even Trans. But they were high testosterone which gave them some male features. Give a lady testosterone and she looks more like a man. If this is a natural condition, that borders on the intersex spectrum and I'm not certain that should be legal in the olympics. Most independent boxing organizations said those two women were ineligible, but they were eligible in the olympics. These are woman, obviously. They have "V"s, they can probably even get pregnant, but higher testosterone is a competitive advantage and it's not just those two women and again, these women aren't even trans. But I think this is a complex issue with no easy solution. I thought the hate the two lady boxes got during and after the olympics was terrible, but I'm not convinced that they should have been allowed to compete.

Anyway, I'm not well studied on this, I've only glanced at it as a curiosity, but I do think it's a complex issue.

There was a young man who transitioned at a young age a while back, her (correct pronoun) school gave her trouble about using the girls bathroom so she transferred schools and her new school embraced her, even let her join the girls soccer team and I think that's fine. What if it was a competitive team which could have lead to a scholarship for some of the girls? It gets complicated. But casual sports - let them play. The other school should be told beforehand of course. If she's built like Iona Maher when she transitions, the other school has every right to say no, but keep it open and honest. Have a discussion about it. Certainly, stop hating it.

And look. I love Iona Maher. I love that she's breaking new grounds on what a woman should look like. I love that she's challenging haters and she's not high-T like Imane Khelif but she's built like a free safety and most women aren't. USA's first gold medal in Rugby. You go girl, but I digress.

Anyway, I'm 90%, maybe 95%-98% pro trans, but in sporting competitions, stuff where wining matters and can lead to trophies and scholarships, I'm less certain. I think there are valid reasons for objection and where is the solution to this? It's complicated. At least to my tiny brain.

like this issue, for example. At a compeition being matched up against a trans athlete can be unsettling and arguably even unfair and women are starting to withdraw from competitions over this and I don't think they're wrong. BJJ involved choke outs and submissions and certainly a careful discussion should be had on trans rights vs fair compeition and where lines should be drawn.

https://torontosun.com/news/world/fearful-female-jiu-jitsu-fighters-skip-event-over-transgender-athletes

This is not simple.

My not well thought out solution, create a trans olympics and trans competitions. Let them compete, but keep a boundary on women who can compete somewhat strict. I have no idea if that's right and I've not studied this, and it should be studied and discussed before it's made open for all. That's my 2-penny solution. That would probably piss off the repubs even more if we start having trans olympics and trans competitions, and it would raise trans awareness, so why not? Why not have a trans and intersex games?

60 minutes had a great segment about a trans-man. A woman, athlete and swimmer who transitioned into joining the boys swim team. Granted, that's different because she went from Championship female to end of the bench male, so there were no hurt feelings. Nobody cried "that's not fair"

But it's a great video and worth a watch.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-harvard-transgender-swimmer-schuyler-bailar/

But I still think there are some complicated legal issues here and I hate how the republicans are handling this, but I disagree with you that it's simple.

I don't know anything about Zhang Ziyu. Like Iona Maher, it might just be a natural advantage. I think, DNA catches up pretty fast and as women play more sports, this kind of "freak advantage" will become more common. Basketball is a little different though. I could be wrong, but I don't think they check for high-T. And . . . without actually studing this, maybe I shouldn't be so opinionated on it.

Margo Dydek was 7'2 and she played in the WNBA. Only a one time allstar, but among the leaders in blocked shots.
Brittney Griner, looks kind of manish to me and 6'9, but sports is about freaks of nature in a sense. Lebron is kind of a freak of nature not in his size, but his combination of size and coordination. That's very unusual. The mail man is kind of a freak of nature.

I don't know if Brittney Griner is medically high-T, I've only seen it reported as "May have high-T", but that, in her case, in lady college basketball and the WNBA, that won't disqualify her from playing, so I don't know why the IBA came out and disqualified Imane Khelif but Brittney Griner's testosterone isn't officially reported. Maybe she's as high-T as Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting, maybe she's not, and I'm fine with not knowing. I don't have a problem with Brittney Griner playing in the WNBA. I think she probably improves the league, even if she's a 9 time allstar, but I think there are questions that aren't easily answered, and the IBA banned those two boxers that the olympics approved. That's not simple.

Anyway, and again, just my 2 cents and I've not given this any kind of research in any detail. I will say again, the way the republicans are handling this is all wrong and anyone who sends hate mail to Imane Khelif, come on. Not fair and not deserved. She's not even trans and she was born high-T, she didn't cheat. The IOC made a decision. I'm not sure they made the right decision, but these aren't easy decisions to make. There's no clear and simple dividing line to draw on where the competition becomes unfair. Most athletes have higher than normal testosterone anyway so "High-T" is certainly to an extent, an arbitrary decision.

https://www.iba.sport/news/iba-clarifies-the-facts-the-letter-to-the-ioc-regarding-two-ineligible-boxers-was-sent-and-acknowledged/

anyway . . . my posts are too long. It's what I do.

[Clyde_Style]

Think it's important to also note what's happening to the Haitian community in Springfield too.

Those poor people are being doxxed and bomb threated by MAGAts. The mayor is pissed off. The family whose son died because of a Haitian driver held a press conference to tell Trump to stop using their son's death to spread hate against the Haitian community.

JD Vance doubled down and continued to spread pet eater memes.

These people are sick in the head

[Capn'O]

Think it's important to also note what's happening to the Haitian community in Springfield too.

There’s not enough contempt for pieces of trash like JD Vance and Trump.

Read on Twitter

This is some blood libel **** and they know exactly what they're doing.

[Clyde_Style]

Think it's important to also note what's happening to the Haitian community in Springfield too.

There’s not enough contempt for pieces of trash like JD Vance and Trump.

Read on Twitter

This is some blood libel **** and they know exactly what they're doing.

One of the things that make it all the more galling is it is those very immigrants who helped prop up their local economy with their labor, hard work and entrepreneurship.

[MrDollarBills]

Can’t nobody shoot straight? Bunch of clowns.

These losers practice their shooting in Call of Duty lobbies and end up realizing that bullets don't work that way in real life.

They also find out that they can't respawn once they got shot by people who know how to use a firearm. Let me tell you from experience, bullets burn like hellfire once they make contact and your only thoughts at that point is whether or not this is the end

Okay. I completely believe you. But now I have to hear more about this you badass.

Eh, nothing glamorous at all.

Spoiler:

Back when I lived in my old hometown I was leaving a BBQ when some ass hole sped around the corner and started shooting at everyone. Wrong place, wrong time, it wasn't meant for me but someone at the party who was f*cking some girl that was, for lack of a better word, communal, and the shooter couldn't handle it. I got hit once in the upper back/shoulder area. I got very, very lucky. I can still remember the burning sensation, it felt like someone was stabbing me with a hot knife. To this day I'm always keeping an eye out anytime someone drives around the corner, but less so now that I live in a nicer area. PTSD is fun.

Men are emotionally fragile creatures that cannot be trusted, which is why I am eager to vote for Kamala Harris.

[MrDollarBills]

Think it's important to also note what's happening to the Haitian community in Springfield too.

There’s not enough contempt for pieces of trash like JD Vance and Trump.

Read on Twitter

This is some blood libel **** and they know exactly what they're doing.

They're trying to get someone killed.

I was waiting for the day that MAGA would openly come for Black people, and here we are. In a way, I'm glad they've stopped pretending that they're not white supremacist garbage.

JD Vance is such a pussy. I'd love to see him cry so that his eye liner runs down his cheeks.

[MrDollarBills]

There’s not enough contempt for pieces of trash like JD Vance and Trump.

Read on Twitter

This is some blood libel **** and they know exactly what they're doing.

One of the things that make it all the more galling is it is those very immigrants who helped prop up their local economy with their labor, hard work and entrepreneurship.

Haitians, like all Caribbean immigrants, come here to work hard, educate their kids, and build a better life for the next generation. My parents are no different.

I consider an attack on Haitians as an attack on all of us.

But as a person of West Indian descent, I'll tell you one thing: the last enemy you want to make in this world are Haitians. Ask the bitch ass French. They made those pussies run and the island has been paying for it ever since.

[Clyde_Style]

These losers practice their shooting in Call of Duty lobbies and end up realizing that bullets don't work that way in real life.

They also find out that they can't respawn once they got shot by people who know how to use a firearm. Let me tell you from experience, bullets burn like hellfire once they make contact and your only thoughts at that point is whether or not this is the end

Okay. I completely believe you. But now I have to hear more about this you badass.

Eh, nothing glamorous at all.

Spoiler:

Back when I lived in my old hometown I was leaving a BBQ when some ass hole sped around the corner and started shooting at everyone. Wrong place, wrong time, it wasn't meant for me but someone at the party who was f*cking some girl that was, for lack of a better word, communal, and the shooter couldn't handle it. I got hit once in the upper back/shoulder area. I got very, very lucky. I can still remember the burning sensation, it felt like someone was stabbing me with a hot knife. To this day I'm always keeping an eye out anytime someone drives around the corner, but less so now that I live in a nicer area. PTSD is fun.

Men are emotionally fragile creatures that cannot be trusted, which is why I am eager to vote for Kamala Harris.

[MrDollarBills]

Okay. I completely believe you. But now I have to hear more about this you badass.

Eh, nothing glamorous at all.

Spoiler:

Back when I lived in my old hometown I was leaving a BBQ when some ass hole sped around the corner and started shooting at everyone. Wrong place, wrong time, it wasn't meant for me but someone at the party who was f*cking some girl that was, for lack of a better word, communal, and the shooter couldn't handle it. I got hit once in the upper back/shoulder area. I got very, very lucky. I can still remember the burning sensation, it felt like someone was stabbing me with a hot knife. To this day I'm always keeping an eye out anytime someone drives around the corner, but less so now that I live in a nicer area. PTSD is fun.

Men are emotionally fragile creatures that cannot be trusted, which is why I am eager to vote for Kamala Harris.

That couch looks like a whore who is begging for the JD Vance experience.

[Pointgod]

Donald Trump is a significant reason why U.S. politics is so **** right now. Everything wrong with politics, Trump has either influenced or has his hand in. This is obviously bigger than the U.S. as well but this thread is on a U.S. issue.

This takes the blame off of the GOP

Trump wouldn't be relevant without the approval of the Republicans. Not just MAGA, the "reasonable" or "moderate" Republicans who will cast their votes for him for a 3rd time in a couple months.

Donald Trump is a uniquely terrible piece of **** in American politics. Never has a President refused the transfer of power and tried to attempt a coup. The man is so toxic and repugnant that even Republicans have tried to kill him. This isn’t to excuse the Republicans that have made every single excuse in the book for him and demonstrated that they are absolute cowards. The state of American politics wouldn’t be where it is with Romney or McCain at the head of the party. And this isn’t to romanticize their terrible policies but you can’t just not talk about the terrible effect that the convicted criminal rapist has had on global politics.

[Pointgod]

This is some blood libel **** and they know exactly what they're doing.

One of the things that make it all the more galling is it is those very immigrants who helped prop up their local economy with their labor, hard work and entrepreneurship.

Haitians, like all Caribbean immigrants, come here to work hard, educate their kids, and build a better life for the next generation. My parents are no different.

I consider an attack on Haitians as an attack on all of us.

But as a person of West Indian descent, I'll tell you one thing: the last enemy you want to make in this world are Haitians. Ask the bitch ass French. They made those pussies run and the island has been paying for it ever since.

Trump attacked Haitians and then his own supporter wanted to kill him…. Coincidence maybe not.

[Stannis]

Hope you're doing better. I had a nasty case of bronchitis that came out of nowhere that beat my ass the last 10 days.

This winter is gonna be nasty.

TY. I'm doing much better. I was more worried for my mom.

She also had what the doctors believed to be bronchitis and/or a sinus infection. Tested negative for covid. I ended up getting sick and thought I just picked up a similar virus. My mom ended up getting symptoms back. This time, covid positive. I then also tested positive.

I'm more hopeful for the winter. Americans tend to take flu season and the colder weather more seriously than the warmer seasons, including my dumbass.

[spree8]

This is interesting lol. And what’s up with both shooters being in these commercials?

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