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Re: Breaking: Rogers Aquires Bell Stake In MLSE 

Post#121 » by Reeko » Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:54 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Giving one entity complete control over the entire Toronto sports landscape, especially when the entity is run by Ed Rogers, is probably not ideal. At least with the old structure, you had a few people in the room and they had to come to an agreement over the path forward.

Ed Rogers isn't a forward thinker. He relies on a duopoly to maintain his wealth. He didn't want to pay the best exec in Raps history only two years removed from a title. He went as far as filing a complaint with the league against Larry T because he didn't get his way. He voted against the WNBA team. His own family wants him removed as company chair. He's not someone you want leading anything and I don't see how he's much different than James Dolan.

I'm pretty pessimistic overall.


Ed Rogers lack of forward thinking was also why his very own father heavily favoured Nadir Mohammed as a successor over him.

Nadir Mohammed was the one who helped transform Rogers into a wireless company, while his own son was stuck thinking about cable TV.

Ed Rogers literally has no idea how to make money, and is the epitome of a trust fund baby

So what happened? Why didn't Nadir get the nod? How was Ed able to hold on to the reins when his own father wanted someone else at the helm?
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Re: Breaking: Rogers Aquires Bell Stake In MLSE 

Post#122 » by ontnut » Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:57 pm

Taking one step closer to hopping on the OKC/Shai bandwagon.
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Re: Breaking: Rogers Aquires Bell Stake In MLSE 

Post#123 » by Lord_Zedd » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:00 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Giving one entity complete control over the entire Toronto sports landscape, especially when the entity is run by Ed Rogers, is probably not ideal. At least with the old structure, you had a few people in the room and they had to come to an agreement over the path forward.

Ed Rogers isn't a forward thinker. He relies on a duopoly to maintain his wealth. He didn't want to pay the best exec in Raps history only two years removed from a title. He went as far as filing a complaint with the league against Larry T because he didn't get his way. He voted against the WNBA team. His own family wants him removed as company chair. He's not someone you want leading anything and I don't see how he's much different than James Dolan.

I'm pretty pessimistic overall.


Ed Rogers lack of forward thinking was also why his very own father heavily favoured Nadir Mohammed as a successor over him.

Nadir Mohammed was the one who helped transform Rogers into a wireless company, while his own son was stuck thinking about cable TV.

Ed Rogers literally has no idea how to make money, and is the epitome of a trust fund baby

So what happened? Why didn't Nadir get the nod? How was Ed able to hold on to the reins when his own father wanted someone else at the helm?


Ed Rogers didn't. The board unanimously voted in Nadir as the successor once Ted Rogers passed away.

Only reason Ed Rogers is up there today is an insane power play
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Re: Breaking: Rogers Aquires Bell Stake In MLSE 

Post#124 » by Basketball_Jones » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:01 pm

I don’t know what this means but I do know Bell has been bleeding money for years not sure how Roger’s is king still
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Re: Breaking: Rogers Aquires Bell Stake In MLSE 

Post#125 » by ForeverTFC » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:03 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Giving one entity complete control over the entire Toronto sports landscape, especially when the entity is run by Ed Rogers, is probably not ideal. At least with the old structure, you had a few people in the room and they had to come to an agreement over the path forward.

Ed Rogers isn't a forward thinker. He relies on a duopoly to maintain his wealth. He didn't want to pay the best exec in Raps history only two years removed from a title. He went as far as filing a complaint with the league against Larry T because he didn't get his way. He voted against the WNBA team. His own family wants him removed as company chair. He's not someone you want leading anything and I don't see how he's much different than James Dolan.

I'm pretty pessimistic overall.


Ed Rogers lack of forward thinking was also why his very own father heavily favoured Nadir Mohammed as a successor over him.

Nadir Mohammed was the one who helped transform Rogers into a wireless company, while his own son was stuck thinking about cable TV.

Ed Rogers literally has no idea how to make money, and is the epitome of a trust fund baby

So what happened? Why didn't Nadir get the nod? How was Ed able to hold on to the reins when his own father wanted someone else at the helm?


In 2000, Ted Rogers lured Nadir Mohamed, a senior VP at the then-fledgling Telus, to be Rogers’ new COO and the head of its wireless division. Mohamed is credited with ­changing the wireless business model from pre-paid to post-paid contracts, opening the door to massive profits. Rogers and Mohamed were an unlikely yet formidable team. Rogers was intuitive and gutsy, Mohamed conservative and disciplined. They didn’t always agree on things, but Rogers appreciated Mohamed’s attempts to keep him in check.

In 2004, Rogers bought Microcell, owner of the Fido brand as well as the country’s only other provider of GSM wireless network technology. It was a ridiculously savvy and lucrative move. GSM is standard in Europe and used throughout much of the world, and it allowed Rogers customers to roam while travelling outside the country. As the owner of the only GSM network in Canada, Rogers became the exclusive carrier of the iPhone when it launched in Canada in 2008.

To say that Rogers’ mobile division was successful would be like saying Babe Ruth was pretty good at swinging a bat. The company hit it out of the park—repeatedly. By luck or by design, it leapfrogged over its competitors, Bell and Telus, and became the darling of Bay Street. It could barely keep up with subscriptions, and the money was pouring in. Over the ­six-year period from 2004 to 2010, wireless revenues grew by 155 per cent, mushrooming to $6.9 billion in 2010. The success fundamentally transformed the company from a cable business with a wireless division to a wireless business with a cable division, and made Mohamed a golden child within Rogers and something of a favourite son for Ted.

This did not go over well with Edward, who had been made president and CEO of Rogers Cable in 2003, after John Tory left to pursue a career in politics. According to insiders, Edward would sit alongside his father and Mohamed at the conference room table and report on his division’s middling but stable results. He couldn’t help it if cable was no longer a growth industry and Mohamed lucked into an exploding market. After each successive record-breaking quarter, more of the attention and resources were thrown at wireless, not to Edward and his team of cable execs. The division between mobile and cable—and, more importantly, the underlying tensions between Nadir Mohamed and Edward Rogers—formed the backdrop to the succession battle that followed.


A ton more here; it's a massive power play and a ton of backdoor politics to get Ed what he believes should have always been his: https://torontolife.com/from-the-archives/edward-rogers-the-man-who-would-be-king/

Ed has won multiple battles in Rogers by playing politics. There is a reason why he wanted to replace AA and has gone after Masai. His father favored a rising star just like them over him.
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Re: Breaking: Rogers Aquires Bell Stake In MLSE 

Post#126 » by redeye514 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:04 pm

CPT wrote:Gotta hope the WNBA team is good.


I think the WNBA team is good. In fact, Ed's first order of business will be to upgrade their change rooms, which will conveniently be right next to his office.
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Re: Breaking: Rogers Aquires Bell Stake In MLSE 

Post#127 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:09 pm

Ed Rogers is a complete fool. Masai delivered a chip and massively increased the value of the Raptors and in part increased Roger's investment for the club. Is $15M a lot? For a Pres, sure, but look at where the NBA is going. No different than a multi billion corp CEO getting paid $20M+ a year.

Then had the nerve to accuse him of this and tell the board to let Bobby run things for a 1/4 of the price.

The conflict came to a head when the two met at Rogers’ Lake Rosseau cottage, where Rogers said that Ujiri was “arrogant,” that he arrived with “bodyguards,” and that he failed to share his vision for the team

However, an NBA source said Ujiri was caught off guard by that interpretation of the meeting, which he thought had been amicable. The source also disputed that Ujiri brought bodyguards, saying Ujiri came with his long-time driver as well as the videographer for a charitable project..


That whole thing was nonsense

We better hope Keith Pelley has some pull
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Re: Breaking: Rogers Aquires Bell Stake In MLSE 

Post#128 » by JB7 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:10 pm

ontnut wrote:Taking one step closer to hopping on the OKC/Shai bandwagon.


Ya, Rogers taking control, and eventual loss of Masai probable eliminates any hope of bringing Shai back to TO one day.

Guess that means we just become OKC fans instead.....
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Re: Breaking: Rogers Aquires Bell Stake In MLSE 

Post#129 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:18 pm

Larry T also got in the way and Tim Leweike had to put the clamps on him to actually get things done. The good news is Ed Rogers doesn't think he knows anything about basketball, so there's no Steinbrenner effect going to take place. The bad news is everything he touches has turned to s*** and there's no way Masai is sticking around.
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Re: Breaking: Rogers Aquires Bell Stake In MLSE 

Post#130 » by Quattro » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:30 pm

I hear Richard Peddie is available. Ed Rogers new POBO?
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Re: Breaking: Rogers Aquires Bell Stake In MLSE 

Post#132 » by earth007 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:04 pm

Well, time to find another team to root for. It is going to be a sh*tshow with Ed calling the shots. Masai will walk in the next couple of years as well. End of an era folks. We are back to being the craptors.
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Post#133 » by ItsDanger » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:16 pm

Masai also got a % of franchise market value appreciation (amount is unknown). Something that any board would hesitate on.
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Re: Breaking: Rogers Aquires Bell Stake In MLSE 

Post#134 » by C_Money » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:16 pm

earth007 wrote:Well, time to find another team to root for. It is going to be a sh*tshow with Ed calling the shots. Masai will walk in the next couple of years as well. End of an era folks. We are back to being the craptors.


We’ve been the Craptors for the past 4 years.
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Post#135 » by Jerry Lucas » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:23 pm

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Post#136 » by Fairview4Life » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:26 pm

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earth007 wrote:Well, time to find another team to root for. It is going to be a sh*tshow with Ed calling the shots. Masai will walk in the next couple of years as well. End of an era folks. We are back to being the craptors.


We’ve been the Craptors for the past 4 years.


The last 4 years includes a 48 win season which would have been a franchise record pre Masai, a .500 season which would have been the 5th best season in franchise history pre Masai, and two years where we tanked for half the season, something fans were clamoring for both years. The Craptors years were all significantly worse, and in fact most people's problems with management has been because the team wasn't worse for longer.
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Post#137 » by Quattro » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:29 pm

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Post#138 » by ForeverTFC » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:29 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Masai also got a % of franchise market value appreciation (amount is unknown). Something that any board would hesitate on.


Show me a Sr. Executive of a multi-billion dollar company without RSUs/options vesting and I'll show you a fool.

Stop opining on things you have no clue about.
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Post#140 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:41 pm

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On the morning the Leafs opened another year with renewed aspirations — “to a degree, it’s Stanley Cup or bust,” said defenceman Morgan Rielly — Ed Rogers won. Not on the field, no. The Blue Jays are a mess, and for the last two and a half decades, that has been the only sports team Rogers owned in full.


But Rogers is now the king of Canadian sports. Wednesday, Rogers Communications announced it was buying Bell’s 37.5 per cent stake in Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment for $4.7 billion. That puts the company’s valuation at $12.53 billion, and gives Ed control of the Maple Leafs, the Raptors, the Blue Jays, Toronto FC, the Argonauts, plus Rogers Sportsnet, Scotiabank Arena, and the SkyDome.

Bell decided to focus on the core business, and pay off some debt. So now Ed Rogers controls it all.


Which means a lot will change. Not everything: Bell announced that TSN will keep the rights to Leafs and Raptors games for the next 20 years; that’s good for sports in Canada, because TSN remains the gold standard in sports broadcasting in this country.
After that? Yes, Larry Tanenbaum still owns 20 per cent of the company, after selling five per cent of his stake earlier this year to a Canadian pension fund, OMERS. But Tanenbaum and Rogers have been at odds a lot over the years, and especially recently, and while Larry has managed to extend the sunset clause in his ownership agreement before, the horizon is coming into view. Tanenbaum hasn’t been perfect, but he has been the human face of the franchises, and a wise and influential counsel. He was recently re-elected as the chairman of the NBA’s board of governors, and he is admired for his attention to detail.



‘A monopoly on Toronto sports’: MLSE deal gives Edward Rogers full control of city’s major sports teams
Rogers now owns 75 per cent of the Maple Leafs and Raptors’ parent company.
But this is the Rogers show, now, and it’s not clear that Tanenbaum could plan for that, whether or not he saw it coming. Will Larry be bought out in 2025, or 2026, when the deadline comes to trigger a potential sale. Tanenbaum has his WNBA team, which will be a minnow compared to MLSE’s whale.


Maybe this new era won’t be a disaster, but there is nothing in the history of Rogers and sports that tells you it will truly succeed. Under Rogers, the Jays have mostly been mediocre. The high water mark was practically a front-office coup against ownership’s budget constraints: then-GM Alex Anthopoulos and team president Paul Beeston saved money and used it to acquire David Price and Troy Tulowitzki at the 2015 deadline, and as the Jays were embarking on their best stretch of baseball in decades, Rogers was calling Beeston’s best friend, Jerry Reinsdorf, and asking him about replacing Beeston. Oops.
So Anthopoulos left to become one of the best executives in baseball somewhere else, and the result has been the last decade of Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins: no playoff wins, and limited ambition.



On the MLSE side, Ed was one who questioned investing in a WNBA team right before the Caitlin Clark era, and Rogers tried to block the re-signing of Raptors team president Masai Ujiri in 2021, and it was bizarre; after Ujiri visited his Muskoka cottage, Rogers called Ujiri arrogant and accused him of bringing bodyguards. Among other things, Ujiri does not travel with bodyguards.
But Bell and Tanenbaum won the argument, Ujiri was re-signed, and everyone has tried to appear amicable, and not make it personal. The franchise has since stumbled, and now the speculation on Ujiri’s timeline with the Raptors likely starts in earnest. His contract runs through 2026.


So what would give you confidence in Rogers and sports? Rogers is promising investment, and there is some evidence on the Jays side that could happen: Shapiro convinced ownership to pay for the $300-million renovation of the Rogers Centre, and a $100-million new training camp renovation in Florida, and a top-10 payroll, and maybe even the pursuit of Shohei Ohtani. It turned into a sad death march of a season, but they tried.
Of course, one reason the Jays have been mediocre is they never had ambition befitting their potential market; instead of being Canada’s team they were a corporate bauble, a line item, a telecommunications billboard. Like many teams, the Jays have truly reflected ownership.




Really, the problem with Rogers as an owner has always been that it’s a corporation, and any blood in its veins came from Ed, whose decision-making has never been impressive in sports, and now that is the DNA of Canada’s biggest sports teams. There is a natural comparison to New York sports magnate James Dolan: the son of a corporate giant who owns all the toys, and sometimes breaks them. The Knicks are in a good place right now, but Dolan’s dysfunction with the Knicks endures. MLSE president Keith Pelley has a much more interesting job now: he has to manage one owner, now.
Or maybe the Rogers empire, that big fish gorging in Canada’s small pond, will somehow truly commit to winning, hire or retain the right people, and make the right calls in one of the most competitive landscapes in the world. With this, Ed Rogers has a chance to remake his public legacy in this city and this country, beyond being the son of Ted. However it unfolds, it’s Ed’s world, now. Win or lose.

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