Reeko wrote:Scase wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:
Speaking of ROI, let me just take a big sip of tea and take a quick look at how much Bell paid for their 37.5% share in 2012.
You're completely ignoring the point he is making though.
The amount of money we spend on the FO vs the success the team has had for the last 4-5 years. Bell and Rogers both made money hand over fist buying the Raptors, but that had nothing to do with Masai, anyone in the FO, or the chip. The entire NBA has had an explosion of valuations since 2013.
Reeko wrote:So what's the next move? Total and complete ownership of all Toronto sports teams? Larry T just sells his shares to Rogers when his time is up? This is revolting. And people saying "Oh don't worry Rogers isn't cheap they spend so much money on the Blue Jays", you know who else wasn't scared of spending money? James Dolan, and look at what he did to the Knicks for the better part of 2 decades. Maybe it won't be as bad as many of us seem to think, but the fact still remains that the guy at the top of sports pyramid in this city is a blithering idiot.
It really depends on your definition of bad I think. Plenty of people who watch the Raps were completely content with the 7-10th place teams because it was "competitive" basketball. I suspect we go back to the BC era of basketball with the team consistently floating anywhere between 35-45 wins, with no real chance at anything aside from the occasional 1st round win.
Which quite frankly, most people are seemingly fine, with if the last few years are anything to go by. It's not all doom and gloom in the sense of seeing a product put forth on the level of a grunwald/babcock, but for anyone as a fan of the team actually having a chance to win something meaningful, it's probably not gonna happen. But again, that's been par for the course as of late, so I'm not seeing much of a change.
Well the major difference would be that the previous/current group has a track record of success going back a decade and actually won a championship. Rogers hasn't had any real success and when he has had it, however fleetingly, he sabotages himself and the sports franchise by alienating the people that actually made the team successful. Best case scenario is that Masai moves on, they keep Bobby and the rest of the team in place and they don't meddle too much in the team's day to day and basketball operations.
Yeah, that's kind of my expectation. Little Eddy over there doesn't seem to know or care much about basketball, so hopefully he just stays out of the way. It seems like his issue with Masai stemmed from his perception of "arrogance" on Masai's end, so less about knowing better, and more of the little man fragile ego thing.
Presumably you can both find a good pres/GM who also doesn't care much about stepping on toes and treats Ed like a child, patting on the head and saying "Yes totally, you're right" while just doing whatever he thinks is best for the franchise. At the end of the day, it's all about managing relationships and personalities, and probably some racism sprinkled in.
That's why I think the worst case is that we go back to the middling treadmill days, and not bottom of the league for a decade days. And like I said, we're already halfway there, so not much is going to change. My concern is what Masai does in the next 2 years that he's here, while presumably not giving a **** about the future cause he will be gone.
