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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At? 

Post#2221 » by R-DAWG » Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:28 pm

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My man, Thibs. I'm ready for a Randle/OG/Bridges/DD/JB death lineup.

Could Thibs actually be loosening up a bit as he ages?


Thibs went with some small ball lineups in the playoffs against Philly after Mitch got hurt. It's not what he desires, but sometimes the roster forces your hand. And the Knicks have a very unbalanced roster and Thibs is going to be picking between playing your best players or staying true to position.

Regarding Randle at the 5, I could see Thibs employing this lineup for 3-5 minute spurts in the non-Brunson minutes:

Duce-DDV-Bridges-Anunoby-Randle

On offense, your playing through Randle surrounded by shooting with DDV as a secondary playmaker

On defense, you offset not having rim protection with your best point of attack defender and two best wing defenders on the floor at the same time.
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Post#2222 » by finestrg » Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:48 pm

Broken record on this so I apologize, but it just makes me want to pull my hair out of my damn head.. I'm able to forget about it for a little bit but then something will trigger it again -- Thibs coming out and saying Randle will play some 5 (I mean in moderation, I guess, but what happens when Mitch ends up on the shelf?), the Lakers signing Christian Koloko (WTF on this? How were we not in on this guy?? To me, as long as he's healthy and the blood clot issue is behind him, which it looks like it now is---VERY HAPPY FOR HIM BTW---I look at this kid as Mitchell Robinson with an even higher ceiling)...

FOR THE LIFE OF ME I can't understand why we haven't properly addressed the C position, even right before we lost Hartenstein to OKC. I mean we had such a bold, great off-season, but the roster truly feels unfinished w/o properly addressing the 5 spot, I'm sorry.. SMH, there's no doubt about it...

And it's not like we haven't had options along the way here.. Look I don't give two **** how good Dadiet ever becomes, there's no way anyone can convince me that we shouldn't have taken Kyle Filipowski at 25 instead... They have no way of knowing how good Dadiet is gonna be -- it was a complete wild card, shot-in-the-dark draft selection. This dude was only 18 on draft night, and a Frenchman no less, a Euro... I mean that's who you take in the draft at 25 knowing there was what, probably a 99% chance we were on the verge of losing Hartenstein?? We were hearing those OKC rumors for weeks.... And it was never about loosing Hartenstein for me -- ok np, thank you for your service big guy. No way we should've (or could've) offered that amount of money, so no sweat.... Don't even blame him one bit for taking that deal. Good for him, he made the right decision any of us would've made. But what the hell was the contingency plan then????

I don't even care that Filipowski's "not a real C" -- that's all baloney. Come on man, a 7 footer with his skills?? Knowing you're about to lose Hartenstein (and with the uncertainty surrounding Julius too I might add -- how is Ju gonna look after coming back from shoulder surgery? When will he be ready? When will Mitch be fully healthy and ready to go for that matter?? Back to uncertainty surrounding Randle -- what do we really have at the 4 position should we decide to move Randle? And come on man -- whoever would sit there and look you in the eye and tell you that they would chose Harenstein over Filipowski (in terms of skill set/skill level, overall talent, ceiling, etc.), needs to have their head examined. In that comparison, it's Filipowskil all day every day with no hesitation for me. This guy was an absolute GIFT that dropped in our lap at 25 and we said, nah... What???? NAH?!?!

Another thing I bet we could've worked out -- this discount we worked out in our favor to sign Dadiet for a little less -- now I don't know all the particulars, but does anyone else feel we could've easily worked the same thing out with Filipowski at 25 as well?? If not, someone please explain to me why we couldn't have...

How about all the quality low-cost options we poo-pooed along the way here as well?? Thomas Bryant, Goga Bitadze, Jay Huff?? Then to hear we low-balled Omer Yurtseven??? i mean come on man, what are we doing????

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Ok rant over... Now that the Laker's officially signed Koloko, apparently to be AD's backup with Chrisitan Wood out, a guy I'd like the Knicks to keep an eye on is 6"11' C Colin Castleton... It came down to 3 guys where the Lakers were going to have to cut one of them to make room for Koloko -- Castleton, Blake Hinson and Armel Traore. They wound up waiving Hinson... So we know they obviously like Castleton, question is how much exactly? Maybe not as much as some have speculated since they went out and made this move for Koloko, right?

I see real potential here with Castleton -- he's big enough, very active around the basket scoring with good touch with both hands, I think he'll rebound enough, and he's a legit shot-blocker. Take a look at his college shot-blocking numbers, specifically his last season at Florida -- 78 blocks in 26 games: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/colin-castleton-1.html...He's also shown some semblance of a jump-shot too if left open (I think he'll only developing it further moving forward). He reminds me of Jay Huff, maybe a small tier below since the jumper's not as pure as Huff's at this point, but very similar otherwise... We should've pounced on Jay Huff, esp. after the summer league he was having, but what's done is done now. Memphis signed him and they waived Trey Jemison in order to do it...

There's probably zero chance of this happening, I get it, but how about calling the Lakers up and inquiring about Castleton? Seeing how we don't quite have what it takes to get a guy like Walker Kessler, maybe we do have enough to trade for Colin Castleton. How about something small like Jacob Toppin and one of those protected 1st round picks we still have for Castleton (which we all know will prob. both turn into 2nd round picks by the time they convey)? That would be two-way player for two-way player so the money swap works perfect (both returning two-way players btw -- I could be wrong but I believe Ariel Huckporti and McCullar are new additions and may not be able to be traded until December, but Toppin and Castleton are returning players. Not enough to get Kessler but could it be enough to snag an undrafted player like Castleton? And I'm not trying to sell this guy short mind you -- I really like what I see. I think he's may have a higher ceiling than Hartenstein as a player to be perfectly honest with you.

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Post#2223 » by Capn'O » Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:54 pm

^We can still make in-season trades to balance the roster. Last year we went in without backup options at PF or a big wing. Then we traded for OG, Precious, and Bogs. Now Bridges in the offseason and to a lesser extend KBD. We actually have a surplus at a former weakness. I think the brass knows it could be an issue but are going to try to figure out exactly what the need is, what's available, and then make a move.

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Post#2224 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:55 pm

Im in the minority but I am pretty fine with seeing Randle at the 5 and giving opportunites to Precious and Sims before making a panic trade. I get the concerns about needing a C though.
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Post#2225 » by Iron Mantis » Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:06 pm

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Appreciated how he didn't gloss over the fact that we desperately need a legit backup center because of Mitch's unreliable availability.
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Post#2226 » by moocow007 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:01 pm

I'm neither fine with Randle at extended minutes/time at center nor am I in the crowd that believes we need to rush to get a center.

I'm sure the Knicks have tried (to trade for or sign a C). The trade market probably has the better C's which is what I'm guessing they are focused on. They don't have a lot of assets left after making that rather expensive but still quality trade for Bridges is the deal. Can they just sign or draft a warm body? Sure but is that really going to do much of anything?

They need a top tier backup C is what they need. Both because Mitch is consistently injury prone and it does feel like the Knicks are not looking to resign Robinson when his contract is up IF they can help it. That's not going to happen through the draft or free agent signing with the smaller MLE.

So they do what they have to do. Wait. See if prices start dropping and/or someone that they feel might be up to the task shakes lose and becomes available.
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Post#2227 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:04 pm

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Post#2228 » by Capn'O » Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:11 pm

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Post#2229 » by KnixinSix » Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:55 pm

moocow007 wrote:I'm neither fine with Randle at extended minutes/time at center nor am I in the crowd that believes we need to rush to get a center.

I'm sure the Knicks have tried (to trade for or sign a C). The trade market probably has the better C's which is what I'm guessing they are focused on. They don't have a lot of assets left after making that rather expensive but still quality trade for Bridges is the deal. Can they just sign or draft a warm body? Sure but is that really going to do much of anything?

They need a top tier backup C is what they need. Both because Mitch is consistently injury prone and it does feel like the Knicks are not looking to resign Robinson when his contract is up IF they can help it. That's not going to happen through the draft or free agent signing with the smaller MLE.

So they do what they have to do. Wait. See if prices start dropping and/or someone that they feel might be up to the task shakes lose and becomes available.


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Post#2230 » by KnixinSix » Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:47 am

Portland almost definitely will deal Ayton after getting Clingan. Almost no team runs two highly invested in centers out there unless one can play power forward.

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Post#2231 » by SOMEKnicks » Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:52 am

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FOR THE LIFE OF ME I can't understand why we haven't properly addressed the C position, even right before we lost Hartenstein to OKC. I mean we had such a bold, great off-season, but the roster truly feels unfinished w/o properly addressing the 5 spot, I'm sorry.. SMH, there's no doubt about it...



Yeah, I get the feeling that this Randle-at-C stuff is like putting a brave face on a not-so-good situation.

I suppose our FO underestimated how much $$$ OKC was going to through at iHart and got busy with stuff like the Bridges trade, hoping that iHart would let us match any offer he'd get. Plus, weren't we facing the hard cap until we managed to restructure the Bridges trade? While the best FAs got scooped up really fast.

As for not drafting Filipowski, who knows why? This FO has been pretty loathe to add first round picks, and the belief has been that Thibs does not really like playing rookies. Even the French guy was originally viewed as a stash pick, until he proclaimed his firm intention to come over to the NBA right away. Plus, Kyle's GF story did not help.

In any case, the team indeed feels a bit unfinished, but, hey, maybe the management is counting on something popping up before the trade deadline. And in the meantime, Precious is not the worst option at backup C/PF.
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Post#2232 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:35 am

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Post#2233 » by Iron Mantis » Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:41 am

I'm hoping the Knicks are working the phones.

Trading for a center now is being strategic.

Waiting for Mitch to go down and then seeing the Knicks struggle could cause a panic trade.

Running center-less small ball without an all-NBA level defensive forward holding down the paint could be ugly.

Make OG the paint protector he'll be injured in a heartbeat.

Randle will have an offensive advantage at C but he will not play hard defense or contest shots at the rim, and is most likely to just end up in early foul trouble or have guys "checking his shoulder to make sure it's ok" .

Precious may be ok for small stints but is just too small.

I can see teams going crazy scoring in the paint and getting free throw parades against us with no C. Hope the Knicks make a move before Mitch goes down.
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Post#2234 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Sep 19, 2024 11:15 am

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FOR THE LIFE OF ME I can't understand why we haven't properly addressed the C position, even right before we lost Hartenstein to OKC. I mean we had such a bold, great off-season, but the roster truly feels unfinished w/o properly addressing the 5 spot, I'm sorry.. SMH, there's no doubt about it...



Yeah, I get the feeling that this Randle-at-C stuff is like putting a brave face on a not-so-good situation.

I suppose our FO underestimated how much $$$ OKC was going to through at iHart and got busy with stuff like the Bridges trade, hoping that iHart would let us match any offer he'd get. Plus, weren't we facing the hard cap until we managed to restructure the Bridges trade? While the best FAs got scooped up really fast.

As for not drafting Filipowski, who knows why? This FO has been pretty loathe to add first round picks, and the belief has been that Thibs does not really like playing rookies. Even the French guy was originally viewed as a stash pick, until he proclaimed his firm intention to come over to the NBA right away. Plus, Kyle's GF story did not help.

In any case, the team indeed feels a bit unfinished, but, hey, maybe the management is counting on something popping up before the trade deadline. And in the meantime, Precious is not the worst option at backup C/PF.


This is riddled with false statements. We couldn't match Sharts offer because we didn't have full bird rights. We could only offer 17mil per or so. No one ever said Pacome was going to be a stash. It's not even up to him. The team added multiple first round picks and even 2nd round picks to the rotation over the last several years. Thibs played a few rookies IQ/Grimes/Obi/Deuce were examples. Bridges deal has nothing to do with anything. Kyle's GF story? Huh?

One thing is true though. They have not had ANY sense of urgency fixing the center position the last two seasons. Mitch went down we started Sims. He sucked. We started an injured Shart, upped his minutes and, he got reinjured. We didn't trade for a center at the deadline or over the summer. We used Precious as a center. It's a little mind boggling. Not sure what the deal is there.

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Post#2235 » by Iron Mantis » Thu Sep 19, 2024 11:30 am

Have the Knicks drafted Jalen Duren yet?
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Post#2236 » by Richard4444 » Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:33 pm

Capn'O wrote:^We can still make in-season trades to balance the roster. Last year we went in without backup options at PF or a big wing. Then we traded for OG, Precious, and Bogs. Now Bridges in the offseason and to a lesser extend KBD. We actually have a surplus at a former weakness. I think the brass knows it could be an issue but are going to try to figure out exactly what the need is, what's available, and then make a move.

Still thought Goga would've helped.


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finestrg wrote:Broken record on this so I apologize, but it just makes me want to pull my hair out of my damn head.. I'm able to forget about it for a little bit but then something will trigger it again -- Thibs coming out and saying Randle will play some 5 (I mean in moderation, I guess, but what happens when Mitch ends up on the shelf?), the Lakers signing Christian Koloko (WTF on this? How were we not in on this guy?? To me, as long as he's healthy and the blood clot issue is behind him, which it looks like it now is---VERY HAPPY FOR HIM BTW---I look at this kid as Mitchell Robinson with an even higher ceiling)...

FOR THE LIFE OF ME I can't understand why we haven't properly addressed the C position, even right before we lost Hartenstein to OKC. I mean we had such a bold, great off-season, but the roster truly feels unfinished w/o properly addressing the 5 spot, I'm sorry.. SMH, there's no doubt about it...

And it's not like we haven't had options along the way here.. Look I don't give two **** how good Dadiet ever becomes, there's no way anyone can convince me that we shouldn't have taken Kyle Filipowski at 25 instead... They have no way of knowing how good Dadiet is gonna be -- it was a complete wild card, shot-in-the-dark draft selection. This dude was only 18 on draft night, and a Frenchman no less, a Euro... I mean that's who you take in the draft at 25 knowing there was what, probably a 99% chance we were on the verge of losing Hartenstein?? We were hearing those OKC rumors for weeks.... And it was never about loosing Hartenstein for me -- ok np, thank you for your service big guy. No way we should've (or could've) offered that amount of money, so no sweat.... Don't even blame him one bit for taking that deal. Good for him, he made the right decision any of us would've made. But what the hell was the contingency plan then????

I don't even care that Filipowski's "not a real C" -- that's all baloney. Come on man, a 7 footer with his skills?? Knowing you're about to lose Hartenstein (and with the uncertainty surrounding Julius too I might add -- how is Ju gonna look after coming back from shoulder surgery? When will he be ready? When will Mitch be fully healthy and ready to go for that matter?? Back to uncertainty surrounding Randle -- what do we really have at the 4 position should we decide to move Randle? And come on man -- whoever would sit there and look you in the eye and tell you that they would chose Harenstein over Filipowski (in terms of skill set/skill level, overall talent, ceiling, etc.), needs to have their head examined. In that comparison, it's Filipowskil all day every day with no hesitation for me. This guy was an absolute GIFT that dropped in our lap at 25 and we said, nah... What???? NAH?!?!

Another thing I bet we could've worked out -- this discount we worked out in our favor to sign Dadiet for a little less -- now I don't know all the particulars, but does anyone else feel we could've easily worked the same thing out with Filipowski at 25 as well?? If not, someone please explain to me why we couldn't have...

How about all the quality low-cost options we poo-pooed along the way here as well?? Thomas Bryant, Goga Bitadze, Jay Huff?? Then to hear we low-balled Omer Yurtseven??? i mean come on man, what are we doing????

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Ok rant over... Now that the Laker's officially signed Koloko, apparently to be AD's backup with Chrisitan Wood out, a guy I'd like the Knicks to keep an eye on is 6"11' C Colin Castleton... It came down to 3 guys where the Lakers were going to have to cut one of them to make room for Koloko -- Castleton, Blake Hinson and Armel Traore. They wound up waiving Hinson... So we know they obviously like Castleton, question is how much exactly? Maybe not as much as some have speculated since they went out and made this move for Koloko, right?

I see real potential here with Castleton -- he's big enough, very active around the basket scoring with good touch with both hands, I think he'll rebound enough, and he's a legit shot-blocker. Take a look at his college shot-blocking numbers, specifically his last season at Florida -- 78 blocks in 26 games: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/colin-castleton-1.html...He's also shown some semblance of a jump-shot too if left open (I think he'll only developing it further moving forward). He reminds me of Jay Huff, maybe a small tier below since the jumper's not as pure as Huff's at this point, but very similar otherwise... We should've pounced on Jay Huff, esp. after the summer league he was having, but what's done is done now. Memphis signed him and they waived Trey Jemison in order to do it...

There's probably zero chance of this happening, I get it, but how about calling the Lakers up and inquiring about Castleton? Seeing how we don't quite have what it takes to get a guy like Walker Kessler, maybe we do have enough to trade for Colin Castleton. How about something small like Jacob Toppin and one of those protected 1st round picks we still have for Castleton (which we all know will prob. both turn into 2nd round picks by the time they convey)? That would be two-way player for two-way player so the money swap works perfect (both returning two-way players btw -- I could be wrong but I believe Ariel Huckporti and McCullar are new additions and may not be able to be traded until December, but Toppin and Castleton are returning players. Not enough to get Kessler but could it be enough to snag an undrafted player like Castleton? And I'm not trying to sell this guy short mind you -- I really like what I see. I think he's may have a higher ceiling than Hartenstein as a player to be perfectly honest with you.

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Post#2238 » by j4remi » Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:28 pm

finestrg wrote:Ok rant over... Now that the Laker's officially signed Koloko, apparently to be AD's backup with Chrisitan Wood out, a guy I'd like the Knicks to keep an eye on is 6"11' C Colin Castleton... It came down to 3 guys where the Lakers were going to have to cut one of them to make room for Koloko -- Castleton, Blake Hinson and Armel Traore. They wound up waiving Hinson... So we know they obviously like Castleton, question is how much exactly? Maybe not as much as some have speculated since they went out and made this move for Koloko, right?

I see real potential here with Castleton -- he's big enough, very active around the basket scoring with good touch with both hands, I think he'll rebound enough, and he's a legit shot-blocker. Take a look at his college shot-blocking numbers, specifically his last season at Florida -- 78 blocks in 26 games: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/colin-castleton-1.html...He's also shown some semblance of a jump-shot too if left open (I think he'll only developing it further moving forward). He reminds me of Jay Huff, maybe a small tier below since the jumper's not as pure as Huff's at this point, but very similar otherwise... We should've pounced on Jay Huff, esp. after the summer league he was having, but what's done is done now. Memphis signed him and they waived Trey Jemison in order to do it...

There's probably zero chance of this happening, I get it, but how about calling the Lakers up and inquiring about Castleton? Seeing how we don't quite have what it takes to get a guy like Walker Kessler, maybe we do have enough to trade for Colin Castleton. How about something small like Jacob Toppin and one of those protected 1st round picks we still have for Castleton (which we all know will prob. both turn into 2nd round picks by the time they convey)? That would be two-way player for two-way player so the money swap works perfect (both returning two-way players btw -- I could be wrong but I believe Ariel Huckporti and McCullar are new additions and may not be able to be traded until December, but Toppin and Castleton are returning players. Not enough to get Kessler but could it be enough to snag an undrafted player like Castleton? And I'm not trying to sell this guy short mind you -- I really like what I see. I think he's may have a higher ceiling than Hartenstein as a player to be perfectly honest with you.


I've been high on Castleton since he was in the draft, and since I have him in BAF, I've watched his action from brief NBA appearances, G-League games, and Summer league. He has a lot of potential, but I don't think he's strong enough to handle NBA centers yet and he's not mobile enough to play anywhere else. He's active on boards and challenges shots at the rim, but strong players can keep him from getting much done.

That said, I believe in his ability to be a floor stretcher. His passing ability is really promising too, he can do some of that top-of-the-key work that Hartenstein showed off. With some bulk, he can have real punch in the middle too. But I've been a little letdown by his development since being drafted. He hasn't shown as much growth as I'd like, so far, particularly in this past summer league.

So, to summarize...Castleton would be a nice prospect to stash in the G-League and try to build up. But I don't think he's ready to be a back-up for a team in our position yet. He'd do well on a rebuilding team, but for a playoff team that hopes to contend, I don't think he's ready.
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Post#2239 » by Iron Mantis » Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:42 pm

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finestrg wrote:Broken record on this so I apologize, but it just makes me want to pull my hair out of my damn head.. I'm able to forget about it for a little bit but then something will trigger it again -- Thibs coming out and saying Randle will play some 5 (I mean in moderation, I guess, but what happens when Mitch ends up on the shelf?), the Lakers signing Christian Koloko (WTF on this? How were we not in on this guy?? To me, as long as he's healthy and the blood clot issue is behind him, which it looks like it now is---VERY HAPPY FOR HIM BTW---I look at this kid as Mitchell Robinson with an even higher ceiling)...

FOR THE LIFE OF ME I can't understand why we haven't properly addressed the C position, even right before we lost Hartenstein to OKC. I mean we had such a bold, great off-season, but the roster truly feels unfinished w/o properly addressing the 5 spot, I'm sorry.. SMH, there's no doubt about it...

And it's not like we haven't had options along the way here.. Look I don't give two **** how good Dadiet ever becomes, there's no way anyone can convince me that we shouldn't have taken Kyle Filipowski at 25 instead... They have no way of knowing how good Dadiet is gonna be -- it was a complete wild card, shot-in-the-dark draft selection. This dude was only 18 on draft night, and a Frenchman no less, a Euro... I mean that's who you take in the draft at 25 knowing there was what, probably a 99% chance we were on the verge of losing Hartenstein?? We were hearing those OKC rumors for weeks.... And it was never about loosing Hartenstein for me -- ok np, thank you for your service big guy. No way we should've (or could've) offered that amount of money, so no sweat.... Don't even blame him one bit for taking that deal. Good for him, he made the right decision any of us would've made. But what the hell was the contingency plan then????

I don't even care that Filipowski's "not a real C" -- that's all baloney. Come on man, a 7 footer with his skills?? Knowing you're about to lose Hartenstein (and with the uncertainty surrounding Julius too I might add -- how is Ju gonna look after coming back from shoulder surgery? When will he be ready? When will Mitch be fully healthy and ready to go for that matter?? Back to uncertainty surrounding Randle -- what do we really have at the 4 position should we decide to move Randle? And come on man -- whoever would sit there and look you in the eye and tell you that they would chose Harenstein over Filipowski (in terms of skill set/skill level, overall talent, ceiling, etc.), needs to have their head examined. In that comparison, it's Filipowskil all day every day with no hesitation for me. This guy was an absolute GIFT that dropped in our lap at 25 and we said, nah... What???? NAH?!?!

Another thing I bet we could've worked out -- this discount we worked out in our favor to sign Dadiet for a little less -- now I don't know all the particulars, but does anyone else feel we could've easily worked the same thing out with Filipowski at 25 as well?? If not, someone please explain to me why we couldn't have...

How about all the quality low-cost options we poo-pooed along the way here as well?? Thomas Bryant, Goga Bitadze, Jay Huff?? Then to hear we low-balled Omer Yurtseven??? i mean come on man, what are we doing????

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Ok rant over... Now that the Laker's officially signed Koloko, apparently to be AD's backup with Chrisitan Wood out, a guy I'd like the Knicks to keep an eye on is 6"11' C Colin Castleton... It came down to 3 guys where the Lakers were going to have to cut one of them to make room for Koloko -- Castleton, Blake Hinson and Armel Traore. They wound up waiving Hinson... So we know they obviously like Castleton, question is how much exactly? Maybe not as much as some have speculated since they went out and made this move for Koloko, right?

I see real potential here with Castleton -- he's big enough, very active around the basket scoring with good touch with both hands, I think he'll rebound enough, and he's a legit shot-blocker. Take a look at his college shot-blocking numbers, specifically his last season at Florida -- 78 blocks in 26 games: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/colin-castleton-1.html...He's also shown some semblance of a jump-shot too if left open (I think he'll only developing it further moving forward). He reminds me of Jay Huff, maybe a small tier below since the jumper's not as pure as Huff's at this point, but very similar otherwise... We should've pounced on Jay Huff, esp. after the summer league he was having, but what's done is done now. Memphis signed him and they waived Trey Jemison in order to do it...

There's probably zero chance of this happening, I get it, but how about calling the Lakers up and inquiring about Castleton? Seeing how we don't quite have what it takes to get a guy like Walker Kessler, maybe we do have enough to trade for Colin Castleton. How about something small like Jacob Toppin and one of those protected 1st round picks we still have for Castleton (which we all know will prob. both turn into 2nd round picks by the time they convey)? That would be two-way player for two-way player so the money swap works perfect (both returning two-way players btw -- I could be wrong but I believe Ariel Huckporti and McCullar are new additions and may not be able to be traded until December, but Toppin and Castleton are returning players. Not enough to get Kessler but could it be enough to snag an undrafted player like Castleton? And I'm not trying to sell this guy short mind you -- I really like what I see. I think he's may have a higher ceiling than Hartenstein as a player to be perfectly honest with you.

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The Knicks would never bet on a rookie center to be a contender's backup center. Koloko and Yurtseven are also unproven.

Giving a young guy who shows potential a chance(who could surprise us like i.Hart) may be better than rolling with no center at all which could end in a chain reaction with injuries/etc.

As an example, Rondo was an unproven 2nd year player(21st pick) thrust into the starting lineup with the big 3 and they won it all that year.

Knicks have a big 4 set in their roles, ready to win, get a freaking center and let's win it all.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At? 

Post#2240 » by Richard4444 » Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:11 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
finestrg wrote:Broken record on this so I apologize, but it just makes me want to pull my hair out of my damn head.. I'm able to forget about it for a little bit but then something will trigger it again -- Thibs coming out and saying Randle will play some 5 (I mean in moderation, I guess, but what happens when Mitch ends up on the shelf?), the Lakers signing Christian Koloko (WTF on this? How were we not in on this guy?? To me, as long as he's healthy and the blood clot issue is behind him, which it looks like it now is---VERY HAPPY FOR HIM BTW---I look at this kid as Mitchell Robinson with an even higher ceiling)...

FOR THE LIFE OF ME I can't understand why we haven't properly addressed the C position, even right before we lost Hartenstein to OKC. I mean we had such a bold, great off-season, but the roster truly feels unfinished w/o properly addressing the 5 spot, I'm sorry.. SMH, there's no doubt about it...

And it's not like we haven't had options along the way here.. Look I don't give two **** how good Dadiet ever becomes, there's no way anyone can convince me that we shouldn't have taken Kyle Filipowski at 25 instead... They have no way of knowing how good Dadiet is gonna be -- it was a complete wild card, shot-in-the-dark draft selection. This dude was only 18 on draft night, and a Frenchman no less, a Euro... I mean that's who you take in the draft at 25 knowing there was what, probably a 99% chance we were on the verge of losing Hartenstein?? We were hearing those OKC rumors for weeks.... And it was never about loosing Hartenstein for me -- ok np, thank you for your service big guy. No way we should've (or could've) offered that amount of money, so no sweat.... Don't even blame him one bit for taking that deal. Good for him, he made the right decision any of us would've made. But what the hell was the contingency plan then????

I don't even care that Filipowski's "not a real C" -- that's all baloney. Come on man, a 7 footer with his skills?? Knowing you're about to lose Hartenstein (and with the uncertainty surrounding Julius too I might add -- how is Ju gonna look after coming back from shoulder surgery? When will he be ready? When will Mitch be fully healthy and ready to go for that matter?? Back to uncertainty surrounding Randle -- what do we really have at the 4 position should we decide to move Randle? And come on man -- whoever would sit there and look you in the eye and tell you that they would chose Harenstein over Filipowski (in terms of skill set/skill level, overall talent, ceiling, etc.), needs to have their head examined. In that comparison, it's Filipowskil all day every day with no hesitation for me. This guy was an absolute GIFT that dropped in our lap at 25 and we said, nah... What???? NAH?!?!

Another thing I bet we could've worked out -- this discount we worked out in our favor to sign Dadiet for a little less -- now I don't know all the particulars, but does anyone else feel we could've easily worked the same thing out with Filipowski at 25 as well?? If not, someone please explain to me why we couldn't have...

How about all the quality low-cost options we poo-pooed along the way here as well?? Thomas Bryant, Goga Bitadze, Jay Huff?? Then to hear we low-balled Omer Yurtseven??? i mean come on man, what are we doing????

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Ok rant over... Now that the Laker's officially signed Koloko, apparently to be AD's backup with Chrisitan Wood out, a guy I'd like the Knicks to keep an eye on is 6"11' C Colin Castleton... It came down to 3 guys where the Lakers were going to have to cut one of them to make room for Koloko -- Castleton, Blake Hinson and Armel Traore. They wound up waiving Hinson... So we know they obviously like Castleton, question is how much exactly? Maybe not as much as some have speculated since they went out and made this move for Koloko, right?

I see real potential here with Castleton -- he's big enough, very active around the basket scoring with good touch with both hands, I think he'll rebound enough, and he's a legit shot-blocker. Take a look at his college shot-blocking numbers, specifically his last season at Florida -- 78 blocks in 26 games: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/colin-castleton-1.html...He's also shown some semblance of a jump-shot too if left open (I think he'll only developing it further moving forward). He reminds me of Jay Huff, maybe a small tier below since the jumper's not as pure as Huff's at this point, but very similar otherwise... We should've pounced on Jay Huff, esp. after the summer league he was having, but what's done is done now. Memphis signed him and they waived Trey Jemison in order to do it...

There's probably zero chance of this happening, I get it, but how about calling the Lakers up and inquiring about Castleton? Seeing how we don't quite have what it takes to get a guy like Walker Kessler, maybe we do have enough to trade for Colin Castleton. How about something small like Jacob Toppin and one of those protected 1st round picks we still have for Castleton (which we all know will prob. both turn into 2nd round picks by the time they convey)? That would be two-way player for two-way player so the money swap works perfect (both returning two-way players btw -- I could be wrong but I believe Ariel Huckporti and McCullar are new additions and may not be able to be traded until December, but Toppin and Castleton are returning players. Not enough to get Kessler but could it be enough to snag an undrafted player like Castleton? And I'm not trying to sell this guy short mind you -- I really like what I see. I think he's may have a higher ceiling than Hartenstein as a player to be perfectly honest with you.

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The Knicks would never bet on a rookie center to be a contender's backup center. Koloko and Yurtseven are also unproven.

Giving a young guy who shows potential a chance(who could surprise us like i.Hart) may be better than rolling with no center at all which could end in a chain reaction with injuries/etc.

As an example, Rondo was an unproven 2nd year player(21st pick) thrust into the starting lineup with the big 3 and they won it all that year.

Knicks have a big 4 set in their roles, ready to win, get a freaking center and let's win it all.


Sometimes, giving a chance to an unproven rookie works. Often it does not.

Center is an essential position in Thibs scheme and hard to master.

IHart was a 4year vet before joining the Knicks. He just had a wonderful season in LA the previous year. He was last year"s Goga.

If you want just a warm body to be the backup, you can use Sims or get a Byombo.

I think the Front office is sure they can get a really good center in the trade deadline.

By then, they can test Mitch's health during the period and study how much they need a center.
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