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Re: ATL 

Post#81 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Sep 18, 2024 2:46 pm

It would have been a good joke to let Shams have the scoop. Missed opportunity on the way out.
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Re: ATL 

Post#82 » by emunney » Wed Sep 18, 2024 2:46 pm

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Holy ****.


Shams to ESPN is 3...2...

Good for him, though. I always imagined his life to be awful. Had to be glued to his phone around the clock. Perpetually online.

Oh ****.
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Post#83 » by emunney » Wed Sep 18, 2024 2:47 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Does ESPN try to poach Shams now?


He's a FA and I'm sure these things are connected.
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Re: ATL 

Post#84 » by chonestown » Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:43 pm

emunney wrote:Had to be glued to his phone around the clock. Perpetually online.

Oh ****.


Tru posters (me) use the desktop PC as their weapon of choice.

As for Woj, look man, I'm a midwesterner. All my life I heard "do it right, don't do it fast." Woj caking off the exact opposite of that mindset is an affront to my ancestors. Roll Tide.
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Re: ATL 

Post#85 » by bango_the_buck » Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:49 pm

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emunney wrote:Had to be glued to his phone around the clock. Perpetually online.

Oh ****.


Tru posters (me) use the desktop PC as their weapon of choice.

As for Woj, look man, I'm a midwesterner. All my life I heard "do it right, don't do it fast." Woj caking off the exact opposite of that mindset is an affront to my ancestors. Roll Tide.


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Re: ATL 

Post#86 » by humanrefutation » Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:29 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:It would have been a good joke to let Shams have the scoop. Missed opportunity on the way out.


He had Thamel, Passan, and Schefter on the byline with the scoop. Thought that was nice.
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Post#87 » by stellation » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:25 pm


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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#88 » by chonestown » Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:26 pm

When the Ben Simmons camp posts a ticked tock of him engaging in aquatic fitness that is when I will remark Ben Simmons? Been Swimmin' feel free to use no big deal.
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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#89 » by emunney » Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:24 am

Occurs to me that Woj's around-the-clock Hell was invented by Woj.
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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#90 » by chonestown » Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:34 am

emunney wrote:Occurs to me that Woj's around-the-clock Hell was invented by Woj.


Quick to whip up a script like Rod Serling.
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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#91 » by Big Dog Yank » Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:56 am

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emunney wrote:Occurs to me that Woj's around-the-clock Hell was invented by Woj.


Quick to whip up a script like Rod Serling.


I imagine Serling's intro to go something like this:

"Meet Adrian Wojnarowski, aged fifty-five. A basketball gumshoe by trade with a penchant for dropping bombs and scooping stories. An outsider who so desperately wanted to become part of the action that he transcended the crowd to become the inside himself. Despite accolades, access and assets that surpassed anything this native Connecticuter could have ever dreamed, he found that once you're on the inside it's difficult to get out. The only way to salvation? A journey to a western New York state hamlet with a brief stop off in The Twilight Zone."
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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#92 » by paulpressey25 » Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:18 am

The question I have is whether or not we can get back to journalists seeking information and breaking news like they did in the era before Woj.

No question Woj worked super hard to get where he was at. But these last 4-5 years he seemed to be the league's official mouthpiece. Teams, agents and the league purposely steered stories his way, and if you were an aspiring local reporter, you'd get blackballed if you got in the way of that Woj/League partnership.
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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#93 » by raferfenix » Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:59 pm

I’m still angry about all the draft days Woj ruined by his personal ambitions trumping the viewing experience of waiting until the commissioner officially announced a pick rather than a Woj tweet.

Twitter’s demise might not be unrelated to his career decision as well. The value in being first by a couple seconds has decreased. And that was a lot of what he monetized.
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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#94 » by chonestown » Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:14 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:The question I have is whether or not we can get back to journalists seeking information and breaking news like they did in the era before Woj.

No question Woj worked super hard to get where he was at. But these last 4-5 years he seemed to be the league's official mouthpiece. Teams, agents and the league purposely steered stories his way, and if you were an aspiring local reporter, you'd get blackballed if you got in the way of that Woj/League partnership.


This is a larger journalistic question, but how important is access? More importantly, how detrimental is access?

If Woj's career is going to be summed up in one word, it surely is going to be an all-caps "FIRST." What kind of legacy is that for a writer?

There has to be some portion of journalism that is adversarial. Otherwise, all you got is PR.
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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#95 » by BUCKnation » Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:48 pm

Yeah, woj/shams bombs are fun, but are they really necessary.
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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#96 » by RogerMurdock » Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:50 pm

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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#97 » by emunney » Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:20 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:The question I have is whether or not we can get back to journalists seeking information and breaking news like they did in the era before Woj.

No question Woj worked super hard to get where he was at. But these last 4-5 years he seemed to be the league's official mouthpiece. Teams, agents and the league purposely steered stories his way, and if you were an aspiring local reporter, you'd get blackballed if you got in the way of that Woj/League partnership.


This is a larger journalistic question, but how important is access? More importantly, how detrimental is access?

If Woj's career is going to be summed up in one word, it surely is going to be an all-caps "FIRST." What kind of legacy is that for a writer?

There has to be some portion of journalism that is adversarial. Otherwise, all you got is PR.


Even if not adversarial, at least honest and thorough, and upholding a type of process that could potentially, if well-done and maybe a little lucky, yield real insight.

I wouldn't say Woj has been as much a league mouthpiece as a human transaction wire, just pre-dated by a few minutes. Even the guys who get it wrong sometimes by airing scuttlebutt perform a more interesting function. Woj has also served to make hacks like Windhorst seem substantive by comparison.

I'm not saying I don't like getting the transactions as soon as possible. I'm just saying I don't think it's actually valuable. It's not too surprising that Woj took stock and decided it's not valuable to him, either.
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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#98 » by Finn » Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:49 pm

BUCKnation wrote:Yeah, woj/shams bombs are fun, but are they really necessary.

They were certainly posted here as quickly as humanly possible by some folks.


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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#99 » by BUCKnation » Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:58 pm

Finn wrote:
BUCKnation wrote:Yeah, woj/shams bombs are fun, but are they really necessary.

They were certainly posted here as quickly as humanly possible by some folks.


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I mean, yeah, might as well, but I'm talking about the rush to get out info from these 'journalists'. Like most big deals are parceled together as fast as possible over multiple tweets over multiple minutes. This rush is what got us in trouble for a perfectly fine Bogdanovic trade.
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Re: ATL - Woj Retires 

Post#100 » by chonestown » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:02 pm

Breaking news, lovingly crafted and mesquite-flavored. Why couldn't this happen?

Might be time for Ol' Bones Chones to put the posting on hiatus and save journalism. And, I dunno, get two-tree Arby-Q's. For the culture.

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