Operation Consolidation

[Skybox]

Nembhard will apparent Never be moved from his spot in the RealGM.IND hall of fame…too bad as he’d be a really nice backup for most teams.

[jazzfan1971]

Collin Sexton?

[Wizop]

Nembhard will apparent Never be moved from his spot in the RealGM.IND hall of fame…too bad as he’d be a really nice backup for most teams.

I understand how someone could think the Pacers overrate Nembhard, but he really pairs well with Haliburton. He can defend 1's and 2's. he can bring the ball up court and initiate the offense when opponents press Haliburton. he can hit 3's if his defender doubles Haliburton. also, starting him at the 2 instead of using him as a backup 1 creates a role for TJ McConnell.

that said, Indy has its own need for a consolidation trade to create distance from tax-land to resign Turner next summer. The Pacer players with big enough contracts to make a difference if moved are Obi, Nesmith, and Nembhard. I don't think we can refuse to listen to offers for Nembhard.

[Helsbyte]

Nembhard will apparent Never be moved from his spot in the RealGM.IND hall of fame…too bad as he’d be a really nice backup for most teams.

You do realize he starts in the NBA now and for a team as good as or even better than Orlando. Your statement makes you look like a troll who knows nothing about basketball. He fits exactly what the OP asked for and he is locked for the next 3 years. Hell he probably holds more value than Suggs right now since Suggs contract situation isn't resolved. I am not even sure Indy would even consider letting him go.

[zimpy27]

Nembhard will apparent Never be moved from his spot in the RealGM.IND hall of fame…too bad as he’d be a really nice backup for most teams.

You do realize he starts in the NBA now and for a team as good as or even better than Orlando. Your statement makes you look like a troll who knows nothing about basketball. He fits exactly what the OP asked for and he is locked for the next 3 years. Hell he probably holds more value than Suggs right now since Suggs contract situation isn't resolved. I am not even sure Indy would even consider letting him go.

How do you rank the player values on Indy? Most to least valuable contract

[Residual-Heat]

Collin Sexton?

not the type of player the OP is asking for here but

[Skybox]

Nembhard will apparent Never be moved from his spot in the RealGM.IND hall of fame…too bad as he’d be a really nice backup for most teams.

You do realize he starts in the NBA now and for a team as good as or even better than Orlando. Your statement makes you look like a troll who knows nothing about basketball. He fits exactly what the OP asked for and he is locked for the next 3 years. Hell he probably holds more value than Suggs right now since Suggs contract situation isn't resolved. I am not even sure Indy would even consider letting him go.

I like him, he's a good player, I've proposed a few trades over the years... he's not in the same stratosphere as Suggs (who is also sometimes overrated by our fans). People throw around "good defender" as if it checks a box that means "capable/not a weak spot" - that's not the kind of defender Suggs is - when he's on the court, his impact is constant.

Again, I like Nembhard (and Mathurin-who's much more of an offensive threat when healthy). I love what IND is up to - polar opposite of ORL but neck and neck overall. But the fan responses to Nembhard trades over the years have been meme-worthy. (nothing wrong with that - it's what fans do).

[Godaddycurse]

Nembhard will apparent Never be moved from his spot in the RealGM.IND hall of fame…too bad as he’d be a really nice backup for most teams.

You do realize he starts in the NBA now and for a team as good as or even better than Orlando. Your statement makes you look like a troll who knows nothing about basketball. He fits exactly what the OP asked for and he is locked for the next 3 years. Hell he probably holds more value than Suggs right now since Suggs contract situation isn't resolved. I am not even sure Indy would even consider letting him go.

I like him, he's a good player, I've proposed a few trades over the years... he's not in the same stratosphere as Suggs (who is also sometimes overrated by our fans).

Nembhard has a much friendlier contract though. Might be making 1/2 of Suggs next contract

[Scoot McGroot]

Nembhard will apparent Never be moved from his spot in the RealGM.IND hall of fame…too bad as he’d be a really nice backup for most teams.

You do realize he starts in the NBA now and for a team as good as or even better than Orlando. Your statement makes you look like a troll who knows nothing about basketball. He fits exactly what the OP asked for and he is locked for the next 3 years. Hell he probably holds more value than Suggs right now since Suggs contract situation isn't resolved. I am not even sure Indy would even consider letting him go.

I wouldn’t go that far. Suggs still has more high end potential, which will always hold more value on trade. Some team will see his 2nd team all defense and think they can unlock his offensive skills and make him one of the best guards in the league. Nembhard is still more of a jack of all trades, master of none, though he’s quite good at a lot of them.

[Helsbyte]

Nembhard will apparent Never be moved from his spot in the RealGM.IND hall of fame…too bad as he’d be a really nice backup for most teams.

You do realize he starts in the NBA now and for a team as good as or even better than Orlando. Your statement makes you look like a troll who knows nothing about basketball. He fits exactly what the OP asked for and he is locked for the next 3 years. Hell he probably holds more value than Suggs right now since Suggs contract situation isn't resolved. I am not even sure Indy would even consider letting him go.

How do you rank the player values on Indy? Most to least valuable contract

Nembhard right now at 2M per year would be near the top of the league value wise. His extension starts next year and would obviously change that. So for right now most valuable would go something like this.


Haliburton
Mathurin
Nembhard
Walker
Nesmith
Siakim
Turner( contract uncertainty )
Sheppard
McConnell
Toppin

[Helsbyte]

Nembhard will apparent Never be moved from his spot in the RealGM.IND hall of fame…too bad as he’d be a really nice backup for most teams.

You do realize he starts in the NBA now and for a team as good as or even better than Orlando. Your statement makes you look like a troll who knows nothing about basketball. He fits exactly what the OP asked for and he is locked for the next 3 years. Hell he probably holds more value than Suggs right now since Suggs contract situation isn't resolved. I am not even sure Indy would even consider letting him go.

I wouldn’t go that far. Suggs still has more high end potential, which will always hold more value on trade. Some team will see his 2nd team all defense and think they can unlock his offensive skills and make him one of the best guards in the league. Nembhard is still more of a jack of all trades, master of none, though he’s quite good at a lot of them.

Once Suggs signs an extension his value obviously changes. North of 30M his value takes a hit, 25- 30M is probably fair value. I have him as a role player/ 4th option type.

[Residual-Heat]

You do realize he starts in the NBA now and for a team as good as or even better than Orlando. Your statement makes you look like a troll who knows nothing about basketball. He fits exactly what the OP asked for and he is locked for the next 3 years. Hell he probably holds more value than Suggs right now since Suggs contract situation isn't resolved. I am not even sure Indy would even consider letting him go.

I wouldn’t go that far. Suggs still has more high end potential, which will always hold more value on trade. Some team will see his 2nd team all defense and think they can unlock his offensive skills and make him one of the best guards in the league. Nembhard is still more of a jack of all trades, master of none, though he’s quite good at a lot of them.

Once Suggs signs an extension his value obviously changes. North of 30M his value takes a hit, 25- 30M is probably fair value. I have him as a role player/ 4th option type.

Derrick White is a 4th option/role player type making over 30 mill/yr and id much rather have him than Nembhard.

Suggs just turned 23 in the offseason, and has been rapidly improving. I dont think he has reached his offensive peak yet, not even close.

[Helsbyte]

I wouldn’t go that far. Suggs still has more high end potential, which will always hold more value on trade. Some team will see his 2nd team all defense and think they can unlock his offensive skills and make him one of the best guards in the league. Nembhard is still more of a jack of all trades, master of none, though he’s quite good at a lot of them.

Once Suggs signs an extension his value obviously changes. North of 30M his value takes a hit, 25- 30M is probably fair value. I have him as a role player/ 4th option type.

Derrick White is a 4th option/role player type making over 30 mill/yr and id much rather have him than Nembhard.

Suggs just turned 23 in the offseason, and has been rapidly improving. I dont think he has reached his offensive peak yet, not even close.

And I would take Herb Jones at 16M for a 4th option over Suggs. So what. Boston pushed their chips in a won a championship, do you believe Orlando is at that point? I don't. They are good team trying to get out of the first round of the playoffs.

[Residual-Heat]

Once Suggs signs an extension his value obviously changes. North of 30M his value takes a hit, 25- 30M is probably fair value. I have him as a role player/ 4th option type.

Derrick White is a 4th option/role player type making over 30 mill/yr and id much rather have him than Nembhard.

Suggs just turned 23 in the offseason, and has been rapidly improving. I dont think he has reached his offensive peak yet, not even close.

And I would take Herb Jones at 16M for a 4th option over Suggs. So what. Boston pushed their chips in a won a championship, do you believe Orlando is at that point? I don't. They are good team trying to get out of the first round of the playoffs.

Id take Herb over Nembhard as well, not sure what he has to do with the discussion. You mentioned how you see Suggs, I gave you someone that fits that description in White, who many would see as a reasonable projection for what Suggs can be.

No I dont think the Magic are a championship team yet, but this is still a very young team. Their core was 21-22 years old this season, and they did not have vets carrying them. Are they supposed to be legit title contenders this early? I think they're on the right track, and will be contenders in the next couple of years. Anyway, Suggs, Paolo and Franz will still be on their rookie contracts this season. In 2025-2026, they could enter the conversation for title contention. We will see.

[Helsbyte]

Derrick White is a 4th option/role player type making over 30 mill/yr and id much rather have him than Nembhard.

Suggs just turned 23 in the offseason, and has been rapidly improving. I dont think he has reached his offensive peak yet, not even close.

And I would take Herb Jones at 16M for a 4th option over Suggs. So what. Boston pushed their chips in a won a championship, do you believe Orlando is at that point? I don't. They are good team trying to get out of the first round of the playoffs.

Id take Herb over Nembhard as well, not sure what he has to do with the discussion. You mentioned how you see Suggs, I gave you someone that fits that description in White, who many would see as a reasonable projection for what Suggs can be.

No I dont think the Magic are a championship team yet, but this is still a very young team. Their core was 21-22 years old this season, and they did not have vets carrying them. Are they supposed to be legit title contenders this early? I think they're on the right track, and will be contenders in the next couple of years. Anyway, Suggs, Paolo and Franz will still be on their rookie contracts this season. In 2025-2026, they could enter the conversation for title contention. We will see.

Sorry you brought Derrick White into the conversation and I countered with Jones.
I do believe somewhere we got off topic of value vs better player. No where in any conversation did I say Nembhard was the better player. I did say Nembhard is the better value.

[jezzerinho]

Collin Sexton?

not the type of player the OP is asking for here but

Because Sexton has kind of transformed his offensive game since the hilarious Kevin Love intervention, I hold out this somewhat irrational hope that he can learn defence too.

Im not sure that hope has much foundation, but could he not reach just-below-average?

[Residual-Heat]

And I would take Herb Jones at 16M for a 4th option over Suggs. So what. Boston pushed their chips in a won a championship, do you believe Orlando is at that point? I don't. They are good team trying to get out of the first round of the playoffs.

Id take Herb over Nembhard as well, not sure what he has to do with the discussion. You mentioned how you see Suggs, I gave you someone that fits that description in White, who many would see as a reasonable projection for what Suggs can be.

No I dont think the Magic are a championship team yet, but this is still a very young team. Their core was 21-22 years old this season, and they did not have vets carrying them. Are they supposed to be legit title contenders this early? I think they're on the right track, and will be contenders in the next couple of years. Anyway, Suggs, Paolo and Franz will still be on their rookie contracts this season. In 2025-2026, they could enter the conversation for title contention. We will see.

Sorry you brought Derrick White into the conversation and I countered with Jones.
I do believe somewhere we got off topic of value vs better player. No where in any conversation did I say Nembhard was the better player. I did say Nembhard is the better value.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. "Value" isnt always clear anyway. Trade value? Value for money? They're not always the same.

[Residual-Heat]

Collin Sexton?

not the type of player the OP is asking for here but

Because Sexton has kind of transformed his offensive game since the hilarious Kevin Love intervention, I hold out this somewhat irrational hope that he can learn defence too.

Im not sure that hope has much foundation, but could he not reach just-below-average?

I think the guy atleast gives effort on the defensive end. I think its possible that he could look a lot better on that end with better focus and coaching. No reason he can't atleast be as good as Cole on the defensive end IMO. Offensively he's a lot better than Cole.

With KCP, Suggs, and Black there's enough defense to cover. Obviously I wouldnt want to give up any of these guys for Sexton, but I think a package that includes some combination of Cole/Jett/1st round picks could be a decent trade for both teams.

[Magic_Johnny12]

You do realize he starts in the NBA now and for a team as good as or even better than Orlando. Your statement makes you look like a troll who knows nothing about basketball. He fits exactly what the OP asked for and he is locked for the next 3 years. Hell he probably holds more value than Suggs right now since Suggs contract situation isn't resolved. I am not even sure Indy would even consider letting him go.

I like him, he's a good player, I've proposed a few trades over the years... he's not in the same stratosphere as Suggs (who is also sometimes overrated by our fans).

Nembhard has a much friendlier contract though. Might be making 1/2 of Suggs next contract

Making 1/2 of Suggs next contract because he’s 1/2 the player so it makes perfect sense.

[JRoy]

I like him, he's a good player, I've proposed a few trades over the years... he's not in the same stratosphere as Suggs (who is also sometimes overrated by our fans).

Nembhard has a much friendlier contract though. Might be making 1/2 of Suggs next contract

Making 1/2 of Suggs next contract because he’s 1/2 the player so it makes perfect sense.

Paying non-stars like stars is a big mistake.