OT: Clinton or Bush?

[MrDollarBills]

If you support Trump, understand what you are voting for. Meanwhile the rest of us, liberals, progressives, moderates, Never Trump conservatives, etc will be voting to protect you from these goons who do not care one iota about you or your families.

Most Trump supporters seem to almost embrace the "negatives" associated with Trump as a "necessary evi"l based on the narrative that Trump is the only person who can either

1. Fix the Economy - Doesn't matter what Trump will actually do. Between the association of the democratic party with radical socialists like Bernie Sanders and the exceptionally inflation observed during the Biden administration, people want to support Trump as an economic solution

2. Fix Woke Culture - A lot of extremists lies have been created to make liberals look crazy. My favorite lie was the narrative that democrats were pushing to standardize litters boxes in schools for children who identify as cats. Regardless there are a lot of people who think Americas has lots its way and want an extreme leader who isn't afraid of being accused of discrimination. For scary thought

3. Border Control - Probably the one topic where Trump might actually have some effect. Illegal immigration hit all time highs during Biden's term. People want action on this topic and democrats typically oppose this with some extremists like AOC going as far as wanting to claim there are no such thing as illegal immigrations, these are just asylum seekers.

My biggest frustration with Trump supporters is they don't seem to actually support Trump. They support this imaginary narrative of his fixing the 3 issues above.

The people who think Trump is better for the economy probably don't even understand the difference between his policies and Biden's. Or the fact that historically the US Economy under Democrat presidents overwhelmingly performs well.

These are the same people who blame presidents for gas prices. They don't know how anything works.

[Worm Guts]

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/nx-s1-5118393/undecided-voters-kamala-harris-donald-trump

Brady, 30, Wisconsin, leaning Trump
On the debate, Brady said, “Kamala [Harris] did a better job articulating her points, obviously.”

He added: “I don’t want to go through another four years of a Trump presidency.”

But his vote is largely contingent on his personal financial situation, and he noted, “Things have gotten more expensive.”

“I have probably a middle-class income for my family,” he said, “and it doesn’t feel like it’s getting any easier — even as my wife and I have advanced in our careers.”

Brady said he aligned more with former President Barack Obama and said he doesn’t “like her policies” on the economy.

Asked what specifically he doesn’t like, he said, “I can’t say I’m super knowledgeable about the specifics, but from a how-our-family-is-feeling standpoint, just not sure.”

This is how dumb the American electorate is, holy sh*t. Literally, there's just nothing you can say to this guy if you're a Dem candidate, how are you supposed to reason with this?

This is why I had to step back and stop taking this stuff so personally over the years. I feel like large swaths of the population really don't understand how government works or what they're even supporting.

Like this guy has a family and he's undecided between the woman who wants to bring back the child tax credit and give middle class families relief and the guy who signed a tax bill that quietly raised taxes on families making below $100k.

"I don't like her policies" but not being able to articulate why is....christ. makes my head hurt

I actually get it in the sense that economics is complicated and people really don’t get it, so they default to how they feel. Biden has had to deal with the fallout of Covid and things have been a little tougher the last 4 years mostly reasons that aren’t his fault. Combine that with Trump marketing himself as some sort of business genius over the last 40 years and you get voters who feel like Trump is better for the economy.

[Capn'O]

Re: the economy

I remember after one of the McCain/Obama debates prior to the election, Sarah Palin went on afterward and showed a chart of an economic trend - let's say the stock market - that showed a sharp decline corresponding with Obama taking office in 2008. Here's Obama. Right there is the decline. Easy peasy. As though Obama single-handedly caused the 2008 crash within two months of taking office.

It was a double whammy of "you cannot be serious" coupled with "omg, I wonder what portion of the electorate thinks this is serious." A real "a-ha" moment, if you will, for me.

[MrDollarBills]

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So from a certain point of view, the "far left media" had a point, and Biden stepping aside to let Kamala take over was the right move.

They were absolutely correct.

To be fair, the far left journos calling for Biden to step down isn't the same as say, Katy Tur on MSNBC raging for Biden to step down while gaslighting Americans by presenting Donald Trump as a legitimate Presidential candidate.

The problem with most liberal comments on "far left" is that they just kinda fold everything left of American-center (which is fairly to the right of many places) into one box. So people I think are very pragmatic and generally pretty good like Sam Seder or Olayemi Olurin get tied to the Jimmy Dore's of the world, who I don't even think should be classified as leftists at this point.

Everyone on the left, rightfully, called out Joe Biden doing poorly in appearances and polling for months. But they were vilified until the debate happened and it became undeniable. But I think there's a pretty obvious gap between the folks who said "Biden should step down, and Harris should take over" versus "Biden is too old, you should vote for Williamson (or West, or Stein).

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Agreed on all points, and yeah the American "center" at best on a good day is center-right. Which is why I roll my eyes at self proclaimed Centrists in America, who seem more like Republicans with shame than middle of the road moderates.

Me personally, I was afraid of Biden stepping down because I had no faith in people to unite behind Kamala based on the crap I saw a few years back during the primaries where I saw folks calling her a whore and a cop.

Thank God I was 100% wrong. I'm always glad to be wrong.

There's a big gap between lefties who critique the Dems from a strategic place versus the accelerationist (grifter) wing of the left

Yep. I peeped that awhile ago. There are some folks who claim to be leftists with large followings that seem more concerned with knee capping Democrats instead of staving off Trump. Talking about "another 4 years of pain will liberals a lesson".

Like huh??? Whose side are you on here?

[MrDollarBills]

Re: the economy

I remember after one of the McCain/Obama debates prior to the election, Sarah Palin went on afterward and showed a chart of an economic trend - let's say the stock market - that showed a sharp decline corresponding with Obama taking office in 2008. Here's Obama. Right there is the decline. Easy peasy. As though Obama single-handedly caused the 2008 crash within two months of taking office.

It was a double whammy of "you cannot be serious" coupled with "omg, I wonder what portion of the electorate thinks this is serious." A real "a-ha" moment, if you will, for me.

I remember August of 2008, George W. Bush was off watching the Olympics, piss drunk while Lehman Bros was about 3 weeks away from imploding and unemployment skyrocketed. These people are pathological liars.

Now take this and apply it to Biden's term where he got blamed for inflation, as if things magically started to go haywire in January of 2021 following Year 1 of Covid.

[Capn'O]

Re: the economy

I remember after one of the McCain/Obama debates prior to the election, Sarah Palin went on afterward and showed a chart of an economic trend - let's say the stock market - that showed a sharp decline corresponding with Obama taking office in 2008. Here's Obama. Right there is the decline. Easy peasy. As though Obama single-handedly caused the 2008 crash within two months of taking office.

It was a double whammy of "you cannot be serious" coupled with "omg, I wonder what portion of the electorate thinks this is serious." A real "a-ha" moment, if you will, for me.

I remember August of 2008, George W. Bush was off watching the Olympics, piss drunk while Lehman Bros was about 3 weeks away from imploding and unemployment skyrocketed. These people are pathological liars.

Now take this and apply it to Biden's term where he got blamed for inflation, as if things magically started to go haywire in January of 2021 following Year 1 of Covid.

Exactly.

The super low rates and corresponding crazy runnup on housing/development/stocks had me freaked out for awhile. I don't entirely blame Trump (especially since the FR sets the rates) but what goes up must come down.

[MrDollarBills]

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/nx-s1-5118393/undecided-voters-kamala-harris-donald-trump



This is how dumb the American electorate is, holy sh*t. Literally, there's just nothing you can say to this guy if you're a Dem candidate, how are you supposed to reason with this?

This is why I had to step back and stop taking this stuff so personally over the years. I feel like large swaths of the population really don't understand how government works or what they're even supporting.

Like this guy has a family and he's undecided between the woman who wants to bring back the child tax credit and give middle class families relief and the guy who signed a tax bill that quietly raised taxes on families making below $100k.

"I don't like her policies" but not being able to articulate why is....christ. makes my head hurt

I actually get it in the sense that economics is complicated and people really don’t get it, so they default to how they feel. Biden has had to deal with the fallout of Covid and things have been a little tougher the last 4 years mostly reasons that aren’t his fault. Combine that with Trump marketing himself as some sort of business genius over the last 40 years and you get voters who feel like Trump is better for the economy.

Yeah that's true.

But at the same time, it goes to show you how very little research these voters do when you consider a man who bankrupted casinos several times over (money laundering, but hey) and has numerous failed businesses attached to his name, to be some kind of business genius.

I mean the only thing Don is really good at business wise is ripping people off.

[HarthorneWingo]

Trump’s Repetitive Speech Is a Bad Sign
If the debate was a cognitive test, the former president failed.
By Richard A. Friedman
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2024/09/trump-harris-debate-cognitive-decline/679803/

Spoiler:

It can be helpful to see a trained psychiatrist break down how that man is profoundly mentally ill. This explanation doesn't dig deeply into his psychosis, but it does explain his obvious rapid state of cognitive decline which falls more under the rubric of mental acuity.

However you slice it, as a sociopathic malignant narcissist only capable of feeling genuine emotion from adulation Trump is both mentally ill and in rapid decline as well

The problem is that while Kamala got us back in the game - and in a position to win it - the race is still very tight and Republicans have an electoral advantage.

She continues to erode any leads he had in every swing state. He is only losing ground now. Her favorability rating has gone way up. The debate fall-out continues to convert voters to the Blue side.

The amount of ground she picked up in states like PA, AZ, NC has been huge.

Trump once had a double digit lead among latino voters. It's gone. She has the lead there now.

She's also picking over 50 White Males recently and gained there too.

There once was a 14% black vote for Trump, now polling down to 6%.

It is not just that she's overcome the Biden deficit, she's actually picking up voters from every single demographic week by week. Even TX and FL are sending up alert signals among pollsters that there is a major shift underway even if they don't go blue.

Even Alaska has seen a major drop in GOP support recently.

All signs are this will be a solid win electorally. I'm hoping for a blue wave more for the congressional seats than I am for Harris whom I'm confident will be POTUS.

Don't forget the Supreme Court. Roberts is now unapologetically full-blown MAGA.

[robillionaire]

We finally have a politics general thread again, awesome.

Look up Mark Robinson. The Josh Stein sign out in my yard is looking nice today

[DOT]

Re: the economy

I remember after one of the McCain/Obama debates prior to the election, Sarah Palin went on afterward and showed a chart of an economic trend - let's say the stock market - that showed a sharp decline corresponding with Obama taking office in 2008. Here's Obama. Right there is the decline. Easy peasy. As though Obama single-handedly caused the 2008 crash within two months of taking office.

It was a double whammy of "you cannot be serious" coupled with "omg, I wonder what portion of the electorate thinks this is serious." A real "a-ha" moment, if you will, for me.

Couple years back I was sitting in my dad's office listening to him chat with one of his friends, and the dude said something about how it hadn't been this bad since "The Obama crash of 08" and my dad just sagely nodded along

Obama took office in January 2009. Some people are just dumb

And then there's people like Adin Ross saying he supported Trump because Biden got rid of Roe. I know I call a lot of people idiots but holy f*ck there are some stupid people out there.

[DOT]

We finally have a politics general thread again, awesome.

Look up Mark Robinson. The Josh Stein sign out in my yard is looking nice today

Yeah

F*ckin' wild, that guy

You know they just dropped this cause today is the last day he can drop out of the race and he's down 10+ points in the polls right?

It's always the ones you most suspect too. God Republians are so freakin' weird.

[MrDollarBills]

The problem is that while Kamala got us back in the game - and in a position to win it - the race is still very tight and Republicans have an electoral advantage.

She continues to erode any leads he had in every swing state. He is only losing ground now. Her favorability rating has gone way up. The debate fall-out continues to convert voters to the Blue side.

The amount of ground she picked up in states like PA, AZ, NC has been huge.

Trump once had a double digit lead among latino voters. It's gone. She has the lead there now.

She's also picking over 50 White Males recently and gained there too.

There once was a 14% black vote for Trump, now polling down to 6%.

It is not just that she's overcome the Biden deficit, she's actually picking up voters from every single demographic week by week. Even TX and FL are sending up alert signals among pollsters that there is a major shift underway even if they don't go blue.

Even Alaska has seen a major drop in GOP support recently.

All signs are this will be a solid win electorally. I'm hoping for a blue wave more for the congressional seats than I am for Harris whom I'm confident will be POTUS.

Don't forget the Supreme Court. Roberts is now unapologetically full-blown MAGA.

Roberts believes that the President should be a King. I look forward to seeing the pained look on his face when he has to swear Kamala into office in January. Traitor.

Expand the court. I bet he, Thomas and Alito all resign.

[j4remi]

Agreed on all points, and yeah the American "center" at best on a good day is center-right. Which is why I roll my eyes at self proclaimed Centrists in America, who seem more like Republicans with shame than middle of the road moderates.

Me personally, I was afraid of Biden stepping down because I had no faith in people to unite behind Kamala based on the crap I saw a few years back during the primaries where I saw folks calling her a whore and a cop.

Thank God I was 100% wrong. I'm always glad to be wrong.

Nothing worse to me than an "enlightened" centrist. Libertarians at least own the stuff they support. Watching the Piers Morgans and Jake Tappers of the world "both sides" every issue is always frustrating as hell. It feels so insincere.

My theory about Biden stepping down, which is pretty heavily borrowed from lefties more astute than I am, was that Biden's gaffes were distracting people from just how unhinged Trump was. I thought anyone half-competent could beat Trump just by acting normal.

I thought Harris was just okay during campaign season last time, but that was good enough. Her dunking on Biden at the debates had me confident she'd do well with Trump. Then she showed up way more polished than last time, and it's gone way better than I could have expected.

Yep. I peeped that awhile ago. There are some folks who claim to be leftists with large followings that seem more concerned with knee capping Democrats instead of staving off Trump. Talking about "another 4 years of pain will liberals a lesson".

Like huh??? Whose side are you on here?

Yeah, that wing of the left is frustrating. I wouldn't be surprised if their biggest personalities get paid in a manner similar to the people connected to Tenet Media. It's pure accelerationism, "we need things to get worse, so that people get mad enough to make things better." I reject that completely.

I subscribe to Olayemi's concept that you should vote for the candidate that you have a chance to move on the issues you care about. Rather than "lesser of two evils" it's the "weaker of two adversaries." In this case, weak only means strong critiques from the left could earn a seat at the table to discuss solutions rather than "I must crush you and the woke mob" responses.

I'm surprised Olay's debate with Eric Adams hasn't gotten spun back around now that EVERYONE around him seems to be under investigation.

Yeah. This is kinda why I chuckle when people call somebody like Sanders or AOC "far left" / "extremist". They'd be considered center-left anywhere else in the world .

I was gonna say this. The idea that AOC is some far left extremist is just absurd. In Europe she wouldn't even be considered a real leftist. She even said that herself!

As the party realigns into the next generation, I REALLY hope that AOC becomes more of a representation of the center than the left. She's so far ahead of the curve on messaging and outreach that it's not even funny. The party would be in its best position with AOC and Katie Porter stepping into key roles (Porter already gets some love).

[Capn'O]

Re: the economy

I remember after one of the McCain/Obama debates prior to the election, Sarah Palin went on afterward and showed a chart of an economic trend - let's say the stock market - that showed a sharp decline corresponding with Obama taking office in 2008. Here's Obama. Right there is the decline. Easy peasy. As though Obama single-handedly caused the 2008 crash within two months of taking office.

It was a double whammy of "you cannot be serious" coupled with "omg, I wonder what portion of the electorate thinks this is serious." A real "a-ha" moment, if you will, for me.

Couple years back I was sitting in my dad's office listening to him chat with one of his friends, and the dude said something about how it hadn't been this bad since "The Obama crash of 08" and my dad just sagely nodded along

Obama took office in January 2009. Some people are just dumb

And then there's people like Adin Ross saying he supported Trump because Biden got rid of Roe. I know I call a lot of people idiots but holy f*ck there are some stupid people out there.

Duh. Yes. Crash happened in fall of 2008 and Obama started his term in January. Bear Stearns fell in March of 2008. So the chart was even more egregious than I remembered. Tied it to him winning the election when he won after the crash had already occurred.

[MrDollarBills]

We finally have a politics general thread again, awesome.

Look up Mark Robinson. The Josh Stein sign out in my yard is looking nice today

I have a theory that guys like this faced some kinda child hood trauma that makes them ashamed to be Black and they dedicate their lives to achieve white acceptance.

Him, Byron Donald, Tim Scott, Clarence Thomas. All weird as hell.

Like, being a Black conservative isn't really anything out of the ordinary. At all. Conservative views are very prevalent in among Black folks (see sh*tty views on women and LGBTQ people). But being a Black Republican in 2024 is weird as hell.

Trump's new spokeswoman literally said the white house will smell like curry and "colla greens" because of Kamala and Trump himself said Black folks eat cats and dogs. At what point does self respect come into play?

Dude said slavery should be back on the menu. Does he not understand that he's not special?

[DOT]

Re: the economy

I remember after one of the McCain/Obama debates prior to the election, Sarah Palin went on afterward and showed a chart of an economic trend - let's say the stock market - that showed a sharp decline corresponding with Obama taking office in 2008. Here's Obama. Right there is the decline. Easy peasy. As though Obama single-handedly caused the 2008 crash within two months of taking office.

It was a double whammy of "you cannot be serious" coupled with "omg, I wonder what portion of the electorate thinks this is serious." A real "a-ha" moment, if you will, for me.

Couple years back I was sitting in my dad's office listening to him chat with one of his friends, and the dude said something about how it hadn't been this bad since "The Obama crash of 08" and my dad just sagely nodded along

Obama took office in January 2009. Some people are just dumb

And then there's people like Adin Ross saying he supported Trump because Biden got rid of Roe. I know I call a lot of people idiots but holy f*ck there are some stupid people out there.

Duh. Yes. Crash happened in fall of 2008 and Obama started his term in January. Bear Stearns fell in March of 2008. So the chart was even more egregious than I remembered. Tied it to him winning the election when he won after the crash had already occurred.

Watch on YouTube

[Clyde_Style]

Agreed on all points, and yeah the American "center" at best on a good day is center-right. Which is why I roll my eyes at self proclaimed Centrists in America, who seem more like Republicans with shame than middle of the road moderates.

Me personally, I was afraid of Biden stepping down because I had no faith in people to unite behind Kamala based on the crap I saw a few years back during the primaries where I saw folks calling her a whore and a cop.

Thank God I was 100% wrong. I'm always glad to be wrong.

Nothing worse to me than an "enlightened" centrist. Libertarians at least own the stuff they support. Watching the Piers Morgans and Jake Tappers of the world "both sides" every issue is always frustrating as hell. It feels so insincere.

My theory about Biden stepping down, which is pretty heavily borrowed from lefties more astute than I am, was that Biden's gaffes were distracting people from just how unhinged Trump was. I thought anyone half-competent could beat Trump just by acting normal.

I thought Harris was just okay during campaign season last time, but that was good enough. Her dunking on Biden at the debates had me confident she'd do well with Trump. Then she showed up way more polished than last time, and it's gone way better than I could have expected.

Yep. I peeped that awhile ago. There are some folks who claim to be leftists with large followings that seem more concerned with knee capping Democrats instead of staving off Trump. Talking about "another 4 years of pain will liberals a lesson".

Like huh??? Whose side are you on here?

Yeah, that wing of the left is frustrating. I wouldn't be surprised if their biggest personalities get paid in a manner similar to the people connected to Tenet Media. It's pure accelerationism, "we need things to get worse, so that people get mad enough to make things better." I reject that completely.

I subscribe to Olayemi's concept that you should vote for the candidate that you have a chance to move on the issues you care about. Rather than "lesser of two evils" it's the "weaker of two adversaries." In this case, weak only means strong critiques from the left could earn a seat at the table to discuss solutions rather than "I must crush you and the woke mob" responses.

I'm surprised Olay's debate with Eric Adams hasn't gotten spun back around now that EVERYONE around him seems to be under investigation.

Yeah. This is kinda why I chuckle when people call somebody like Sanders or AOC "far left" / "extremist". They'd be considered center-left anywhere else in the world .

I was gonna say this. The idea that AOC is some far left extremist is just absurd. In Europe she wouldn't even be considered a real leftist. She even said that herself!

As the party realigns into the next generation, I REALLY hope that AOC becomes more of a representation of the center than the left. She's so far ahead of the curve on messaging and outreach that it's not even funny. The party would be in its best position with AOC and Katie Porter stepping into key roles (Porter already gets some love).

They're both great. I wish Warren was 20 years younger to stick around a while longer.

AOC's speech at the DNC was sharp. I believe she is going to break through on the mainstream level at some point and bury the cheesy taunts of the right, because she's able to articulate the interests of working people as well as anyone. Seeing her learn on the job is encouraging, because she's determined to have an impact inside the caucus and not just perform left of center issues.

[Clyde_Style]

Waiting for the 200 articles from the Times calling for Trump to step down

Read on Twitter

So damn weird. I just looked at the comments on Twitter following that clip and all the MAGAs were saying Trump is referring to the TV audience which is their typical bonkers response that conveniently ignores that he said the "audience was going absolutely crazy"

Last I heard, when you're in a studio broadcasting to 70M people you can't hear their response

MAGAs are insane

[Clyde_Style]

Well damn, Mark Robinson in NC is melting down.

That guy is one nasty piece of work. Hope he flames out of politics entirely

[MrDollarBills]

Agreed on all points, and yeah the American "center" at best on a good day is center-right. Which is why I roll my eyes at self proclaimed Centrists in America, who seem more like Republicans with shame than middle of the road moderates.

Me personally, I was afraid of Biden stepping down because I had no faith in people to unite behind Kamala based on the crap I saw a few years back during the primaries where I saw folks calling her a whore and a cop.

Thank God I was 100% wrong. I'm always glad to be wrong.

Nothing worse to me than an "enlightened" centrist. Libertarians at least own the stuff they support. Watching the Piers Morgans and Jake Tappers of the world "both sides" every issue is always frustrating as hell. It feels so insincere.

My theory about Biden stepping down, which is pretty heavily borrowed from lefties more astute than I am, was that Biden's gaffes were distracting people from just how unhinged Trump was. I thought anyone half-competent could beat Trump just by acting normal.

I thought Harris was just okay during campaign season last time, but that was good enough. Her dunking on Biden at the debates had me confident she'd do well with Trump. Then she showed up way more polished than last time, and it's gone way better than I could have expected.

Yep. I peeped that awhile ago. There are some folks who claim to be leftists with large followings that seem more concerned with knee capping Democrats instead of staving off Trump. Talking about "another 4 years of pain will liberals a lesson".

Like huh??? Whose side are you on here?

Yeah, that wing of the left is frustrating. I wouldn't be surprised if their biggest personalities get paid in a manner similar to the people connected to Tenet Media. It's pure accelerationism, "we need things to get worse, so that people get mad enough to make things better." I reject that completely.

I subscribe to Olayemi's concept that you should vote for the candidate that you have a chance to move on the issues you care about. Rather than "lesser of two evils" it's the "weaker of two adversaries." In this case, weak only means strong critiques from the left could earn a seat at the table to discuss solutions rather than "I must crush you and the woke mob" responses.

I'm surprised Olay's debate with Eric Adams hasn't gotten spun back around now that EVERYONE around him seems to be under investigation.

Yeah. This is kinda why I chuckle when people call somebody like Sanders or AOC "far left" / "extremist". They'd be considered center-left anywhere else in the world .

I was gonna say this. The idea that AOC is some far left extremist is just absurd. In Europe she wouldn't even be considered a real leftist. She even said that herself!

As the party realigns into the next generation, I REALLY hope that AOC becomes more of a representation of the center than the left. She's so far ahead of the curve on messaging and outreach that it's not even funny. The party would be in its best position with AOC and Katie Porter stepping into key roles (Porter already gets some love).

Libertarians are at least kinda honest about
their position. Enlightened Centrists are casually full of sh*t and they think that people are too dumb to see that they have sympathetic leanings towards the far right.



Both sides are bad is an absolutely bad faith argument that I'm not even entertaining especially after the last 8 years. Come on. I have lots of criticism for Democrats in Washington but this isn't apples to apples.

I absolutely believe that the investigation into Russia's infiltration into the western political social media circles will reveal that Putin's FSB has touched both the American Left and Right. They've been waging war on us to try to tear the country part from the inside out

I'm honestly not surprised that Adams has the feds circling around his orbit. I just never got a good vibe from him.

I think AOC has learned a lot during her time in Washington, and she is really smart. I feel like a lot of what we've seen from Kamala and Walz is what she was already doing. I think she's growing towards a role of leadership. The main thing I like about her is that she openly has empathy. I notice that when she complains about something, it's not coming from some self serving place, it's the actual truth.

Like the thing about asylum seekers...I think she's right. If someone comes here in need of asylum, why can't we as a country help them? Hell, we're the reason for a lot of the dysfunction in the countries these folks are coming from. I feel like America shouldn't turn her back on people wanting to come here to escape horrible conditions.

My opinion: she just needs to keep learning how to coalition build. Nothing gets done unless you know how to bring different factions together. Nancy Pelosi isn't a saint, but she knows how to whip votes. For politicians like AOC and Porter, this is something important and I hope they were watching her work the room.