OT: Clinton or Bush?

[MrDollarBills]

Well damn, Mark Robinson in NC is melting down.

That guy is one nasty piece of work. Hope he flames out of politics entirely

Weird stuff man. Weird.

[MrDollarBills]

Agreed on all points, and yeah the American "center" at best on a good day is center-right. Which is why I roll my eyes at self proclaimed Centrists in America, who seem more like Republicans with shame than middle of the road moderates.

Me personally, I was afraid of Biden stepping down because I had no faith in people to unite behind Kamala based on the crap I saw a few years back during the primaries where I saw folks calling her a whore and a cop.

Thank God I was 100% wrong. I'm always glad to be wrong.

Nothing worse to me than an "enlightened" centrist. Libertarians at least own the stuff they support. Watching the Piers Morgans and Jake Tappers of the world "both sides" every issue is always frustrating as hell. It feels so insincere.

My theory about Biden stepping down, which is pretty heavily borrowed from lefties more astute than I am, was that Biden's gaffes were distracting people from just how unhinged Trump was. I thought anyone half-competent could beat Trump just by acting normal.

I thought Harris was just okay during campaign season last time, but that was good enough. Her dunking on Biden at the debates had me confident she'd do well with Trump. Then she showed up way more polished than last time, and it's gone way better than I could have expected.

Yep. I peeped that awhile ago. There are some folks who claim to be leftists with large followings that seem more concerned with knee capping Democrats instead of staving off Trump. Talking about "another 4 years of pain will liberals a lesson".

Like huh??? Whose side are you on here?

Yeah, that wing of the left is frustrating. I wouldn't be surprised if their biggest personalities get paid in a manner similar to the people connected to Tenet Media. It's pure accelerationism, "we need things to get worse, so that people get mad enough to make things better." I reject that completely.

I subscribe to Olayemi's concept that you should vote for the candidate that you have a chance to move on the issues you care about. Rather than "lesser of two evils" it's the "weaker of two adversaries." In this case, weak only means strong critiques from the left could earn a seat at the table to discuss solutions rather than "I must crush you and the woke mob" responses.

I'm surprised Olay's debate with Eric Adams hasn't gotten spun back around now that EVERYONE around him seems to be under investigation.

I was gonna say this. The idea that AOC is some far left extremist is just absurd. In Europe she wouldn't even be considered a real leftist. She even said that herself!

As the party realigns into the next generation, I REALLY hope that AOC becomes more of a representation of the center than the left. She's so far ahead of the curve on messaging and outreach that it's not even funny. The party would be in its best position with AOC and Katie Porter stepping into key roles (Porter already gets some love).

They're both great. I wish Warren was 20 years younger to stick around a while longer.

AOC's speech at the DNC was sharp. I believe she is going to break through on the mainstream level at some point and bury the cheesy taunts of the right, because she's able to articulate the interests of working people as well as anyone. Seeing her learn on the job is encouraging, because she's determined to have an impact inside the caucus and not just perform left of center issues.

The GOP set their sights on her immediately because they realized fairly quickly that she is dangerous to them because she can easily dissect their BS. She also knows how to talk sh*t.

This is the new landscape. Decorum only matters so much. You've gotta know how to punch and counter punch now in terms people can understand. She's one of those people that know how.

Also yeah same about Warren but I see people that can fill her shoes as well.

[Clyde_Style]

Nothing worse to me than an "enlightened" centrist. Libertarians at least own the stuff they support. Watching the Piers Morgans and Jake Tappers of the world "both sides" every issue is always frustrating as hell. It feels so insincere.

My theory about Biden stepping down, which is pretty heavily borrowed from lefties more astute than I am, was that Biden's gaffes were distracting people from just how unhinged Trump was. I thought anyone half-competent could beat Trump just by acting normal.

I thought Harris was just okay during campaign season last time, but that was good enough. Her dunking on Biden at the debates had me confident she'd do well with Trump. Then she showed up way more polished than last time, and it's gone way better than I could have expected.



Yeah, that wing of the left is frustrating. I wouldn't be surprised if their biggest personalities get paid in a manner similar to the people connected to Tenet Media. It's pure accelerationism, "we need things to get worse, so that people get mad enough to make things better." I reject that completely.

I subscribe to Olayemi's concept that you should vote for the candidate that you have a chance to move on the issues you care about. Rather than "lesser of two evils" it's the "weaker of two adversaries." In this case, weak only means strong critiques from the left could earn a seat at the table to discuss solutions rather than "I must crush you and the woke mob" responses.

I'm surprised Olay's debate with Eric Adams hasn't gotten spun back around now that EVERYONE around him seems to be under investigation.



As the party realigns into the next generation, I REALLY hope that AOC becomes more of a representation of the center than the left. She's so far ahead of the curve on messaging and outreach that it's not even funny. The party would be in its best position with AOC and Katie Porter stepping into key roles (Porter already gets some love).

They're both great. I wish Warren was 20 years younger to stick around a while longer.

AOC's speech at the DNC was sharp. I believe she is going to break through on the mainstream level at some point and bury the cheesy taunts of the right, because she's able to articulate the interests of working people as well as anyone. Seeing her learn on the job is encouraging, because she's determined to have an impact inside the caucus and not just perform left of center issues.

The GOP set their sights on her immediately because they realized fairly quickly that she is dangerous to them because she can easily dissect their BS. She also knows how to talk sh*t.

This is the new landscape. Decorum only matters so much. You've gotta know how to punch and counter punch now in terms people can understand. She's one of those people that know how.

Also yeah same about Warren but I see people that can fill her shoes as well.

To be fair, AOC may be more to the left, but she's actually smart which means she's going to find the path to success which in America these days requires threading the eye of the needle. She will choose to represent her constituency without going so far out of the mainstream as to be rendered ineffective.

[Clyde_Style]

If you support Trump, understand what you are voting for. Meanwhile the rest of us, liberals, progressives, moderates, Never Trump conservatives, etc will be voting to protect you from these goons who do not care one iota about you or your families.

Most Trump supporters seem to almost embrace the "negatives" associated with Trump as a "necessary evi"l based on the narrative that Trump is the only person who can either

1. Fix the Economy - Doesn't matter what Trump will actually do. Between the association of the democratic party with radical socialists like Bernie Sanders and the exceptionally inflation observed during the Biden administration, people want to support Trump as an economic solution

2. Fix Woke Culture - A lot of extremists lies have been created to make liberals look crazy. My favorite lie was the narrative that democrats were pushing to standardize litters boxes in schools for children who identify as cats. Regardless there are a lot of people who think Americas has lots its way and want an extreme leader who isn't afraid of being accused of discrimination. For scary thought

3. Border Control - Probably the one topic where Trump might actually have some effect. Illegal immigration hit all time highs during Biden's term. People want action on this topic and democrats typically oppose this with some extremists like AOC going as far as wanting to claim there are no such thing as illegal immigrations, these are just asylum seekers.

My biggest frustration with Trump supporters is they don't seem to actually support Trump. They support this imaginary narrative of his fixing the 3 issues above.

The people who think Trump is better for the economy probably don't even understand the difference between his policies and Biden's. Or the fact that historically the US Economy under Democrat presidents overwhelmingly performs well.

These are the same people who blame presidents for gas prices. They don't know how anything works.

The tariff thing is wacky as all F yet his supporters think Trump is going to bring the price of goods down?

Trump is so stupid he doesn't even understand what tariffs do and who picks up the tab once an import clears customs. His supporters are brain dead if they think inflation will go lower under Trump

I know why Trump fixated on tariffs. It has zilch to do with economics. It just goes well with his border jingoism. Basic rube level isolationist saber rattling BS.

[Clyde_Style]

Re: the economy

I remember after one of the McCain/Obama debates prior to the election, Sarah Palin went on afterward and showed a chart of an economic trend - let's say the stock market - that showed a sharp decline corresponding with Obama taking office in 2008. Here's Obama. Right there is the decline. Easy peasy. As though Obama single-handedly caused the 2008 crash within two months of taking office.

It was a double whammy of "you cannot be serious" coupled with "omg, I wonder what portion of the electorate thinks this is serious." A real "a-ha" moment, if you will, for me.

[MrDollarBills]

Jasmine Crockett is another person in the House I've noticed that just does not care and talks sh*t to these guys



https://www.nbcnews.com/video/rep-crockett-takes-aim-at-project-2025-and-trump-at-house-hearing-219733061756

[MrDollarBills]

They're both great. I wish Warren was 20 years younger to stick around a while longer.

AOC's speech at the DNC was sharp. I believe she is going to break through on the mainstream level at some point and bury the cheesy taunts of the right, because she's able to articulate the interests of working people as well as anyone. Seeing her learn on the job is encouraging, because she's determined to have an impact inside the caucus and not just perform left of center issues.

The GOP set their sights on her immediately because they realized fairly quickly that she is dangerous to them because she can easily dissect their BS. She also knows how to talk sh*t.

This is the new landscape. Decorum only matters so much. You've gotta know how to punch and counter punch now in terms people can understand. She's one of those people that know how.

Also yeah same about Warren but I see people that can fill her shoes as well.

To be fair, AOC may be more to the left, but she's actually smart which means she's going to find the path to success which in America these days requires threading the eye of the needle. She will choose to represent her constituency without going so far out of the mainstream as to be rendered ineffective.

I mean I pretty much agree with most of her positions, so the fact that she's figuring out how to navigate Washington makes me very happy.

[omerome]

Jasmine Crockett is another person in the House I've noticed that just does not care and talks sh*t to these guys



https://www.nbcnews.com/video/rep-crockett-takes-aim-at-project-2025-and-trump-at-house-hearing-219733061756

I see big things from here in the future IMO.

She is already the co-chair for the Harris campaign and I see her doing much more than that.

[Clyde_Style]

This is why I had to step back and stop taking this stuff so personally over the years. I feel like large swaths of the population really don't understand how government works or what they're even supporting.

Like this guy has a family and he's undecided between the woman who wants to bring back the child tax credit and give middle class families relief and the guy who signed a tax bill that quietly raised taxes on families making below $100k.

"I don't like her policies" but not being able to articulate why is....christ. makes my head hurt

I actually get it in the sense that economics is complicated and people really don’t get it, so they default to how they feel. Biden has had to deal with the fallout of Covid and things have been a little tougher the last 4 years mostly reasons that aren’t his fault. Combine that with Trump marketing himself as some sort of business genius over the last 40 years and you get voters who feel like Trump is better for the economy.

Yeah that's true.

But at the same time, it goes to show you how very little research these voters do when you consider a man who bankrupted casinos several times over (money laundering, but hey) and has numerous failed businesses attached to his name, to be some kind of business genius.

I mean the only thing Don is really good at business wise is ripping people off.

Not sure why no one ever mentions it, but besides being the only man in the world unable to turn a profit at a casino (multiple casinos), he also singlehandedly put an entire sports league, the USFL, out of business. The man is an econo-toxin.

His primary method of making money from the 1990s forward was licensing his name and ripping of investors while being too over-leveraged for the banks to call in his loans without them losing their whole portfolio.

When American banks cut off his credit lines he somehow got funding from Deutsche Bank which at the same time in the end of the 90s early 2000s became a notorious money launderer for Putin. This was the credit line that kept Trump afloat during the Apprentice years. The TV show alone could not service his debt.

Since he was elected, his two newfound businesses was fleecing his small donors and taking bribes from foreign nationals. His son-in-law got bailed out for a billion at 666 Fifth Avenue and then another $2 billion for running a hedge fund with no investment experience.

Trump is a con man with no ability to generate wealth for others, much less impact the price of consumer goods. Only an idiot would believe he has any economic acumen.

[MrDollarBills]

Jasmine Crockett is another person in the House I've noticed that just does not care and talks sh*t to these guys



https://www.nbcnews.com/video/rep-crockett-takes-aim-at-project-2025-and-trump-at-house-hearing-219733061756

I see big things from here in the future IMO.

She is already the co-chair for the Harris campaign and I see her doing much more than that.

She's got a bright future. Once I saw her say that the former President had "the people's secrets stashed in the sh*tter", I was on board. She talks my language.

I'm not surprised Kamala tapped her to be a co chair. It's just not the fact that she isn't scared to go at Republicans. She's smart. Knows how to communicate effectively in a manner that will capture attention.

This stuff matters. I like the direction the party is going in.

[MrDollarBills]

I actually get it in the sense that economics is complicated and people really don’t get it, so they default to how they feel. Biden has had to deal with the fallout of Covid and things have been a little tougher the last 4 years mostly reasons that aren’t his fault. Combine that with Trump marketing himself as some sort of business genius over the last 40 years and you get voters who feel like Trump is better for the economy.

Yeah that's true.

But at the same time, it goes to show you how very little research these voters do when you consider a man who bankrupted casinos several times over (money laundering, but hey) and has numerous failed businesses attached to his name, to be some kind of business genius.

I mean the only thing Don is really good at business wise is ripping people off.

Not sure why no one ever mentions it, but besides being the only man in the world unable to turn a profit at a casino (multiple casinos), he also singlehandedly put an entire sports league, the USFL, out of business. The man is an econo-toxin.

His primary method of making money from the 1990s forward was licensing his name and ripping of investors while being too over-leveraged for the banks to call in his loans without them losing their whole portfolio.

When American banks cut off his credit lines he somehow got funding from Deutsche Bank which at the same time in the end of the 90s early 2000s became a notorious money launderer for Putin. This was the credit line that kept Trump afloat during the Apprentice years. The TV show alone could not service his debt.

Since he was elected, his two newfound businesses was fleecing his small donors and taking bribes from foreign nationals. His son-in-law got bailed out for a billion at 666 Fifth Avenue and then another $2 billion for running a hedge fund with no investment experience.

Trump is a con man with no ability to generate wealth for others, much less impact the price of consumer goods. Only an idiot would believe he has any economic acumen.

He's your typical northeastern con artist. He's a leech, a carnival barker, and a scammer.

He's not anything special here. We've all come across people like that

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Mark Robinson WTF. I need to wash out my eyes with bleach after this. I’m no prude but what the hell?

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Mark Robinson WTF. I need to wash out my eyes with bleach after this. I’m no prude but what the hell?

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Do Not Let Dollar Bills Read That Please. Thank You In Advance

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This is what a real leader looks like

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She's very happy about this

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What's so comical is Trump is a Nazi Rapist too, but nah that don't matter. Sorry, Mark Robinson, I'm not saying singling you out is unfair, because you're a vile person and I'm quite pleased you may be handing NC to Harris now. Well done you perv

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We might be bad being on a knicks message board but we're not as bad as those freaks on porn message boards.

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This karmic boomerang can't be stopped

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