Payton Jr. + 2nds for Sasser

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Re: Payton Jr. + 2nds for Sasser 

Post#21 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Sep 20, 2024 9:02 pm

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I'd be shocked if being in the tax this year or not will ever make a difference as to whether or not GS pays a repeater tax. There won't be a 2nd year out of the tax until their post-Curry rebuild - at which point they'll probably be out of the tax for a couple years.

If it's easy enough GS could certainly make a move to get out of the tax this year (if only for the tax saving of this season). But I don't see them being overly concerned about it or making extreme moves.


They could be out of the tax this year and next if they wanted to, even competing. What if they make a deal for another star and it uses Kuminga for value and salary matching of some combo of Wiggins, Hield, SloMo, etc?

I wouldn’t say they’re desperate to get out of the repeater tax, but they’ve already effectively replaced Payton in the rotation, so why let him keep you in repeater zone going forward? If you get one year out of the luxury tax, you can then easily decide to recalibrate and stay under the tax another year. But if you stay in the tax for a guy you’ve replaced, any chance at resetting the repeater would take 2 new years of actions.

I agree Scoot. To put it another way, why wouldn't we try to get out of the tax this year if all it costs us is 2 seconds and a non-rotation player?



Yeah. Mostly, it opens up a ton of flexibility the next couple years and doesn’t really hurt them on the court, while costing so little. It’d be one of those “keep all your options open” kind of thing.
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Re: Payton Jr. + 2nds for Sasser 

Post#22 » by chrbal » Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:57 am

babyjax13 wrote:
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His point and I don’t think we can take back that much money difference in a trade



Detroit has the cap space to make the trade, if they so wanted. I think they could even keep Sasser here and send Wendell Moore or no one at all. For GS, I think they’d be willing to spend 2 2nds to get under the tax and sign a vet minimum themselves?

Wendell Moore makes more sense to me. Sasser seems a bit rich, I think he's worth those 2nds on his own (at worst) and Payton's contract is clearly negative.


I was wrong on numbers apparently. Detroit shouldn’t do Sasser for Payton and picks, but Moore I would absolutely trade. Don’t need much out of Payton II, Moore is just that bad. And if Gary just doesn’t fit you trade him for whatever or, most likely, just waive him. I don’t mind this version
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Re: Payton Jr. + 2nds for Sasser 

Post#23 » by oldncreaky » Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:14 am

chrbal wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:

Detroit has the cap space to make the trade, if they so wanted. I think they could even keep Sasser here and send Wendell Moore or no one at all. For GS, I think they’d be willing to spend 2 2nds to get under the tax and sign a vet minimum themselves?

Wendell Moore makes more sense to me. Sasser seems a bit rich, I think he's worth those 2nds on his own (at worst) and Payton's contract is clearly negative.


I was wrong on numbers apparently. Detroit shouldn’t do Sasser for Payton and picks, but Moore I would absolutely trade. Don’t need much out of Payton II, Moore is just that bad. And if Gary just doesn’t fit you trade him for whatever or, most likely, just waive him. I don’t mind this version


Agree. Keep it simple. GSW gets good value if it only costs them 2 SRP to duck under the tax line, so DET should pick the min-salary player they want to send for GSW to waive. If they see extra value in Sasser, I'd be open, but the draft compensation has to increase.

Looks like a fall-back trade deadline deal anyway.
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