2024 49ers Season

[thesack12]

What's even more infuriating about this is how good Hawks D looks. Just adds salt to the wound.

Broncos, Pats, Miami (with a **** QB). Still waiting for them to play someone good

Look at who we've played. Jets, Vikings with Darnold, and Rams with no receivers.

Who's trying to claim that the 49er defense is good?

[Big J]

Broncos, Pats, Miami (with a **** QB). Still waiting for them to play someone good

Look at who we've played. Jets, Vikings with Darnold, and Rams with no receivers.

Who's trying to claim that the 49er defense is good?

Nobody, it's just frustrating that we can't do what they do against bad teams.

[CrimsonCrew]

What's even more infuriating about this is how good Hawks D looks. Just adds salt to the wound.

Broncos, Pats, Miami (with a **** QB). Still waiting for them to play someone good

Look at who we've played. Jets, Vikings with Darnold, and Rams with no receivers.

Vikings with Darnold are looking semi-legit. Though piling on our D ain't much to brag about.

[CrimsonCrew]

With this team the main concern for me is the defense.

They'll be fine on offense especially as they get healthier and healthier but as it stands now with the defense it's hard to see them making a serious run at a Super Bowl.

The concerning thing to me is that the issues that plagued the defense last season still plague them this season if not worse.

And what frustrates me to no end and what probably annoys me most about the team overall is we frequently have offenses exactly where we want them with 3rd and 7+ but we frequently allow them to convert and what should be a low percentage conversion.

If the defense could only fix that it would still have some issues but it would be leagues better than what it is now.

Yup, I shared similar thoughts in the game thread reflecting on Sorenson.

After thinking about it a bit more, one of the more frustrating things about the defense struggles is they aren't really playing aggressive and taking any risks. They are running safe schemes and calling safe plays, and are routinely just getting cleanly outplayed and outschemed.

Its not like they are running a blitz heavy scheme, playing a bunch of cover zero, putting 8 in the box to sell out against the run, or anything along those lines. Any of those would make the defense vulnerable to get beaten.

No, they are running a lot of soft zones while routinely only rushing 4. Its almost like they game plan around running prevent style fronts regardless of who the opponent is, or what the clock and score board says.

I don't know, but it sure does seem like Sorenson doesn't have any answers for the long standing defensive issues.

Yeah, that's a big part of the concern. You could live with the big plays if you're playing an aggressive, playmaking defense. But we're not. We're playing conservatively, still giving up big plays, can't get off the field. It's as bad as I've seen. And as someone else pointed out, we haven't played a good offense yet. The last two weeks, we've been gashed by backups.

[thesack12]

Look at who we've played. Jets, Vikings with Darnold, and Rams with no receivers.

Who's trying to claim that the 49er defense is good?

Nobody, it's just frustrating that we can't do what they do against bad teams.

+1 for us agreeing on something

[arich35]

What's even more infuriating about this is how good Hawks D looks. Just adds salt to the wound.

Broncos, Pats, Miami (with a **** QB). Still waiting for them to play someone good

Look at who we've played. Jets, Vikings with Darnold, and Rams with no receivers.

What is your point? Our defense sucks, doesn't mean the Hawks D is that good

[WentzerWuver]

With this team the main concern for me is the defense.

They'll be fine on offense especially as they get healthier and healthier but as it stands now with the defense it's hard to see them making a serious run at a Super Bowl.

The concerning thing to me is that the issues that plagued the defense last season still plague them this season if not worse.

And what frustrates me to no end and what probably annoys me most about the team overall is we frequently have offenses exactly where we want them with 3rd and 7+ but we frequently allow them to convert and what should be a low percentage conversion.

If the defense could only fix that it would still have some issues but it would be leagues better than what it is now.

Yup, I shared similar thoughts in the game thread reflecting on Sorenson.

After thinking about it a bit more, one of the more frustrating things about the defense struggles is they aren't really playing aggressive and taking any risks. They are running safe schemes and calling safe plays, and are routinely just getting cleanly outplayed and outschemed.

Its not like they are running a blitz heavy scheme, playing a bunch of cover zero, putting 8 in the box to sell out against the run, or anything along those lines. Any of those would make the defense vulnerable to get beaten.

No, they are running a lot of soft zones while routinely only rushing 4. Its almost like they game plan around running prevent style fronts regardless of who the opponent is, or what the clock and score board says.

I don't know, but it sure does seem like Sorenson doesn't have any answers for the long standing defensive issues.

I warn you guys about having a noob DC running a top notch defense over Wilks just cause Kyle wants to go back to their old defensive schemes along with his scapegoat tendencies. I also stated during off season Fangio was the best option to replace Wilks, not a noob cause I know what im talking about Lol

Vic Eagles shut down the high flying Saints today with an ingenious confusing blitzes package.

https://youtu.be/FSdSp-k0nNc?si=tJUqA9UQJyMHBtAL

[Jikkle]

My casual observations of the defense and not saying they are right because not some guy that studies the All-22 or anything like that but we seem to struggle with

-Bunch formations seem to give us lots of problems. Feels like the offense is able to get one of our guys trailing one of theirs with them for the easy 3rd down conversion.

-Campbell should not be on the field on passing downs and they should bring in one of the safeties instead. Campbell is not Greenlaw and is constantly being picked on in the passing game. This is one area I would blast Sorensen with because he should be adjusting the defense to the personnel not just running the same defense like we have the same guys as always.

-I still think the back end is a way bigger problem than the defensive line. Not saying the defensive line can't be better but most of our issues stem from guys in the back end allowing easy completions than our defensive line not getting pressure.

-It does feel like beyond the scheme and play calling the secondary just isn't well-coached. Seems like we do have guys missing assignments and we have guys constantly getting flags and constantly not playing the ball. It's the one area I thought was a positive with Wilks in that secondary play felt sharper and guys were making plays on the ball.

Overall I do think it was a mistake on Shanahan's part not being willing to shape up the defense and just go back to the old defense that we've ran for years.

[CrimsonCrew]

With this team the main concern for me is the defense.

They'll be fine on offense especially as they get healthier and healthier but as it stands now with the defense it's hard to see them making a serious run at a Super Bowl.

The concerning thing to me is that the issues that plagued the defense last season still plague them this season if not worse.

And what frustrates me to no end and what probably annoys me most about the team overall is we frequently have offenses exactly where we want them with 3rd and 7+ but we frequently allow them to convert and what should be a low percentage conversion.

If the defense could only fix that it would still have some issues but it would be leagues better than what it is now.

Yup, I shared similar thoughts in the game thread reflecting on Sorenson.

After thinking about it a bit more, one of the more frustrating things about the defense struggles is they aren't really playing aggressive and taking any risks. They are running safe schemes and calling safe plays, and are routinely just getting cleanly outplayed and outschemed.

Its not like they are running a blitz heavy scheme, playing a bunch of cover zero, putting 8 in the box to sell out against the run, or anything along those lines. Any of those would make the defense vulnerable to get beaten.

No, they are running a lot of soft zones while routinely only rushing 4. Its almost like they game plan around running prevent style fronts regardless of who the opponent is, or what the clock and score board says.

I don't know, but it sure does seem like Sorenson doesn't have any answers for the long standing defensive issues.

I warn you guys about having a noob DC running a top notch defense over Wilks just cause Kyle wants to go back to their old defensive schemes along with his scapegoat tendencies. I also stated during off season Fangio was the best option to replace Wilks, not a noob cause I know what im talking about Lol

Vic Eagles shut down the high flying Saints today with an ingenious confusing blitzes package.

https://youtu.be/FSdSp-k0nNc?si=tJUqA9UQJyMHBtAL

Fangio was hired before the super bowl. He also runs a 3-4 that isn't conducive to our personnel.

[Jikkle]

With this team the main concern for me is the defense.

They'll be fine on offense especially as they get healthier and healthier but as it stands now with the defense it's hard to see them making a serious run at a Super Bowl.

The concerning thing to me is that the issues that plagued the defense last season still plague them this season if not worse.

And what frustrates me to no end and what probably annoys me most about the team overall is we frequently have offenses exactly where we want them with 3rd and 7+ but we frequently allow them to convert and what should be a low percentage conversion.

If the defense could only fix that it would still have some issues but it would be leagues better than what it is now.

Yup, I shared similar thoughts in the game thread reflecting on Sorenson.

After thinking about it a bit more, one of the more frustrating things about the defense struggles is they aren't really playing aggressive and taking any risks. They are running safe schemes and calling safe plays, and are routinely just getting cleanly outplayed and outschemed.

Its not like they are running a blitz heavy scheme, playing a bunch of cover zero, putting 8 in the box to sell out against the run, or anything along those lines. Any of those would make the defense vulnerable to get beaten.

No, they are running a lot of soft zones while routinely only rushing 4. Its almost like they game plan around running prevent style fronts regardless of who the opponent is, or what the clock and score board says.

I don't know, but it sure does seem like Sorenson doesn't have any answers for the long standing defensive issues.

I warn you guys about having a noob DC running a top notch defense over Wilks just cause Kyle wants to go back to their old defensive schemes along with his scapegoat tendencies. I also stated during off season Fangio was the best option to replace Wilks, not a noob cause I know what im talking about Lol

Vic Eagles shut down the high flying Saints today with an ingenious confusing blitzes package.

https://youtu.be/FSdSp-k0nNc?si=tJUqA9UQJyMHBtAL

I don't think anyone was clamoring for Sorensen to be DC.

I think we all were concerned when the DC search took so long and they circled back to Sorensen. Even Shanahan didn't seem like he was super into Sorsensen being DC.

My opinion from reading the between the lines but I'm pretty sure Shanahan's choice is Staley for DC. I think he didn't want a repeat of Wilks by having an outsider try to conform to the 9ers and Staley was coming off a bad exit from the Chargers so the optics wouldn't have been great. I believe Shanahan wanted to give Staley time to learn the 49er way and for the players to get comfortable with him before putting him in the DCs role. Because one reason Wilks got fired I believe is the defensive players complained about Wilks to Shanahan and they wanted their old comfortable defense back.

Personally, I don't even completely blame Sorensen because I'm of the belief that the scheme itself is past its expiration date.

[WentzerWuver]

Yup, I shared similar thoughts in the game thread reflecting on Sorenson.

After thinking about it a bit more, one of the more frustrating things about the defense struggles is they aren't really playing aggressive and taking any risks. They are running safe schemes and calling safe plays, and are routinely just getting cleanly outplayed and outschemed.

Its not like they are running a blitz heavy scheme, playing a bunch of cover zero, putting 8 in the box to sell out against the run, or anything along those lines. Any of those would make the defense vulnerable to get beaten.

No, they are running a lot of soft zones while routinely only rushing 4. Its almost like they game plan around running prevent style fronts regardless of who the opponent is, or what the clock and score board says.

I don't know, but it sure does seem like Sorenson doesn't have any answers for the long standing defensive issues.

I warn you guys about having a noob DC running a top notch defense over Wilks just cause Kyle wants to go back to their old defensive schemes along with his scapegoat tendencies. I also stated during off season Fangio was the best option to replace Wilks, not a noob cause I know what im talking about Lol

Vic Eagles shut down the high flying Saints today with an ingenious confusing blitzes package.

https://youtu.be/FSdSp-k0nNc?si=tJUqA9UQJyMHBtAL

I don't think anyone was clamoring for Sorensen to be DC.

I think we all were concerned when the DC search took so long and they circled back to Sorensen. Even Shanahan didn't seem like he was super into Sorsensen being DC.

My opinion from reading the between the lines but I'm pretty sure Shanahan's choice is Staley for DC. I think he didn't want a repeat of Wilks by having an outsider try to conform to the 9ers and Staley was coming off a bad exit from the Chargers so the optics wouldn't have been great. I believe Shanahan wanted to give Staley time to learn the 49er way and for the players to get comfortable with him before putting him in the DCs role. Because one reason Wilks got fired I believe is the defensive players complained about Wilks to Shanahan and they wanted their old comfortable defense back.

Personally, I don't even completely blame Sorensen because I'm of the belief that the scheme itself is past its expiration date.

I agree with you on those overpaid defensive players complaining like babies to a push over like Kyle to appease them and it worked. I have little respect for him after that.

https://youtu.be/dGYUGw_XtYQ?si=p6ieCROzLBC6i3O0

[Jikkle]

It's almost certainly a Staley thing but can we not do the drop our best pass rushers into coverage thing? I noticed Bosa did it at least once against the Vikings and Floyd did it at least once against the Rams.

It very rarely tricks an offense and all you're doing is making the coverage and pass rush worse at the same time. Offensive lines simply are trained to look inside out for the most dangerous guy so dropping a DE into coverage isn't going to create more pressure and most QBs have no trouble identifying a DE in coverage and they probably relish that matchup.

[thesack12]

Yup, I shared similar thoughts in the game thread reflecting on Sorenson.

After thinking about it a bit more, one of the more frustrating things about the defense struggles is they aren't really playing aggressive and taking any risks. They are running safe schemes and calling safe plays, and are routinely just getting cleanly outplayed and outschemed.

Its not like they are running a blitz heavy scheme, playing a bunch of cover zero, putting 8 in the box to sell out against the run, or anything along those lines. Any of those would make the defense vulnerable to get beaten.

No, they are running a lot of soft zones while routinely only rushing 4. Its almost like they game plan around running prevent style fronts regardless of who the opponent is, or what the clock and score board says.

I don't know, but it sure does seem like Sorenson doesn't have any answers for the long standing defensive issues.

I warn you guys about having a noob DC running a top notch defense over Wilks just cause Kyle wants to go back to their old defensive schemes along with his scapegoat tendencies. I also stated during off season Fangio was the best option to replace Wilks, not a noob cause I know what im talking about Lol

Vic Eagles shut down the high flying Saints today with an ingenious confusing blitzes package.

https://youtu.be/FSdSp-k0nNc?si=tJUqA9UQJyMHBtAL

Fangio was hired before the super bowl. He also runs a 3-4 that isn't conducive to our personnel.

Fangio also left Miami for Philly because he wanted to be closer to his family.

So yeah, Vic was never a candidate for SF for multiple reasons.

[wco81]

Doubt Fagio would ever work for York again.

[CrimsonCrew]

Doubt Fagio would ever work for York again.

I thought that at one point, but as memory serves, he was around the team a fair bit the year he wasn't coaching. I had hoped it was a sign he might return. He wasn't coming here this offseason regardless, but I wouldn't say it's absolutely impossible that he would at some point. Though again our personnel is not 3-4 friendly right now. We don't have DTs who can hold up against the run in an even front. Definitely don't have a true NT.

[Pattersonca65]

Yup, I shared similar thoughts in the game thread reflecting on Sorenson.

After thinking about it a bit more, one of the more frustrating things about the defense struggles is they aren't really playing aggressive and taking any risks. They are running safe schemes and calling safe plays, and are routinely just getting cleanly outplayed and outschemed.

Its not like they are running a blitz heavy scheme, playing a bunch of cover zero, putting 8 in the box to sell out against the run, or anything along those lines. Any of those would make the defense vulnerable to get beaten.

No, they are running a lot of soft zones while routinely only rushing 4. Its almost like they game plan around running prevent style fronts regardless of who the opponent is, or what the clock and score board says.

I don't know, but it sure does seem like Sorenson doesn't have any answers for the long standing defensive issues.

I warn you guys about having a noob DC running a top notch defense over Wilks just cause Kyle wants to go back to their old defensive schemes along with his scapegoat tendencies. I also stated during off season Fangio was the best option to replace Wilks, not a noob cause I know what im talking about Lol

Vic Eagles shut down the high flying Saints today with an ingenious confusing blitzes package.

https://youtu.be/FSdSp-k0nNc?si=tJUqA9UQJyMHBtAL

I don't think anyone was clamoring for Sorensen to be DC.

I think we all were concerned when the DC search took so long and they circled back to Sorensen. Even Shanahan didn't seem like he was super into Sorsensen being DC.

My opinion from reading the between the lines but I'm pretty sure Shanahan's choice is Staley for DC. I think he didn't want a repeat of Wilks by having an outsider try to conform to the 9ers and Staley was coming off a bad exit from the Chargers so the optics wouldn't have been great. I believe Shanahan wanted to give Staley time to learn the 49er way and for the players to get comfortable with him before putting him in the DCs role. Because one reason Wilks got fired I believe is the defensive players complained about Wilks to Shanahan and they wanted their old comfortable defense back.

Personally, I don't even completely blame Sorensen because I'm of the belief that the scheme itself is past its expiration date.

That and Wilks poor play calling. That one play call last season before the half that ended in touchdown probably sealed his fate. The defense over Shanahan's tenure put a lot of resources into the defensive line. The theory was stuff the run to force third and long and then get pressure on the QB. They didn't even need to worry much about the back end if they could get pressure. But th dline has underperformed for a couple of seasons and this season the dline looks just like last season. I think the Rams are playing backups at least a couple of positions. The 49ers got some pressure early in the game but other than some blitzing allowed Stafford way too much time. Hargrove has a borderline backup PFF rating. That is looking like a bad signing and he has some big cap dollars assigned to him over the next couple of years.

[Pattersonca65]

Doubt Fagio would ever work for York again.

I believe he was considered for the DC position either last season or the season before but the 49ers wanted someone else. I would have loved to have him back but maybe because he has run a 3-4 the 49ers wanted to stick with their system

[Pattersonca65]

Doubt Fagio would ever work for York again.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/vic-fangio-no-longer-a-49ers-coordinator-17759812.php

[CrimsonCrew]

Doubt Fagio would ever work for York again.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/vic-fangio-no-longer-a-49ers-coordinator-17759812.php

Probably a mistake at that point, even with the scheme differences. We could have been more aggressive about adding a NT, and Floyd and Hargrave have played in a 3-4. I think Gross-Matos has, too.

As said, I don't think there was ever a serious chance of him coming this offseason.

[Pattersonca65]

With this team the main concern for me is the defense.

They'll be fine on offense especially as they get healthier and healthier but as it stands now with the defense it's hard to see them making a serious run at a Super Bowl.

The concerning thing to me is that the issues that plagued the defense last season still plague them this season if not worse.

And what frustrates me to no end and what probably annoys me most about the team overall is we frequently have offenses exactly where we want them with 3rd and 7+ but we frequently allow them to convert and what should be a low percentage conversion.

If the defense could only fix that it would still have some issues but it would be leagues better than what it is now.

Yup, I shared similar thoughts in the game thread reflecting on Sorenson.

After thinking about it a bit more, one of the more frustrating things about the defense struggles is they aren't really playing aggressive and taking any risks. They are running safe schemes and calling safe plays, and are routinely just getting cleanly outplayed and outschemed.

Its not like they are running a blitz heavy scheme, playing a bunch of cover zero, putting 8 in the box to sell out against the run, or anything along those lines. Any of those would make the defense vulnerable to get beaten.

No, they are running a lot of soft zones while routinely only rushing 4. Its almost like they game plan around running prevent style fronts regardless of who the opponent is, or what the clock and score board says.

I don't know, but it sure does seem like Sorenson doesn't have any answers for the long standing defensive issues.

I warn you guys about having a noob DC running a top notch defense over Wilks just cause Kyle wants to go back to their old defensive schemes along with his scapegoat tendencies. I also stated during off season Fangio was the best option to replace Wilks, not a noob cause I know what im talking about Lol

Vic Eagles shut down the high flying Saints today with an ingenious confusing blitzes package.

https://youtu.be/FSdSp-k0nNc?si=tJUqA9UQJyMHBtAL

Well, you are preaching to the choir here. I've wanted Fangio back for years since KS came here. Always been a fan.