Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October

[RichCollab]

Second unit to start the season if we are at full health.

Black
Cole
Harris
JI
Moe

Harris and Cole are the most likely to lose minutes.

[Skybox]

I honestly expect da Silva to be in the rotation and, quite possibly on an All-Rookie (2nd?) team as a contributor like Jaime Jacquez was…I also expect other draftees to surpass him over the years as he is a mature 23 yo with clearly developed skills that are NBA-ready.

It wouldn’t shock me if a healthy Cory Joseph is the first guard off the bench…I hope Black & Harris show up & blow up…but Joseph is a very good player and I think Cole will also have a clear lane to grab that role and just might.

[RichCollab]

I honestly expect da Silva to be in the rotation and, quite possibly on an All-Rookie (2nd?) team as a contributor like Jaime Jacquez was…I also expect other draftees to surpass him over the years as he is a mature 23 yo with clearly developed skills that are NBA-ready.

It wouldn’t shock me if a healthy Cory Joseph is the first guard off the bench…I hope Black & Harris show up & blow up…but Joseph is a very good player and I think Cole will also have a clear lane to grab that role and just might.

I would be shocked if Cory makes the rotation.

[eyriq]

This is why people weren’t initially jazzed about bringing Gary back. It left little to no minutes for the youth.

You aren’t going to convince me that Mosely is going to forgo playing a guy that started in the playoffs or the 23 year old 6’9 rookie that provides lacking offense off the bench.

Coaches don’t play project 20 year olds over those guys if their objective is to win games.

Depends on the need, tbh.

If the 20 year old brings almost the same as Harris but can also being a connecting piece, i don’t really see why not.

The path is already clear for Black and Tds to get minutes.

Especially black since we need ballhandlers and gary isnt necessarily that.

Black is also not great ball handler and also worse shooter. He had dissapointing summer league, being clearly worse than both Howard and Silva propably even in playmaking.
He was ok in starting lineup during season when his responsibility was defending but coming from the bench is different. If we think about replacing Ingles both TdS and Howard are much more similar.
I dont think the rotation is set right now, but i will be suprised if Da Silva is not above Black in the rotation.

He had a good summer league and was better than Jett. He absolutely dominated the first game.

[Bensational]

We had 12 players play at least 50 games last season and average a minimum of 13.8mpg. 14 players played over 40 games. There will be minutes and touches for everyone in the regular season and Mosley will let the cream rise to the top for the playoffs and go with his strongest guys at that point.

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We had 12 players play at least 50 games last season and average a minimum of 13.8mpg. 14 players played over 40 games. There will be minutes and touches for everyone in the regular season and Mosley will let the cream rise to the top for the playoffs and go with his strongest guys at that point.

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Jett, AB, and Houstan didn’t get a lot of minutes in the last 30 games of the season.

Caleb played 10 games with more than 12mpg in the last 40 games. AB played 18 games more than 12mpg in the last 40 games of the season. Jett didn’t see any minutes.

Fultz and Ingles minutes would be replaced with TDS and Gary’s minutes now that KCP is starting.

I don’t expect the rest of these three players to average 12mpg in games apart from total blowouts or injuries.

Starters: Suggs/KCP/Franz/Paolo/Carter
Secondary: Cole/Gary/TDS/JI/Moritz
Deep bench: AB/Jett/Caleb/whoever/Goga

[Bensational]

We had 12 players play at least 50 games last season and average a minimum of 13.8mpg. 14 players played over 40 games. There will be minutes and touches for everyone in the regular season and Mosley will let the cream rise to the top for the playoffs and go with his strongest guys at that point.

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Jett, AB, and Houstan didn’t get a lot of minutes in the last 30 games of the season.

Caleb played 10 games with more than 12mpg in the last 40 games. AB played 18 games more than 12mpg in the last 40 games of the season. Jett didn’t see any minutes.

Fultz and Ingles minutes would be replaced with TDS and Gary’s minutes now that KCP is starting.

I don’t expect the rest of these three players to average 12mpg in games apart from total blowouts or injuries.

Starters: Suggs/KCP/Franz/Paolo/Carter
Secondary: Cole/Gary/TDS/JI/Moritz
Deep bench: AB/Jett/Caleb/whoever/Goga

Ingles played 68 games (17mpg), Isaac played 58 games (16mpg), Harris played 54 games (24mpg) and Fultz played 43 games (21mpg). AB played 69 games and averaged 17mpg. The point is that there is still likely to be plenty of opportunity for minutes to open up regardless of what the roster looks like in full depth on paper.

I’ll put money on it that all 3 of AB, Jett and TDS play over 50 games and average over 12mpg. AB I’ll put down for 18-20mpg. If they play well enough they’ll beat out Harris and Cole like Suggs did.

AB will be getting those Ingles’ minutes. The 2nd unit needs another playmaker/facilitator, he needs the reps, and TDS’ ego/emotional maturity is probably better prepared for being deep bench to begin with. But TDS’ offense is so wet he has a good chance to challenge Harris for minutes.

[fendilim]

Some of you believe Weltman will concede that the 2024 draft was botched months after selecting their 23 year old Forward.

19 and 20 year old players have more potential and won’t lose value quicker than a 23 year old Senior. This is why teams don’t draft them unless they already have a bunch of young players.

They would have retained Ingles and drafted upside if they didn’t believe he was capable of playing minutes this season.

Burying him on the bench defies logic. The only reason they would do that is if he is absolutely not an nba player whatsoever.

And-1

Black (and Howard) will get more minutes than da Silva. Heck: Houstan and Bitadze will get more minutes than da Silva.


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If Howard, Goga, and Houstan get more minutes than Tristan, then we drafted the wrong player.

Tds will get his minutes, he is basically the only sf left after franz. Houstan is ****.

[fendilim]

We had 12 players play at least 50 games last season and average a minimum of 13.8mpg. 14 players played over 40 games. There will be minutes and touches for everyone in the regular season and Mosley will let the cream rise to the top for the playoffs and go with his strongest guys at that point.

.

Jett, AB, and Houstan didn’t get a lot of minutes in the last 30 games of the season.

Caleb played 10 games with more than 12mpg in the last 40 games. AB played 18 games more than 12mpg in the last 40 games of the season. Jett didn’t see any minutes.

Fultz and Ingles minutes would be replaced with TDS and Gary’s minutes now that KCP is starting.

I don’t expect the rest of these three players to average 12mpg in games apart from total blowouts or injuries.

Starters: Suggs/KCP/Franz/Paolo/Carter
Secondary: Cole/Gary/TDS/JI/Moritz
Deep bench: AB/Jett/Caleb/whoever/Goga

Ingles played 68 games (17mpg), Isaac played 58 games (16mpg), Harris played 54 games (24mpg) and Fultz played 43 games (21mpg). AB played 69 games and averaged 17mpg. The point is that there is still likely to be plenty of opportunity for minutes to open up regardless of what the roster looks like in full depth on paper.

I’ll put money on it that all 3 of AB, Jett and TDS play over 50 games and average over 12mpg. AB I’ll put down for 18-20mpg. If they play well enough they’ll beat out Harris and Cole like Suggs did.

AB will be getting those Ingles’ minutes. The 2nd unit needs another playmaker/facilitator, he needs the reps, and TDS’ ego/emotional maturity is probably better prepared for being deep bench to begin with. But TDS’ offense is so wet he has a good chance to challenge Harris for minutes.

totally agree.

The lost of Ingles alone is a big hit to our team. Ingles is our leading assist man per 36mins. 2nd highest percentage in Assist% our of our rotational players (next to paolo), and top 5 points generated per assist, all that coming off the bench, playing with 2nd stringers too. If we think Harris can easily replace that? Think again. Black, as a rookie, played less than 100minutes, still averaged more apg, total assists and more PGA than Harris. Although a small difference, Black had a smaller role at offense than Harris, doing this as a rookie who wasnt even supposed to be playijg that early in the season.

There’s no way the lineup of Cole/Harris/Tds/jo/moe will survive without a secondary ball handler. Tds will get his minutes by default too, because he is the only able sf coming off the bench.

[fendilim]

Second unit to start the season if we are at full health.

Black
Cole
Harris
JI
Moe

Harris and Cole are the most likely to lose minutes.

Cole isnt likely, imo. If there’s one guy who fits comming off the bench, its Cole.

[drsd]

Tds will get his minutes, he is basically the only sf left after franz. Houstan is ****.

I know I keep beating this dead horse; but I really do believe Harris will log significant SF minutes.

And yes Houstan is not an NBA-calibre of player. His defense is unacceptable for him to have floor time accept in set-plays where a shooter is needed. 30-seconds to end a quarter, sort of thing.

[drsd]

The way tds plays and moves like franz, i think Tds gets automatic backup minutes of franz. And we wont really notice franz getting subbed. Lol

Please expand on how you think da Silva should get minutes over Black.

[drsd]

Da Silva has shown much better shooting than some more "potential talent" such as Black. I can easily see Da Silva playing 10-15 mpg right out of the gate. And he is easily big enough to play PF if needed. I see him as a combo forward. He can play either spot when one of Franz/Paolo are sitting.

One assumption here is that Black is a bad shooter. What if he isn't? I am super excited to see Black's form and release in preseason games.

[drsd]

When does the season start???

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[fendilim]

The way tds plays and moves like franz, i think Tds gets automatic backup minutes of franz. And we wont really notice franz getting subbed. Lol

Please expand on how you think da Silva should get minutes over Black.

1)He is the only real sf coming off the bench
2)Can shoot better than Black
3)Management likes positional size
4) We picked a player ready to contribute right away.
5)He is a better rebounder than Gary, and in fact may even be the best rebounder in the second unit. Lol

Why do you think Black gets minutes over tds?

I think he gets the minutes because Black will get Gary’s minutes.

[drsd]

1)He is the only real sf coming off the bench

I agree. But that is a failure on mamangment's roster construction more than anything else.

2)Can shoot better than Black

We don't know that, yet.

3)Management likes positional size

Agreed. Black at #6 was about him being 2 meters+ in height as much as any other stat.

4) We picked a player ready to contribute right away.

Are you arguing that Black can't contribute this year? The "right away" is irrelevant. It is more about "right now". And Black can contribute right now. We fans have no idea, at all, if da Silva can contribute at an NBA level.

5)He is a better rebounder than Gary, and in fact may even be the best rebounder in the second unit. Lol

False. That's Anthony on the wing. And Isaac overall. I would bet your house that both Anthony and Isaac will log better rebounding stats over da Silva. Overall and per36.

Why do you think Black gets minutes over tds?

Because Black projects to be a better NBA baller in 2024.25 than da Silva. It's not really debatable for me. Black has proven he can log a 1000+ minutes work load on the court. And da Silva is all hope (hype) without any evidence of capacity.

I accept we all hope da Silva has a rookie campaign that mirrors that of Courtney Lee. But before pre-season, we can't know. That's my point.

I think he gets the minutes because Black will get Gary’s minutes.

I can accept this notionally. I see Black getting more SF minutes than SG minutes. But that is an effective debatable point. Maybe Black can play some SG. That would be something.

[fendilim]

1)He is the only real sf coming off the bench

I agree. But that is a failure on mamangment's roster construction more than anything else.

2)Can shoot better than Black

We don't know that, yet.

3)Management likes positional size

Agreed. Black at #6 was about him being 2 meters+ in height as much as any other stat.

4) We picked a player ready to contribute right away.

Are you arguing that Black can't contribute this year? The "right away" is irrelevant. It is more about "right now". And Black can contribute right now. We fans have no idea, at all, if da Silva can contribute at an NBA level.

5)He is a better rebounder than Gary, and in fact may even be the best rebounder in the second unit. Lol

False. That's Anthony on the wing. And Isaac overall. I would bet your house that both Anthony and Isaac will log better rebounding stats over da Silva. Overall and per36.

Why do you think Black gets minutes over tds?

Because Black projects to be a better NBA baller in 2024.25 than da Silva. It's not really debatable for me. Black has proven he can log a 1000+ minutes work load on the court. And da Silva is all hope (hype) without any evidence of capacity.

I accept we all hope da Silva has a rookie campaign that mirrors that of Courtney Lee. But before pre-season, we can't know. That's my point.

I think he gets the minutes because Black will get Gary’s minutes.

I can accept this notionally. I see Black getting more SF minutes than SG minutes. But that is an effective debatable point. Maybe Black can play some SG. That would be something.

1) exactly why tds will end up playing the 3.
2) we’ll see
3) black doesn’t have positional size advantage at the 3, tds has. I don’t see why you think they’d overlap.
4) black can contribute, as i have stated previously, the guy can contribute more than Gary Harris.
5) we’ll see

Black is a better than tds. But they wont play the same position, so it really doesn’t matter. Lol. Its gary harris who will be affected by black’s minutes.

Black will get Fultz minutes.
Tds will get ingles minutes.

I dont see why you think Black will get tds minutes. Lol

[drsd]

Black will get Fultz minutes.
Tds will get ingles minutes.

For perspective, last season, Fultz logged 21.2 mpg and Ingles 17.2mpg

Black was at 16.9 mpg, and that number is very likely to go up, Especially if it is Black replacing Fultz in the rotation.

I dont see why you think Black will get tds minutes. Lol

I don't think Black will get da Silva's minutes. I think Harris does. And that Black and Anthony will play a lot of combo-ball guard minutes.

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(They aren't "tds minutes" until da Silva has logged game time, anyhow)

[drsd]

Here's a question stat:

The last time the Magic had a player log 3000 minutes played in a season was 2007-08. And that year, there were three Magicians that did so.

Name all three:

It wasn't Bo Outlaw, who logged 7 minutes the whole season.

[Skybox]

I honestly expect da Silva to be in the rotation and, quite possibly on an All-Rookie (2nd?) team as a contributor like Jaime Jacquez was…I also expect other draftees to surpass him over the years as he is a mature 23 yo with clearly developed skills that are NBA-ready.

It wouldn’t shock me if a healthy Cory Joseph is the first guard off the bench…I hope Black & Harris show up & blow up…but Joseph is a very good player and I think Cole will also have a clear lane to grab that role and just might.

I would be shocked if Cory makes the rotation.

I would be disappointed I’m our young guys…but not shocked