Mitch not expected to be ready until December/January per Begley…

rajajackal · Post #21 » by **rajajackal** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:08 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Time for thibs to unleash this beast

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need this vs the celtics...

3toheadmelo · Post #22 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:18 pm

Im ready

Knicksfan1992 · Post #23 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:18 pm

Small sample size but in lineups where Brunson/Randle/Achiuwa shared the floor the Knicks were +17.4.
Randle/Achiuwa was +1.3
Brunson/Achiuwa was +9.1

Basically we're going to be fine in the regular season if Mitch is out... I actually am rather relieved at the news that they are taking it slow with Mitch. It shows a prioritization of the long-term success over short term IMO. I think people on here tend to focus on the negatives because we're such a jaded fanbase but the depth this team has built was made exactly for this scenario. Nobody can replace what Brunson and, to some extent, Randle give you but everyone else has an ability to be replicated and replaced. You can't ask for anything more than that. Get to the postseason with your guys healthy and battle. That's gotta be the mindset for this iteration of the Knicks.

There will be matchups where starting Precious and Randle together will be a negative but, it's just one of those things you have to deal and have patience with.

I think the real question here is can Mitch be trusted long term and what avenues will the Knicks brass look to possibly upgrading at C to a more reliable option?

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #24 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:22 pm

Spaz was pretty solid in summer league. Guess it could be his time to shine?

Wonder if mitch had some sort of setback? This has to be the front offices way of admitting that. He was basically back after 4 months after the first surgery and now he might need double that time? Maybe it’s cuz it’s the 2nd surgery in less than a year? They should call up Javale McGee or Dwight Howard to eat some innings for them.

R-DAWG · Post #25 » by **R-DAWG** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:24 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:Small sample size but in lineups where Brunson/Randle/Achiuwa shared the floor the Knicks were +17.4.
Randle/Achiuwa was +1.3
Brunson/Achiuwa was +9.1

Basically we're going to be fine in the regular season if Mitch is out... I actually am rather relieved at the news that they are taking it slow with Mitch. It shows a prioritization of the long-term success over short term IMO. I think people on here tend to focus on the negatives because we're such a jaded fanbase but the depth this team has built was made exactly for this scenario. Nobody can replace what Brunson and, to some extent, Randle give you but everyone else has an ability to be replicated and replaced. You can't ask for anything more than that. Get to the postseason with your guys healthy and battle. That's gotta be the mindset for this iteration of the Knicks.

There will be matchups where starting Precious and Randle together will be a negative but, it's just one of those things you have to deal and have patience with.

I think the real question here is can Mitch be trusted long term and what avenues will the Knicks brass look to possibly upgrading at C to a more reliable option?

I think it's safe to say that Mitch can't be trusted long term with his health and the organization would love to upgrade to a more reliable option. Problem is, there are limited ways to do so. This is the ancillary cost of going all in for Mikal Bridges, or any player for that matter - it becomes very hard to improve the roster going forward.

Right now, the Knicks have very little of value to offer around the league. Some combination of Miles McBride, Dadiet, the DET protected 1st and the WAS protected first have not been able to bring back a C.

DaGawd · Post #26 » by **DaGawd** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:30 pm

i honestly feel like sims might surprise us and be more than adequate

3toheadmelo · Post #27 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:31 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Did the team know this ahead of time? This is bad.

It could be. Or, if they have something in the works behind Door #3 like the OG trade last year, it could be mitigated. I can't imagine they don't know C depth is an issue.

Yeah I'm thinking that a trade is in order. Leon can't be comfortable with just Precious and Sims at C.

Begley was saying a while ago we were in talks with Atlanta for Capela and Marc Stein said we auditioned Omer Yurtserven for a workout but decided against signing him. Think the Knicks are going for cheap options and don't want to panic yet.

Begley said today the Knicks are confident in our roster until Mitch gets healthy too. I honestly feel like they're really high on Sims. I don't think they ever shopped him ever or was in trade rumors.

Knicksman780 · Post #28 » by **Knicksman780** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:33 pm

Sims MIP season loading..........

3toheadmelo · Post #29 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:34 pm

DaGawd wrote:i honestly feel like sims might surprise us and be more than adequate

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Stannis · Post #30 » by **Stannis** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:36 pm

Just save him for the playoffs at that point.

Resign Taj.

Richard4444 · Post #31 » by **Richard4444** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:41 pm

ctorres wrote: Sims gotta give the team 16-24 minutes a night and if he can't, what's the point of having him on the team?

We have his birds' rights. So we can extend him for an inflated 5M+/y contract next year and use his salary as a filler in a trade next offseason. We may get an ok role player giving away some pick (most likely seconds) and Sims as a filler.

Assuming we keep Randle, we are going to be an above first apron team for sure. So we can not take more salary than we give in a trade and can not use the full MLE. Our options would be very limited.

Besides, it is very possible, we will be an above second apron team. Then we would not be able to use the also Tax MLE or attach multiple players in a trade.

Knicksfan1992 · Post #32 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:43 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:Small sample size but in lineups where Brunson/Randle/Achiuwa shared the floor the Knicks were +17.4.
Randle/Achiuwa was +1.3
Brunson/Achiuwa was +9.1

Basically we're going to be fine in the regular season if Mitch is out... I actually am rather relieved at the news that they are taking it slow with Mitch. It shows a prioritization of the long-term success over short term IMO. I think people on here tend to focus on the negatives because we're such a jaded fanbase but the depth this team has built was made exactly for this scenario. Nobody can replace what Brunson and, to some extent, Randle give you but everyone else has an ability to be replicated and replaced. You can't ask for anything more than that. Get to the postseason with your guys healthy and battle. That's gotta be the mindset for this iteration of the Knicks.

There will be matchups where starting Precious and Randle together will be a negative but, it's just one of those things you have to deal and have patience with.

I think the real question here is can Mitch be trusted long term and what avenues will the Knicks brass look to possibly upgrading at C to a more reliable option?

I think it's safe to say that Mitch can't be trusted long term with his health and the organization would love to upgrade to a more reliable option. Problem is, there are limited ways to do so. This is the ancillary cost of going all in for Mikal Bridges, or any player for that matter - it becomes very hard to improve the roster going forward.

Right now, the Knicks have very little of value to offer around the league. Some combination of Miles McBride, Dadiet, the DET protected 1st and the WAS protected first have not been able to bring back a C.

The way i'm choosing to view it is:

Would you rather have Mikal Bridges and be thin at C?

or

Would you rather have some league average starting C and all of our picks still without Mikal?

I think option A is still a better option for this iteration of the Knicks. Mikal/OG/Hart/Deuce gives you a relatively solid floor defensively IMO even if we may lack reliable size on the front line.

I just think, generally, people are underestimating how good our top 10 as a whole is compared to the rest of the league. We're just going to overwhelm some teams with 48 minutes of good rotation level guys at most of the positions on the floor. DDV was oen of the best shooters in the league last year. He would start on most teams that aren't finals contenders. He MAYBE gets 20-25 minutes a night on this team. Deuce who we all raved about as a great backup is going to have to fight for minutes just to get in the rotation.

Imagine you're an opposing shot creating wing and for 48 minutes all you see is one of OG/Mikal/Hart. Hell even Mook and Donte can give wings fits defensively. Like yes, C is a problem but it's a problem amongst like 99 other great things about this roster :lol:

Galvationknicks · Post #33 » by **Galvationknicks** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:45 pm

Couldn't ihart get an even bigger bag if he waited to sign with us at the end of this season we would've had his bird rights by then I believe. Could've gave him the full starting job and traded mitch

Post #34 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:47 pm

this is sort of ridiculous...the front office better have plans for this.

Precious and Sims isn't going to cut it.

Post #35 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:49 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
It could be. Or, if they have something in the works behind Door #3 like the OG trade last year, it could be mitigated. I can't imagine they don't know C depth is an issue.

Yeah I'm thinking that a trade is in order. Leon can't be comfortable with just Precious and Sims at C.

Begley was saying a while ago we were in talks with Atlanta for Capela and Marc Stein said we auditioned Omer Yurtserven for a workout but decided against signing him. Think the Knicks are going for cheap options and don't want to panic yet.

Begley said today the Knicks are confident in our roster until Mitch gets healthy too. I honestly feel like they're really high on Sims. I don't think they ever shopped him ever or was in trade rumors.

We definitely have acceptable stopgaps.

The FO earned a lot of trust with me when they made the OG/Precious trade. They were acutely aware of our issues and addressed them in one fell swoop. They didn't commit substantial resources to half measures in either case so far. Things that solve half the problem but open new issues. I feel like Randle and Mitch for KAT would be that, for example. Where's the rim protection now?

HarthorneWingo · Post #36 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:50 pm

I was just saying to myself yesterday that this team will be something special if they can just stay healthy.

I guess we’re getting tested early this season. Just don’t make any desperate trades.

mademan · Post #37 » by **mademan** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:50 pm

Galvationknicks wrote:Couldn't ihart get an even bigger bag if he waited to sign with us at the end of this season we would've had his bird rights by then I believe. Could've gave him the full starting job and traded mitch

Maybe more money if he replicates his play and doesnt get hurt. Or, he can parlay 1 good season as a partial starter at C and take the ridiculous overpay of 30mil/year OKC gave him

Not a difficult choice for IH at all

Post #38 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:53 pm

Galvationknicks wrote:Couldn't ihart get an even bigger bag if he waited to sign with us at the end of this season we would've had his bird rights by then I believe. Could've gave him the full starting job and traded mitch

I'm fairly certain you can't tack another year onto an early bird deal to gain birds. It's only successive 1-year deals.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #39 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 6:01 pm

Even when sham wins he loses, he's a plague, pandemic and curse rolled into one. Surprised Mitch is even alive at this point.

JRoy · Post #40 » by **JRoy** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 6:01 pm

Capn'O wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:Nobody was getting it when I kept saying we need a center because Mitch is going to miss a million games.

I dunno man...I feel like a lot of people got it.

Definitely. We were scouring the globe for centers.

Godspeed Precious.

Could I interest NYK in one or more of PORs 4 centers?