OT: Clinton or Bush?

[MrDollarBills]

A vote for Trump is a vote for the complete genocide of the Palestinian people. I wish the single issue voters would wake up and realize that this problem isn't an easily solved black and white issue. It's a complicated geopolitical problem dating back decades and Biden is screwed either way.

First, you gotta just understand there are always gonna be a few people who are just batsh*t. Like, there were actually Jewish Nazis. It didn't work out for them, obviously they were the first to be put in the camps because duh, but still. A certain percentage of the population is just allergic to facts

So while I don't get voting for Trump in this regard, I do understand not voting. As I have said, it's like the trolley problem. If you do nothing, lots more people die, but if you do something, you have directly contributed to the deaths of several people, just fewer than would have died had you done nothing. And it gets murkier still when it's your friends and family in the crossfire. A lot of people can't and really shouldn't just reduce it to simple mathematics

I have the privilege to be removed from the situation, so it's easier for me to do harm reduction, but I understand someone who's unable to choose a lesser evil when it's them who are f*cked either way.

I am with everyone who is pissed off at both the Israeli Government and our government for not drawing hard red lines in the sand. They put more restrictions on the Ukrainians ffs than Israel, at least from what I can tell. So I totally get it.

But, if a US voter feels strongly about the attrocities committed against the Palestinian people, and there are many including myself, I would think to ensure that Bibi doesn't get what he wants (Trump and the green light) is at least one way we can help. Because the alternative is going to be really bad.

Note: I do not discount the feelings of Israeli/Jewish folks over what Hamas did a year ago. If I had my say the IDF and Hamas need to lock themselves somewhere and slaughter each other, and leave the civilians especially kids and women out of it, but that's not how it works unfortunately.

The entire situation is disgusting and I honestly hate discussing it because I have zero good ideas or solutions. I feel like that situation is hopeless.

[MrDollarBills]

You gotta realize that Netanyahu is doing this cynically to help Trump win. He knows under Harris he won’t get the same leeway that he will have with Trump.

Voting against Harris is not only voting against your own interests but a lot of people’s interests in the world.

Still doesn't make any sense. Why send money, arms, and troops to a guy who wants to get Trump elected then?

Especially if we are saying he's trying to cause ruckus to help Trump's re-election.

Seems like the obvious thing to do is not give him the reassurance of USA's backing + resources so he stops. Otherwise, he's going to continue to "help Trump get elected" with what the USA is giving him.

I don't think it's that simple. I wish it was because I absolutely hate Bibi and the rest of those psychos in the Israeli Government and IDF, but cutting off a major strategic US ally in that area probably has consequences that aren't ideal.

I do blame Biden however for not laying down concrete stipulations for aid that are strongly tied to humanitarian efforts/protecting civilians. Aid shouldn't be blind or unconditional, especially when children are being murdered. All this nonsense people like John Fetterman have been saying, that the aid to Israel should be unconditional, is absolutely bonkers.

[Guano]

Just try to accept that half of all Americans like some racism and authoritarianism and you'll be ok.

Generous numbers Buzz. You getting soft in your golden years?

[Capn'O]

A vote for Trump is a vote for the complete genocide of the Palestinian people. I wish the single issue voters would wake up and realize that this problem isn't an easily solved black and white issue. It's a complicated geopolitical problem dating back decades and Biden is screwed either way.

First, you gotta just understand there are always gonna be a few people who are just batsh*t. Like, there were actually Jewish Nazis. It didn't work out for them, obviously they were the first to be put in the camps because duh, but still. A certain percentage of the population is just allergic to facts

So while I don't get voting for Trump in this regard, I do understand not voting. As I have said, it's like the trolley problem. If you do nothing, lots more people die, but if you do something, you have directly contributed to the deaths of several people, just fewer than would have died had you done nothing. And it gets murkier still when it's your friends and family in the crossfire. A lot of people can't and really shouldn't just reduce it to simple mathematics

I have the privilege to be removed from the situation, so it's easier for me to do harm reduction, but I understand someone who's unable to choose a lesser evil when it's them who are f*cked either way.

I am with everyone who is pissed off at both the Israeli Government and our government for not drawing hard red lines in the sand. They put more restrictions on the Ukrainians ffs than Israel, at least from what I can tell. So I totally get it.

But, if a US voter feels strongly about the attrocities committed against the Palestinian people, and there are many including myself, I would think to ensure that Bibi doesn't get what he wants (Trump and the green light) is at least one way we can help. Because the alternative is going to be really bad.

Note: I do not discount the feelings of Israeli/Jewish folks over what Hamas did a year ago. If I had my say the IDF and Hamas need to lock themselves somewhere and slaughter each other, and leave the civilians especially kids and women out of it, but that's not how it works unfortunately.

The entire situation is disgusting and I honestly hate discussing it because I have zero good ideas or solutions. I feel like that situation is hopeless.

It's so sick that ordinary people are bearing the brunt of these psychopaths who are only in it for their own political survival. I look at my kids every day and am grateful to live somewhere where this kind of cynicism won't directly impact them. And ache for those who have no choice and have lost everything due to it.

[Clyde_Style]

Anyone else not surprised this guy reads libsoftiktok?

It is well known as a vehicle for inciting stochastic terrorism.

[MrDollarBills]

First, you gotta just understand there are always gonna be a few people who are just batsh*t. Like, there were actually Jewish Nazis. It didn't work out for them, obviously they were the first to be put in the camps because duh, but still. A certain percentage of the population is just allergic to facts

So while I don't get voting for Trump in this regard, I do understand not voting. As I have said, it's like the trolley problem. If you do nothing, lots more people die, but if you do something, you have directly contributed to the deaths of several people, just fewer than would have died had you done nothing. And it gets murkier still when it's your friends and family in the crossfire. A lot of people can't and really shouldn't just reduce it to simple mathematics

I have the privilege to be removed from the situation, so it's easier for me to do harm reduction, but I understand someone who's unable to choose a lesser evil when it's them who are f*cked either way.

I am with everyone who is pissed off at both the Israeli Government and our government for not drawing hard red lines in the sand. They put more restrictions on the Ukrainians ffs than Israel, at least from what I can tell. So I totally get it.

But, if a US voter feels strongly about the attrocities committed against the Palestinian people, and there are many including myself, I would think to ensure that Bibi doesn't get what he wants (Trump and the green light) is at least one way we can help. Because the alternative is going to be really bad.

Note: I do not discount the feelings of Israeli/Jewish folks over what Hamas did a year ago. If I had my say the IDF and Hamas need to lock themselves somewhere and slaughter each other, and leave the civilians especially kids and women out of it, but that's not how it works unfortunately.

The entire situation is disgusting and I honestly hate discussing it because I have zero good ideas or solutions. I feel like that situation is hopeless.

It's so sick that ordinary people are bearing the brunt of these psychopaths who are only in it for their own political survival. I look at my kids every day and am grateful to live somewhere where this kind of cynicism won't directly impact them. And ache for those who have no choice and have lost everything due to it.

Both Bibi/Likud and Hamas leadership live high off the hog while people die for their own selfish ambitions. They all need to be dealt with tbh.

[MrDollarBills]

Anyone else not surprised this guy reads libsoftiktok?

It is well known as a vehicle for inciting stochastic terrorism.

She needs to be thrown in prison, head first. Free speech shouldn't cover inciting terrorism.

It won't shock me if she's being funded to do this by a foreign entity. You know who.

[Clyde_Style]

Anyone else not surprised this guy reads libsoftiktok?

It is well known as a vehicle for inciting stochastic terrorism.

She needs to be thrown in prison, head first. Free speech shouldn't cover inciting terrorism.

It won't shock me if she's being funded to do this by a foreign entity. You know who.

Yes. Highly probable. Those nobodies that were recently outed were getting upwards of $100K PER VIDEO.

All funded by the Kremlin.

The Alt Right has been feeding at the trough of Putin's slush funds for a decade now. One of the original tranches of funds were funneled through the NRA to SuperPACs. The NRA was busted and caught red-handed, but maybe 1% of Americans know this because they only get their news from social media or uncritical media sources. The number for the NRA was potentially hundreds of millions. In total, it has been billions. This is a drop in the hat for Putin who is supposed to have the most assets stashed away in the world. He's certainly richer than Musk.

They got paid to indoctrinate Trump's brain dead followers into opposing aid for Ukraine like well-trained pets.

[Capn'O]

I am with everyone who is pissed off at both the Israeli Government and our government for not drawing hard red lines in the sand. They put more restrictions on the Ukrainians ffs than Israel, at least from what I can tell. So I totally get it.

But, if a US voter feels strongly about the attrocities committed against the Palestinian people, and there are many including myself, I would think to ensure that Bibi doesn't get what he wants (Trump and the green light) is at least one way we can help. Because the alternative is going to be really bad.

Note: I do not discount the feelings of Israeli/Jewish folks over what Hamas did a year ago. If I had my say the IDF and Hamas need to lock themselves somewhere and slaughter each other, and leave the civilians especially kids and women out of it, but that's not how it works unfortunately.

The entire situation is disgusting and I honestly hate discussing it because I have zero good ideas or solutions. I feel like that situation is hopeless.

It's so sick that ordinary people are bearing the brunt of these psychopaths who are only in it for their own political survival. I look at my kids every day and am grateful to live somewhere where this kind of cynicism won't directly impact them. And ache for those who have no choice and have lost everything due to it.

Both Bibi/Likud and Hamas leadership live high off the hog while people die for their own selfish ambitions. They all need to be dealt with tbh.

I'd love to see it. Maybe then people like them would take war crimes seriously.

[St Knick]

Anyone else not surprised this guy reads libsoftiktok?

It is well known as a vehicle for inciting stochastic terrorism.

Well known in your far-left bubble maybe.
Looks like she just reposts stuff far-left extremists voluntary put on social media.
I know it must be uncomfortable that you're on the same side as the people she reposts on her twitter account.
It's ok, at least you have the Knicks

[Rich Rane]

Anyone else not surprised this guy reads libsoftiktok?

It is well known as a vehicle for inciting stochastic terrorism.

Well known in your far-left bubble maybe.
Looks like she just reposts stuff far-left extremists voluntary put on social media.
I know it must be uncomfortable that you're on the same side as the people she reposts on her twitter account.
It's ok, at least you have the Knicks

Two children's hospitals had bomb threats called in after that account said they were doing gender-affirming hysterectomies on children.
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/26/1119634878/childrens-hospitals-are-the-latest-target-of-anti-lgbtq-harassment

At least 21 bomb threats followed that account posting.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/libs-tiktok-posted-least-21-160006869.html

[Clyde_Style]

Anyone else not surprised this guy reads libsoftiktok?

It is well known as a vehicle for inciting stochastic terrorism.

Well known in your far-left bubble maybe.
Looks like she just reposts stuff far-left extremists voluntary put on social media.
I know it must be uncomfortable that you're on the same side as the people she reposts on her twitter account.
It's ok, at least you have the Knicks

It is pretty obvious you don't understand what we're talking about

[thebuzzardman]

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Interesting news.
The son was just interviewed, defending his father.
Coincidence?
Some speculate "XYZ Gov't agency of your choice" knew of this and used it as blackmail to motivate shooter?
Or simply planted evidence (framing son) after the fact?

I don't pretend to know the answer, but sharing as it's on topic for this thread (which has devolved into "trump is a traitor racist xyz" circle jerk)

Must be the Jewish Deep State that is backing them. Sorry, I meant global cabal.

[MrDollarBills]

Anyone else not surprised this guy reads libsoftiktok?

It is well known as a vehicle for inciting stochastic terrorism.

Well known in your far-left bubble maybe.
Looks like she just reposts stuff far-left extremists voluntary put on social media.
I know it must be uncomfortable that you're on the same side as the people she reposts on her twitter account.
It's ok, at least you have the Knicks

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok

Some Libs of TikTok posts have resulted in harassment against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBT venues,[12][26][27][28] and educational facilities, several of which received bomb threats after being featured on a post.[29][30] Libs of TikTok posts regularly slur LGBT people, as well as those who provide mental-health services to LGBT youth and LGBT sex education to students, as "groomers".[c] Its followers "routinely attack individuals whose content is shared",[22] and several dozen incidents of online or real-life threats and harassment against a range of targets, including 21 bomb threats, have been linked to Libs of TikTok's tweets, especially those where Raichik singles out specific events, locations or people.[33][34][30]

Do you honestly support this? Bomb threats and harassment? This is literally terrorism.

Answer honestly. How far are you willing to take this stuff?

[Pointgod]

It is well known as a vehicle for inciting stochastic terrorism.

Well known in your far-left bubble maybe.
Looks like she just reposts stuff far-left extremists voluntary put on social media.
I know it must be uncomfortable that you're on the same side as the people she reposts on her twitter account.
It's ok, at least you have the Knicks

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok

Some Libs of TikTok posts have resulted in harassment against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBT venues,[12][26][27][28] and educational facilities, several of which received bomb threats after being featured on a post.[29][30] Libs of TikTok posts regularly slur LGBT people, as well as those who provide mental-health services to LGBT youth and LGBT sex education to students, as "groomers".[c] Its followers "routinely attack individuals whose content is shared",[22] and several dozen incidents of online or real-life threats and harassment against a range of targets, including 21 bomb threats, have been linked to Libs of TikTok's tweets, especially those where Raichik singles out specific events, locations or people.[33][34][30]

Do you honestly support this? Bomb threats and harassment? This is literally terrorism.

Answer honestly. How far are you willing to take this stuff?

Of course he supports it but he’ll never admit it. As long as the people he hates are the ones getting the bomb threats. But remember we have to be nice to Republicans because some deranged Republican tried to kill Trump….

[Clyde_Style]

Trump doxxed the Obamas when he published the address of their residence on social media

Soon after a man in a van loaded with weapons parked close to the house was apprehended

Trump is a murderous coward who eggs on his followers to do his dirty work for him.

[Clyde_Style]

Must be the Jewish Deep State that is backing them. Sorry, I meant global cabal.

Should we invite Pointgod, Dollar Bill and Cap to audition for our band Deep Jew or should we stick to just guitar and bass?

I'm thinking our new song Seven Man Rotation could be on the level of The White Stripes' Seven Man Army

[DOT]

Well known in your far-left bubble maybe.
Looks like she just reposts stuff far-left extremists voluntary put on social media.
I know it must be uncomfortable that you're on the same side as the people she reposts on her twitter account.
It's ok, at least you have the Knicks

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok

Some Libs of TikTok posts have resulted in harassment against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBT venues,[12][26][27][28] and educational facilities, several of which received bomb threats after being featured on a post.[29][30] Libs of TikTok posts regularly slur LGBT people, as well as those who provide mental-health services to LGBT youth and LGBT sex education to students, as "groomers".[c] Its followers "routinely attack individuals whose content is shared",[22] and several dozen incidents of online or real-life threats and harassment against a range of targets, including 21 bomb threats, have been linked to Libs of TikTok's tweets, especially those where Raichik singles out specific events, locations or people.[33][34][30]

Do you honestly support this? Bomb threats and harassment? This is literally terrorism.

Answer honestly. How far are you willing to take this stuff?

Of course he supports it but he’ll never admit it. As long as the people he hates are the ones getting the bomb threats. But remember we have to be nice to Republicans because some deranged Republican tried to kill Trump….

lol dude in this thread literally said "right wing extremism DOESN'T exist, it's ALL LEFT WING" and then in response to me posting several instances of right wing extremism, including a report from the freakin' FBI concluding that right wing terrorism is the most common form of terrorism in the US, he immediately switched to "WHATABOUT BLM AND ANTIFA BURNING DOWN CITIES1!!!!11!!!ONE!!"

They're just programmed to repeat the same lines over and over and over. It's just them bouncing between that and "I'M A FREE THINKER, YOU'RE ALL BOTS!!!!" which is again, super ironic given they just repeat whatever right wing talking points they heard on Fox News or Joe Rogan.

[St Knick]

No point in arguing here guys.
Back to the topic of this thread (yo know, trump assassination), i brought attention to ABC newstory (reposted by LibsofTikTok) that the Ryan Routh's son was arrested for pornographic material.
Instead, convo gets further derailed about LibsOfTikTok "platform" instead of the post I was trying to bring attention to (the actual newstory about shooter's son child porn stuff).

This "convo" is a fools errand. There is clearly a liberal bias with most of the posters here, and (most of) you all believe your view point is the right one, and I believe mine is more in line with reality. I don't have enough time, will power or magic to change your minds and sadly, this always devolves into righteous virtue signaling and tribal warfare.

Taking a break from this thread as it adds nothing but angst and some fleeting but hollow dopamine hits to my day.
Hope ya'll do the same instead of feeding your incessant hate for Trump and all things conservative.
Go Vote for whomever you wantin November, and perhaps we can find common ground (before but certainly after), starting with the obvious...

Go Knicks!

[Rich Rane]

No point in arguing here guys.
Back to the topic of this thread (yo know, trump assassination), i brought attention to ABC newstory (reposted by LibsofTikTok) that the Ryan Routh's son was arrested for pornographic material.
Instead, convo gets further derailed about LibsOfTikTok "platform" instead of the post I was trying to bring attention to (the actual newstory about shooter's son child porn stuff).

This "convo" is a fools errand. There is clearly a liberal bias with most of the posters here, and (most of) you all believe your view point is the right one, and I believe mine is more in line with reality. I don't have enough time, will power or magic to change your minds and sadly, this always devolves into righteous virtue signaling and tribal warfare.

Taking a break from this thread as it adds nothing but angst and some fleeting but hollow dopamine hits to my day.
Hope ya'll do the same instead of feeding your incessant hate for Trump and all things conservative.
Go Vote for whomever you wantin November, and perhaps we can find common ground (before but certainly after), starting with the obvious...

Go Knicks!

You made a presumption of a news story with a source that has incited terrorism and you wanna run now? Your judgment has every right to be questioned. This isn't even a liberal vs conservative thing or even a political thing. You wanna find common ground? At least tell us you don't support bomb threats or inciting bomb threats to hospitals. If you can't even give that much without any caveats, your fellow Knicks fans here deserve to ridicule your opinions every chance they get.